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1L vs 4L/1F vs 4F

I believe I am 3V and 2E (I believe that I have high emotions and I think I am more on a proccess side than result), but I have troubles with finding my 4th placement. I just seem to not have one..

Physics is for me some sort of comfort placement. I relax through eating, tasting new things, listening to music, sleeping, just taking care of myself physically..

But Logic is something that I have strong opinions in. I tend to discuss a lot on topics that I have knowledge in and I often find myself in a role of mentor or advisor. I am just pretty confident with my views, opinions and sharing them. I tend to be really embarrassed when I make mistakes tho.

In stress I tend to react mostly physically (like by the ways I described before) or through analysing my own emotions, where did they come from and how does it match with my past.

I really want to look nice cause I believe pretty privilege is an existing thing and I would really want to experience it.. but at the same time I don't put much energy into looking good. I prefer to eat tasty things than keeping my weight, even though later I think a lot about looking ugly.

I'm really attached to items that I have, especially my childhood plushies. I NEVER sold or gifted anyone even ONE of them. They are like my family.

I tend to spend lots of money on silly things, cause I never had such chance in my childhood and early teenage years.

I'm not sure If my logical side isn't some image that I put on and that I got so used to that I just became so strongly logical. I am really reflective, make in mind connections easily and I always try to make decisions the most objectively I could (but when it comes to cases with only me or some silly things, I tend to act impulsively)

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u/angelvsqm — 1 day ago

Hating arrogant people: 3L or 3V?

So I have a friend who’s got this thing with arrogant people where they just rub her the wrong way. Which sounds REALLY 3L in itself, except there is this “you think you’re better than me?” component to it that makes me think 3V. I know she’s low LV - probably FExx. Little bit of insecurity in the physics department (ED), but the 2E just hits you like a truck.

Curious what you guys would type it as.

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u/Content-Sympathy6305 — 2 days ago

Type me for psychosophy

Hi there! I am quite new to psychosophy, since I was more occupied with attitudinal psyche, but I wanted to give this a try and learn more about it! Here's a questionnaire to type me! Some basic info: 24 year old male who is about to enter graduate school for psychology.

LOGIC:
Do you find that truth and understanding of systems in life are an important aspect that should be highly valued? How do you usually go about learning and forming an understanding of a concept?

Yes in a way. I don't feel driven or like it's my mission to find the truth for myself or for the world to know, but I do put a lot of effort at times to figuring out how things work ever since I was young. A word that has revolved around me that annoyed even adults was "why?". If a topic interested me enough, I would always ask questions about every angle and aspect I can think of about it without worrying if it sounded stupid. A lot of people do tell me that they do and that there is no point, but it rarely bothered me unless the situation got too dramatic or I was badly shamed out of it. The main way I went about understanding concepts or ideas was just talking and discussing about it with everyone, including the experts and even my parents about it, even if they had no clue about it at times. Other times, I would just dive in deep into it myself, reading about wikipedias, books, forum posts, etc. essentially surrounding my life around it for periods of times.

How easily do you find yourself changing opinions or viewpoints? What sorts of things can influence your views the most/least?

Easily to be honest. I will admit I get easily persuaded in my opinions and viewpoints with basic reasoning, but eventually try to center my opinions and viewpoints in a coherent, but flawed way of looking at it overall by making sense of it and discerning it myself.

Are you more likely to assume that you're right or wrong about an issue? Is it important for you to always be right?
How easy is it for you to admit it when you're wrong?

More likely to assume that I'm right, but it depends on my mood or the topic at heart. When I talk about something that I care about a lot or I feel like I'm in the mood to want to be right, even if I'm not sure, I do nearly everything I can to be right about it. It's not that easy a lot of times to admit that I'm wrong, but I know that it's important sometimes to just admit it to adapt to it and move on.

How do you react when someone disagrees with you during a logical debate? How do you go about defending your beliefs, it at all? Do these types of situations make you doubt your views easily?

I react with a bit of fear in me that I tend to hide within myself, but I oftentimes allow the person to explain. I go about defending my beliefs by first observing if there are any flaws in their reasoning and questioning how they arrived to such conclusions from their reasoning. I then also talk about how experience, both personal and other anecdotal, supports these reasonings These types of situations do make me doubt my views pretty easily, because I've been wrong and felt helpless in a lot of situations like this before.

How do you feel about debating logical chains and evidence? (Can discussions and debates help you sort your thoughts out, or are you more likely to see them as unnecessary? Do you find debates more stressful or fun?)

I find debates most of the time very fun to engage in as long as they are about topics I find interesting about and with the right people. Getting to hear what someone has to say and feeding that with thoughtful and insightful dialogue without necessarily trying to prove who is more right is how I prefer to have debates and discussions. I'm driven by curiosity and wanting to always find something interesting and new to talk about with others or by myself, while slightly preferring the former.

Do you feel the need to explain your own logical understanding to others? Do you feel the need to have others explain their understandings to you?

Absolutely! The more the merrier, to be honest. I like explaining every small detail of how I arrive at my understanding and conclusions, while wanting to ask for feedback and questions for what I presented. I also feel a strong need to ask for explanation, because deep inside me, I didn’t like ambiguity and lack of understanding behind people’s words.

VOLITION:

Do you consider yourself to be a naturally motivated person? What helps motivate you? Do you need others to motivate you and/or provide incentives for you to work? 

Not really to be honest. Early on in my life, I kind of felt like I was drifting in life, which I didn’t like the feeling of. I slowly started picking up steam to make myself independent (trying exercise or meditation to clear my mind and learning to navigate my career choices in a trial and error way even if it was messy). Music, hopeful vision of my efforts, & positive feedback strongly motivate me, although I can sense that there is a lack of internal drive in me at times.

Are you someone who has a clear sense of direction and purpose? Is this something that matters to you? What do you gain a sense of meaning from?

I try a lot to show to both myself and other people that I have my life all planned out, but I know deep down, I don’t truly know whether a certain path is the right path for me. I constantly get doubts if I am the right person for this or if I will be fulfilled going forward with this, while overlooking other paths in my life. It does matter to me, as I want to be fulfilled in myself and make something significant I want to be proud of in the future, even if it seems unclear where to start for that.

How is your relationship with goals? Do you often share them with others (or help others with their goals)? Are you self-assured in what you set out to do, or are you more indecisive and/or easily persuaded by what others around you want?

I have a good relationship with my goals. The only problem is I often become overambitious and set my goals too high without taking factor of my own limits. Eventually, I do achieve a good amount of my goals, but not always in the most efficient way. I often share my goals, wanting to prove that I have my life in order (as mentioned in previous answer about showing to others about my life planned out). Alongside with that, I have no problem helping and even at times motivating others to strive towards their goals. Overall, I have no problems with short term goals to an extent, but feel more indecisive with my long term visions and goals, although I, in a sense, only try to figure these out myself (possibly due to it feeling like a waste of time to hear others’ advice on this as they don’t feel enough).

Are you bothered by failures and setbacks? How do you deal with them when they come up? 

I only start to get seriously bothered by failures and setbacks if they keep happening consistently and to goals that I personally care a lot about. Sometimes, the initial failures /setbacks can get me wondering worst case scenario “what ifs”, but I still manage to adapt and tell myself I will be fine. When these failures and setbacks happen, I overthink a lot about my mistakes and how I got there. It can really drag on, causing me to be unable to rest or socialize until I solve this dilemma.

Are you someone who easily competes for things you truly desire? How do you feel about others telling you what to do, or trying to insert their desires into yours?

Yes. I take pride in certain things I care about and can get upset if the status or the things are taken away from me, although I try to tell myself to focus on what I can control. I sometimes compare myself with what others have and even sometimes check if I am in a competitive place in my life (e.g. checking if my school ranking or my ranking in school is good enough). I don’t like it at all when others try to tell me what to do in general, but I notice I unconsciously go along with their desires if I don’t notice any overt command like behavior at first.

How do you tend to act when you are part of a team? Are you more of a leader or a follower (or neither)? Do you have an easy time working cooperatively with others?

I try to act cooperatively, but more often than not, either I don’t feel like I felt like I was included or I find more differences between me and the group members. As a result, I prefer to act on things by myself, but when I am in groups I feel included in and share rapport with, I oftentimes take a big role and act cooperatively.

Do you consider yourself to be someone with a firm sense of identity? How do you feel when other people assert their ideas about who you are?

Not really. For a good while of my life, I wasn’t sure of my identity, which I only figured out bit by bit through trial and error (e.g. moving from major to major in college, not knowing what values to consider when looking for significant other, etc.). Even now, I don’t sense I have unshakeable confidence in my identity, although it has improved thanks to learning about socionics, enneagram, mbti, and life experience as an adult so far. I don’t really feel threatened by what other people’s ideas of me are (I even sometimes ask for advice on how I come off or who I seem).

PHYSICS:

How important are factors such as clothing, hygiene, and appearance to your everyday life? Do you feel confident in your body and tastes? Are you often swayed by trends and the opinions of others in terms of fashion and aesthetics?

Not that important to me, as long as I get the basics down and feel comfortable with these aspects of my everyday life, like making sure to e.g. brushing my teeth twice a day, showering every day, working out as much as I can, etc. I feel confident in my body and tastes all the time, especially when I feel fit, but I don’t put too much emphasis or thought to them. I’m indifferent to trends and opinions in terms of fashion or aesthetics.

How do you handle your senses being disturbed? Are you sensitive to problems like discomfort, sickness, and pain? (Or are you unaware/able to push past them/etc..)

When my senses are being disturbed, either I prioritize rest and alone time when they become too much to bear or I just push past them when I have goals I want to finish first or when I am around others I would want to accommodate first.

How is your relationship with physical activity? Are you someone who naturally desires a more comfortable and inert lifestyle, or do you have a hard time staying still? Do you find external encouragement and incentives for taking care of your body useful?

I don’t really enjoy strenuous physical work or activity (e.g. cardio, except if it comes with exploration or novelty). I desire a comfortable lifestyle, but definitely not inert, as I feel uncomfortable staying still for too long. When someone helps me wear something catching to the eye or when I work out hard, I feel confident and good about myself, but it’s not strong or meaningful enough for me to go out of my way to do it myself consistently.

Do you enjoy pushing yourself to try new foods, activities, or styles? How picky are you regarding these things, and what helps you decide what you want to explore?

Yes, I am interested in trying out new foods all the time and even plan on one day traveling the world to explore different cultures and iconic places to explore. I’m not picky about these at all, as long as they are pleasant to my senses and gets me to try out something new and different.

How is your relationship with your physical environment? Are you usually attuned to your surroundings? Is being organized something that matters to you and/or comes naturally? How do you feel when another person enters your space and tries to help you with it? (e.g. by cleaning)

My relationship with my physical environment is not that great. I can easily leave a mess around and don’t feel like I have an internal sense of organization or duty to tidy up the environment. I don’t mind it if someone helps me with this as long as they don’t become strict or nitpicky about every small detail.

How do you handle your finances and possessions? Is this an area of ease in your life, or do you find yourself becoming overly reckless or stingy? Do you consider yourself to be a materialistic person?

I handle my finances pretty well (like checking my finances every week or so), but I have had my moments where I overspent my budget or didn’t really care about refunds or wasted fees. I don’t consider myself to be materialistic, but I do have tendencies or wishes that lean to it if I had more than enough money for buying them.

How do you react to criticism or advice regarding how you handle any of the above things?

I react to them in a calm and indifferent manner for the most part (sometimes feel small tinges of insecurity when it comes to body weight, fat, spending habits, or fitness/looks).

EMOTIONS:

Does self-expression come naturally to you? What emotions do you find easier or harder to express? What goals do you have when dealing with your levels of emotional expression, if any?

Not necessarily, I could always feel that I hide certain parts of my emotions to myself to not disturb the peace around me. I find anger or any kind of emotions stemming from stress hard to deal with both in myself and in others. My main goals around emotional expression is to not disturb the peace around me as I probably discovered that they lead to obstacles when solving problems or cause distress in me myself, and to be playful around others through teasing or joking usually to lighten the mood and for my amusement.

Are you someone who is in touch with their inner emotional world? Are you good at understanding how you feel about something and why? Do you find others’ insight into how you are/should be feeling beneficial?

I don’t feel I have a intimate connection with my inner emotional world, as that has caused problems with others and goals in my life and from my recent discovery, I was afraid of feeling vulnerable to the extent of these emotions being expressed in the outside world. I am actually pretty good at understanding how I feel about something, but more often than not, I don’t listen to that part of me for the aforementioned reasons in this and previous answers. I definitely feel others’ insights into how I am/should be to be beneficial, although it depends more on how it is presented (with respect, sincerity, and kindness especially).

How good are you at balancing your focus between your own emotions and the emotions of others? Are you more naturally attuned to others’ feelings and reactions, or to your own? 

I am much more focused on the emotions of others over those of mine where I can sometimes act as someone that people come to for advice or to calm things down with hopeful and positive thoughts.

How easily caught up on specific feelings do you become? Do you value being able to detach yourself from your emotions? (And is this something you’re good at?)

Pretty easily, as emotions, especially those with strong negative energy can linger around for a while. I value being able to detach myself from my emotions, but the stronger they are, the harder they are to hold in, and usually I do express this dissatisfaction in subtle ways over time.

How do you normally react when someone shares their emotions with you? Do you enjoy handling situations like these?

In the past, I wasn’t sure how to handle when someone shared their emotions with me, especially those that they sought for help and advice with. Nowadays, I am more comfortable in taking them and feel like I have gotten the handles on these aspects of others by giving them space and asking questions that help them dig deeper, although I learned to do this by learning about mbti, enneagram, socionics, psychology, and being around others with these experiences.
 
When others are speaking on topics regarding emotion, are you more inclined to express, engage, or pull away? Do you adjust to emotional atmospheres, or do you feel more separate from them? How comfortable are you with conversations focused on emotional vulnerability?

More inclined to engage, with a somewhat restrained expression. I can adjust to emotional atmospheres and often do, but it depends on who I am adjusting to and what my mood is like. I am comfortable with conversations focusing on emotional vulnerability as long as they don’t force me to talk in depth about my insecurities or make feel too bad about myself.

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u/BeginningFrosting457 — 2 days ago

2V is not an angel.

It just assumes everyone else is normal people and decent.

And 3V is not a demon. Its just insecure and doubts everyone and everything.

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u/No-Pretzel-2404 — 4 days ago
▲ 7 r/Psychosophy+2 crossposts

How does 2V affect 3L, does it make it more extroverted, could it help in making 3L stubborn in their logic that they got through long search, and as argumentative and free as a 2L? Discuss.

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u/ariadne--1 — 3 days ago
▲ 16 r/Psychosophy+1 crossposts

I've given up. Psycosophy sucks. The Syntax of Love sucks. This theory is lacking and extremely inorganized. What works in placement, does not in contradictions. Ignoring contradictions: the placements individually work, together the description feels absolutely wrong for me. So, contradictions ?

I've tried everything I could for this goddamn theory and nothing works. I can't find a placement that does me justice, I have no py type. So...otherwise does it work

u/ariadne--1 — 5 days ago

whos more likely to be a neet in their moms basement who has no friends never had a girlfriend/boyfriend, daydreams chronically, watches pickup artists but doesn’t take action, doesn’t talk to anyone not even their family, watches kid shows and spends 15-16 hours a day on their phone?

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u/Sharp_Chard_1969 — 4 days ago

Figuring out I’m 4E

I just had the biggest epiphany about myself because of this system, Psychosophy. For a long time I thought I was 2E because I assumed that because I’m emotionally accommodating, I can only be 2E and not 4E, because back then I believed that 4E is only ever cold and mean. But after reading into this theory more and discussing it with some people on PDB (don’t hate!), I figured out 4E is my real emotional placement. It just feels so good to finally figure out who I am, at least to some extent.

All my life I considered myself a sentimental person and therefore I never considered the possibility that I could be low in emotion.

But the truth is, I have never made decisions purely based on emotions, and even though I used to be more openly emotional as a child, I have really mellowed out a lot with the years. Even in my teen years, I didn’t really share my emotions much with people (not even family), and I was told that my true feelings were hard to read.

I always felt that something must be wrong with me emotionally, because I usually don’t feel very deeply at all, even when someone is pouring out their heart to me. I always try to commiserate and mirror others’ emotions so I don’t seem like a jerk, but people often tell me how I always seem emotionally awkward. Every time someone cries in front of me, I just stare at them awkwardly. I’ve always coped with this feeling of emotional deficiency by taking action to help others out, to offset my lack of deep passion. If I can’t cry with others, then at least I can try to help them as much as I can, or simply listen to them. (Sometimes I’m overly helpful in an effort to be a good person.)

My ex and I broke up, to a large extent, because (per his words) I was not “loving enough” and I never knew how to stop working and set aside time for him. It actually made me feel bad, once again, to hear that my emotions weren’t enough. He told me I focused too much on being his savior and protector, doing things for him and buying him gifts, when all he wanted was to hear that I loved him. I did tell him I loved him, but perhaps I didn’t say it with enough passion or conviction. I have never been good at speaking about my deep feelings with outward passion. My ex-partner was FLEV; he may have needed a 2E partner, I now realize.

I commiserate and try to mirror others’ feelings, as I’ve already said, which I assumed was 2E. But now I realize that 4E is not necessarily a cold and mean aspect, but rather an adaptable one. Suddenly everything makes sense. Now I know why, despite being “nice” and “friendly” (other people’s words, not mine), I could never relate to the bright and sparkly nature of 2E. I feel embarrassed crying in front of others; I don’t particularly like smiling widely; I’m not good at telling others I love them (aside from my ex and my parents), and so on, but I admire this emotionality in others to an extent, as long as they’re not too dramatic. People tell me it’s very hard to ruffle my feathers, which is why many people don’t try to emotionally prod me, and this is something I do like about myself; my unwavering calmness.

I don’t know why I’m dumping all this info on you all, lol. I just feel like it’s so important to emphasize that 4E is not automatically a cruel or uncaring function. It’s capable of kindness, too. I’m sure you all know this already. Had I realized this sooner, I wouldn’t have had all these incessant doubts about my typology. I’ve always wanted to know who I am, and I’ve relied on typology to help me figure it out to an extent, but mistyping myself caused me to try to achieve tasks and roles that really didn’t suit me.

Not sure how to end this post! I kinda just puked out a whole bunch of words 😀

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u/kuno7722 — 5 days ago

Vlef/fvle

As a sp7 728 am i vlef or fvle

Ok so i illustrated my thoughts what do you think

  1. LVEF

  2. 3E❓️

  3. 3E🔄4F

  4. LVFE❓️

  5. 3F❌️

  6. 4F 🔄1F

  7. 4E✅️

  8. 3L ✅️

  9. FVLE❓️❓️❓️

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u/Ddou-ry — 6 days ago
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Can a sx6 be a 4F?

I was on Tumblr, expressing that I think I'm a LVEF, but someone in the comments said that sx6 cannot be a 4F. But, for me at least, 4F REALLY fits, just as much as sx6 fits. Are they really that incompatible? Did I mistype myself?

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u/MiruTheBaker — 6 days ago

Any EVLF & FVEL characters you've encountered in media (novels, games, movies, etc.)?

Just curious :) I personally don't know any (or cannot remember for the time being)

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u/EL3CTROLYSIS — 6 days ago

Can ELVF be very picky and confident about their sensory?

I wonder if ELVF can be very picky and pedantic about their senses. Having strong and specific preferences about aesthetics, food and clothes or would this point towards ELFV?

I've read that their physics are more about pragmatic and currently external worlds than aesthetics and sensory things like this.

is it likely that they are also rigid in their thinking while also enjoying to share logic and engage in process with other people while being insecure about taking volitional charge and keeping emotions internal.

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u/TheShadowSong — 7 days ago

How the emotion placements respond to a crying person

1E: If they can set aside their emotional egocentricism to actually put themselves in your shoes, 1Es will offer emotional insights or make some heartfelt statements to you. Otherwise, they try to help with their second function

2E: Very sympathetic and will cluck over you like a mother hen, will undoubtedly say nice comforting words paired with the right sympathetic tone and facial expressions, very warm if a bit generic and pushy with their comfort

3E: Hard to predict if a 3E will freeze up, snap at you to get a grip on yourself, cry too, or, what’s somewhat funny and incomprehensible, nervously ramble at you while you cry. Or, occasionally, say a lot of really heartfelt and profound things, and then clam up and never acknowledge that interaction again

4E: Some 4Es will just sit there like a lump, some are pretty expressive and behave like a less obtrusive version of 2E, giving generically competent sympathy and warmth

Signed, a 1E with a lot of experience crying in front of different people 😁

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u/surlydoc — 7 days ago

I don’t relate to any second function

I think I’m LFEV but I’m the complete opposite of 2F
I’m definitely 1L and 3E but I don’t relate to any second position at all (L and E included)

why is that?

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u/lumine-star — 9 days ago

Sx8 VEFL/VELF

thoughts on this combo? i was looking into ashley graves and seeing what people are typing her as and the general consensus/what i personally think is sx8 VExx. thoughts on the combo?

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u/namesnightpain — 9 days ago

FLVE or VLXX? Always fucking unsure…

First and foremost, logic. I’m wordy, ranty, confident, tbh think I’m pretty smart and will debate just about anything, even with lackluster facts at hand, pulling from a theoretical understanding I’ve accumulated. I love arguing and would feel severely bothered by a life of silence or constant agreement. I want to take other people’s points of view in and generally try to leave every conversation knowing a little more. Everyone has some information you don’t have. I don’t do details unless the subject actually interests me.

Next comes emotion. I know I have 3rd or 4th emotion, I don’t really know what to do with other people’s emotions and don’t feel anything for a good part of the day. I don’t usually like being influenced emotionally, as it feels manipulative. I ocasionally cry, mostly to really sad media or once in a while actually having feelings. I am kind of empathetic, but it’s not a defining quality for sure. I know how to go for the throat with someone’s insecurities, which might be 3E or 3V tbh. I don’t usually do so but I do perceive the option as “available”. I don’t usually talk about my emotions unless I’m close to someone and usually drunk. I do kind of have some amount of deeper emotions, but usually I’m either not conscious of them or don’t want to talk them. Thus, my affect is usually jokeful and pretty light-hearted. I can be provocative, for example with very offensive humor, as I do like to stir the pot for entertainment (and then lay back and enjoy). I don’t have a problem with expressing rage and happiness, the rest of the emotions are harder as they make me feel soft & weak and it’s not how I like to be perceived. They are my weakest link though, as I will feel guilty upon hurting someone even in a mild way and usually it’s an aspect that gets to control me to some degree, because the other 3 will only control me situationally. I’m not a very emotional person, though.

Physics. I enjoy sex, food, risk taking and adrenaline in general - it makes me feel very alive. I’m kind of impulsive but usually in physics a quick consequence analysis makes me back off before acting violently. I enjoy violence and think it’s generally the most fundamental way of human conflict - the way to impose your will. I don’t feel confident in my ability to beat some up but I do feel confident in my ability to beat most up. I don’t easily take to suggestions in the physical realm, even though I suck at it. My only real solution in here is throwing excess at things, whether that be force, or say, “dealing” with stress by eating a cool 3000 calories. I then usually deal with the issue. I dress like shit unless there is a good reason to dress in any other way (I like comfy clothes, although recently I’ve upgraded to a normie look which is still comfy) and have repeatedly been told I am extremely careless in this realm. I’ve conditioned my friends to flinch when I dap them up because I like to do it full force. I don’t usually have good physical awareness. I do have some insecurity w body image and looks - that part is more sensitive - but I do feel confident in throwing force into shit.

Volition. I’m pretty sure it’s aggressive. I passionately hate being told what to do unless I specifically accept it. I do like negotiating it with people, although I have a tendency to assume they’re going to do a shitty job. Now, I do believe I will do a good job, which leads me to overwork myself at times. I used to be “mr give up” although recently (1yr ago) I took that privilege away from myself and refuse to let myself give up, as it made me feel like shit about myself. I sometimes give up but it’s at minor/useless goals. I am very competitive, although I can get bored of it. I understand how power and hierarchies work, although I generally see myself as outside them entirely. I can be very snake-like if it’s going to get me what I want, as I default to assuming that asking for it is likelier to fail. Sometimes I do ask for it directly. I am usually kind of honest, although there’s a couple lies I do tell for instrumental reasons. Most of my friend groups are separate for similar reasons. I can try to lead, although don’t like to lead if people don’t kind of support me - I won’t usually impose it. Usually prefer to do things by myself for that reason, as I don’t have to deal with that whole process. I have a bit of a counterphobic tendency, wherein I’ll bluff strength in the face of a challenge and bluff confidence, making the other person have to take the choice of calling me on it and risk it not being a bluff, or back down. I’m kind of petty although usually give up on it quickly as it feels very pointless.

I don’t have a problem with obsessing with a goal and just relentlessly pushing for it, sacrificing wellbeing, emotional wellbeing, sleep, health, etc. This is one of my best strengths, along with being quick-witted, creative at my approaches and pretty good at “people”. I might even be inneficient, but once I’m obsessed enough, giving up feels forbidden even if I want to.

I usually disregard rules unless the consequences are actually real. I enjoy that. I don’t really care for validation too much although I can’t really say I don’t care for it at all. I do have some self doubt, although sometimes I ask for people’s opinion just to get mine to pop up (usually not the same but it can be).

Recently I’ve been reflecting on integrating an issue, on one hand I would like to be an unstoppable force, but on the other hand, I do like having good relationships with more softness. I do ocasionally want to indulge in some softness, though I don’t like to admit it.

Day to day, I’m usually pretty chill/nice, although pretty busy with a gazillion things. I don’t mind being a total prick for the goals of people I value or respect, matter of fact I enjoy it. I just don’t like to always be an asshole.

VLFE 4313 or FLVE 4323 seem like the likeliest picks. I don’t feel super 3V although I don’t think I’m this hyperassertive corporate ladder climber. Matter of fact, my current life-plan leads to self employment.

Got any ideas?

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u/Content-Sympathy6305 — 12 days ago

So lost!! ELVF, FLEV, LFEV… no clue!!

I’ve been trying for months, unsuccessfully, to find my Psychosophy type, and the system is starting to feel flawed.

Of course, tests are not and will never be a good way to find type, but it’s a good screenshot to help illustrate the issue I’ve been having - specifically that I find myself relating a lot to both 3V and 3E. In this screenshot, you can also see that my emotion and logic elements don’t really align with any placement, and both volition and physics compete for the third placement.

I’ve heard before that 3V destabilizes the entire stack, but I find it very hard to believe that 3V would make another Emotion placement so insecure and afraid of their own emotions.

Questionnaire if it’s helpful: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1epA41YNVbuhplesmaz7Qp6gCULhsFjhQt8G8tnZv9h4/edit?usp=sharing

Questions welcome and encouraged, if you prefer to ask questions rather than read the questionnaire ask away. I welcome any and all help on this because I’ve been completely unable to get any type to fit well.

Thanks in advance!!

u/ManagementSea5015 — 12 days ago

Can’t decide between VLEF and VLFE

Yeah so. As the title said.

The problem is that I feel like both fourth physics and fourth emotion.

In the physics department, I’m quite a messy person and I don’t really mind it. As long as I can still get everything done I’m fine. But I do love aesthetics and I dream of having an aesthetic life, though I’d definitely struggle a lot of maintain it. Messes don’t bother me much but i get annoyed when my mom (2F) tells me to clean them because i don think it’s important. I don’t really care about my health, it’s definitely not a conscious priority for me. Of course I’m not trying to get sick actively. I’m quite away of my body and what I feel, somehow I can feel an illness developing and take preventative medicine? I’m not good at physical things, I genuinely hate movement and exercise in general. It just feels pointless to me. I do not eat healthily, I only eat for pleasure and really hunger doesn’t bother me. If there’s nothing fun to eat, I just don’t eat. My sense of aesthetics and lifestyle is very very easily influenced by those around me and i always pick up the habits of those of higher physics functions around me. I’m very materialistic, I love money, and other things but everyone loves money. I want to have enough money that not having it will never bother me again and then never think about it. I’m very focused on accumulating more money, but paradoxically I always tend to give my money to friends in small amounts if they want it. I give things to my friends pretty easily, I’m not stingy nor am I territorial of my stuff. I just feel as if I don’t have the power to defend myself. I don’t really care about my appearance but I do think I could be prettier.

In the emotional aspect, I’d never use my emotions to influence any of my decisions. I’m a very bright person who’s quite dramatic on the surface but most of the emotions I present I don’t actually feel. I struggle to understand the emotions of others or even caring about them but I still try to do so. I want to be emotionally intelligent but I’m not. I’m not emotional I’ve never been emotional, as a kid i could never cry for more than two minutes because id get bored. I don’t have to actively suppress my emotions much because I don’t, have many emotions. Whenever I watch an emotional piece of media I find myself crying, not because I feel sad I just cry? If I want to understand the emotions of others I have to spend a lot of time thinking about it (relying on higher functions) and I generally just like to be direct and ask how they feel. I’m very interested in how others feel about me and I can be quite a romantic at times.

Neither blows to the physics or emotional area really affect me. If I was called ugly, I guess I’d be bummed. If I was beat up, I’d just take it. (Once I was being strangled and I just stood there lmao) If someone attacked me emotionally, actually I’m not sure what that’d even be. I don’t spend much time thinking about either physics or emotional. Actually the only thing I think is actually process is my 2L. I’d type as 1F but there’s about a 0% chance I’m 4V.

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u/Bonemarrowyummu — 13 days ago

1F or 3F?

1F and 3F seem similar to me, and I’ve found characteristics of both types in myself. Idk if it is correlated but keep in mind that Se is NOT in my main cognitive functions.

I’m pretty physically lazy. My room is usually messy. But when I finally get around to cleaning, I enjoy organizing things in a way that creates practical order. Despite the laziness, I like walking in the park. When I do manage to exercise, I try to enjoy the process (imagining how I’m getting stronger both in body and spirit). But can’t continue when I’m tired, so basically I don’t push myself that far.

I have a sense of style in clothing—I know what suits me and what doesn’t, and I can give advice to others on how to improve something about themselves (when asked). I dress pretty simply myself; the main thing is that my style has a certain aesthetic, and it’s not always important if the outfit looks stylish to others—what matters is that it means something to me, how I feel in it. I also feel uncomfortable in uncomfortable clothes (too tight, too short, too elegant, too luxurious), even if they look better on me. I hate trends and lack of individuality in style.

I’m a bit clumsy in space—I bump into corners. I like sport games. I love the idea of dancing; I often get impulses in my head and body to move around, but again, I’m a bit clumsy, so it’s hard for me to turn those impulses into real movements. My mood sours if my appearance gets ruined during the day and becomes less fresh, for example.

I like carrying things with me that might come in handy, like any woman’s bag full of random stuff. I like practical things in general (a water-resistant fabric bag, a hiking knife).

I have a rocky relationship with money—it’s hard for me to stop spending. I’m also generous, I could give something away even to a stranger or buy something for my friend. I don’t like it when someone tries to change something in my room or style—yeah, the room is messy and the outfit didn’t turn out great, but neither bothers me, and I can fix it myself or just accept it, no big deal. If I lose something, it makes me sad, but if someone accidentally damages my thing, I immediately come to terms with it.

When something hurts or I think something’s wrong with my body, I immediately assume the worst.

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u/Jumpy_Ad3688 — 13 days ago