r/Psychosophy

I’m pretty neurotic and can’t stop thinking about negative scenarios. I’m pretty sure about my ideas, logical reasoning and other things but I used to the fact that I might fail a little cause my brain might not function well at the moment, I can forget something or miss something crucial for the reasoning. At the end I usually get upset cause I didn’t showed my maximum and didn’t do the good job that I wanted to do. It also makes me question myself, like what if I forget something again and will look stupid. There are some things that I can’t control and those things negatively impact my work.

My emotion, logic, and physics all feel like 1v but my volition feels like a three. current typing is elvf

I have a problem with deciding, I feel like I am xe(lv)f XD. I am 100% sure that i am 4f and 80% sure that I am 2E.
Please help me.

L1/L3– I don't necessarily trust my own reasoning. I usually feel like I lack some knowledge to assess the situation and I try to get it. I'm afraid to argue with people I recognise as more intelligent, because I may lose their recognition. I spend hours reading about philosophy/politics so that my views are as close to the truth as possible and as much as possible to justify. I believe that there is some logical and true, the only version of the functioning of the world and that together with science I am approaching to getting to know it and one day I will get to know it. What matters to me are the opinions of experts and people whose views I deeply appreciate. I'm very worried when my argument turns out to be stupid and it irritates me when someone doesn't understand what I mean. I don't need people from my environment to come to the position, but a lot of sources of knowledge yes, even though at first I feel (mainly because of strong empathy and a sense of justice) that any option is the real one. The opinion of the crowds does not count to me, because it considers it stupid, but the opinion of a more intelligent person is something that in my opinion is closer to the truth (and someone who knows the subject). I don't like contradictions, logical errors, imprecise definitions. It's hard for me to admit mistakes. It's hard for me to define my views at the same time because I'm afraid that someone will find gaps in my reasoning due to lack of knowledge.

V1/V3: I hate to give control to others. I'm notoriously lying to my parents about where I am. Not because they wouldn't let me, but because they threaten my control. I love to control my surroundings but I don't like to take responsibility for various events. I often give up my plans, despite my great irritation, because I'm afraid that I'll hurt someone or someone will take off the mask of a confident person, which causes me uncertainty. I hate it when people let themselves be manipulated and I hate it when people can influence me. Sometimes I can't set limits because I don't want to lose someone and I can delay decisions because of my feelings and the possibility of losing control. I envy people who put themselves in a leadership position, and at the same time it irritates me that they do it when no one has appointed them to do it.

Recently I started to see people talk about it's not possible to have 4F if you really like doing or watching/hearing/seeing art.

I think I'm 4F-1 but I do many things like skating, acting, writing, drawing etc. I dress up and like make up too, I'm not too careless about my look but I don't care it that much. I like to have fun and attend in fun and dynamic activities and I hate pain (I mean I am an e7, so7 but still a 7) 🤷‍♀️ plus I definitely don't think the pain part doesn't contradict 4F)

But I engage in drawing to take my mind off things, like as a break. I like music especially loud music to prevent some of my thoughts to get too loud to go into a spiral. I like acting because I don't have to show my real emotions, after all those are characters' emotions not mine. I like writing because my mind is messy and it helps me to organize it, plus I want to publish a book to inform people and at least help a little to this world and leave my mark. Idk why I like skating, it helps me to blow of steam I guess, plus I form a network and learn things from people.

But I don't really listen to my body, I sometimes push myself too far and don't take care of my body's needs, especially when I have something in my mind and that I'm determined to finish it. I forget to eat or drink water if someone doesn't remind me. People even worry about my health because of this.

I am unorganized and I don't organize anything especially my wardrobe or bag because I don't care if I can find what I need. (I'm even [U] in big5)

I still think I'm 4F (VLEF to ne spesific) but people said I'm not because of the things I said in 2nd paragraph. What do you think?

I have somewhat of an idea from looking at things already but was curious and wanted to see if I’d majorly misjudged something. I apologize in advance for tbe length I do not know how people manage to keep texts concise without leaving out info

Some words have a ‘(?)’ after them because English is not my native language and that word was the closest I could find to the one I was looking for. I also don’t know how helpful it is but my big five personality thing was SCOAN (extroversion and agreeableness is close to average and varies, but my openness is always ridiculously low, like 1-5th percentile 💀). I have also been typed as enfp mbti-wise but I am stumped on mbti in general atm as well as enneagram so that's probably not as helpful

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LOGIC:
Do you find that truth and understanding of systems in life are an important aspect that should be highly valued? How do you usually go about learning and forming an understanding of a concept?

I do think knowing how things work is important, and I really like knowing the ‘why’ behind things. I struggle with grasping how someone can understand something without knowing how it works or why it happens. It doesn’t quite sit right with me when someone doesn’t know how something works and is content with that. It’s almost unnerving in a way that’s hard to describe when people actively refuse to think for themselves. I feel like lots of problems in the world could be avoided if people asked ‘why’ more often. I do unfortunately run out of patience sometimes, especially if the issue is really trivial

When I try to learn something I like learning it by first nailing the basics down and then going upwards, because jumping right into the middle of a subject and then not knowing the definition of certain concepts annoys me (It makes me feel like I’m in a conversation but out of the loop which I also dislike). I really struggled with some teachers both in school and university who would mention a concept briefly but not explain how it actually worked, or just skip between topics when explaining. I'm also a big fan of using analogies or comparisons to link new knowledge to things I've learned before (although this has come back to haunt me a few times)

How easily do you find yourself changing opinions or viewpoints? What sorts of things can influence your views the most/least? 

I don’t like being wrong but I will begrudgingly change my opinions on things if it makes more sense for me to do so, because being nonsensical feels even worse somehow. I find that it’s a bit of a slower(?) internal process, like I’ll understand logically that I need to change my view and will appear to do so, but there’s a bit of inertia emotionally speaking. I tend to be very skeptical of people outright telling me things and I like to do some research privately to determine if they’re right or not

Are you more likely to assume that you’re right or wrong about an issue? Is it important for you to always be right? How easy is it for you to admit it when you’re wrong?

This one depends a little on the issue as I’m currently stuck in a university degree I don’t want to be in, and after dealing with a bunch of abstract math and technical stuff that I’m bad at, I’m not that confident in my reasoning ability when it comes to those topics. I’m a bit more confident with other subjects outside of math/physics/electronics, but I do still find myself double checking my opinion before expressing it as I don’t want to be wrong

In that sense it’s also not the easiest to admit that I’m wrong and I’ll often avoid directly saying it for a while until I’ve gotten over it (I may give a more ambiguous reaction in the moment I realise I’m wrong, and I’ll only go “I was wrong” if I absolutely have to, like to apologise). I would like to say that I don’t mind being wrong about much smaller things like trivia questions but I also feel embarrassed then too

How do you react when someone disagrees with you during a logical debate? How do you go about defending your beliefs, if at all? Do these types of situations make you doubt your views easily?

This may be my adhd but I immediately feel very embarrassed/ashamed even if I’ve gotten better at appearing unbothered. I will try to defend my views if I have a good reason for it, and I’ll also ask more clarifying questions to try and figure out where this person is coming from. If said person has more good points than me I’ll give an ambiguous reaction and then subtly try to end the conversation (I will then look into this person’s opinion more later at some point)

I find that even if I really don’t want to, I end up listening to/considering/thinking about someone’s opinion regardless which can be frustrating (Unless it’s very blatantly wrong “the earth is flat” etc.). I wish I could confidently be like “I don’t want to listen to you I’m right”, but I can never seem to do that. I wouldn’t say my views are easily changed but I’m still weirdly affected by external arguments if that makes sense

How do you feel about debating logical chains and evidence? (Can discussions and debates help you sort your thoughts out, or are you more likely to see them as unnecessary? Do you find debates more stressful or fun?)

I’m a very visual person and I don’t do very well with only verbal information, so sometimes it can be a bit hard to keep track of all the arguments if the discussion goes on for long. I do find it interesting unless it’s a really abstract topic, but I would definitely say that overall debates are more stressful than fun, because I like to pick apart things and research stuff privately. I feel kind of like a deer in headlights when I have to argue for my opinion for extended periods of time

Do you feel the need to explain your own logical understanding to others? Do you feel the need to have others explain their understandings to you?

I do like giving context and I’m baffled that people can communicate effectively (at least over text) with messages with very little context established. I also really like hearing other people explain their viewpoints/reasoning, and I can actually get very annoyed if someone brushes off explaining your actions as irrelevant. I’m funnily enough way less talkative in real life, partly because you have more non-verbal cues to go by then (I have the opposite problem as with text where I can’t seem to express myself nuanced enough with words in that case). Over text I can’t help but give way too much detail because I dislike misunderstandings. I admittedly also get a bit annoyed when people go “too long didn’t read” because there is (usually) no reason for commenting that instead of just not engaging

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VOLITION:
Do you consider yourself to be a naturally motivated person? What helps motivate you? Do you need others to motivate you and/or provide incentives for you to work? 

I would say I’m pretty motivated to do things I want to do. I do obviously have moments where I procrastinate, and my executive function isn’t that great sometimes (thank you adhd), but I’m mostly very confident in my ability to get things I want to do done. I’d say I’m motivated by getting better at something, as in I do something so I can get better at the thing or at the very least become better equipped to handle a similar thing in the future

I can get a bit annoyed when people are overly pushy with trying to get me to work towards a goal I don’t have in mind, but I can compromise if I see the reasoning (I will for instance finish my degree even though I don’t want to because there’s only six months left and it’s good as a backup etc.). I do appreciate talking about my goals with someone and getting motivation from that though

Are you someone who has a clear sense of direction and purpose? Is this something that matters to you? What do you gain a sense of meaning from?

I do have a very good idea of what goals I have, and even if I don’t have all the minute details down, I have a decent idea of what I need to do to get there. It’s something that’s always in the back of my head, but not to the detriment of the present. I’d describe it as a one of those quest-markers in a videogame map that aren't super annoying/distracting but they're there

I’d say I get my sense of meaning from a combination of myself, the idea of being capable in different situations, as well as helping people, I’m unsure if I interpreted the question right though

How is your relationship with goals? Do you often share them with others (or help others with their goals)? 

I tend to talk a bunch about my goals, and I do find it interesting to listen to others talk about their goals. Unlike debates, discussing goals is somehow not as daunting, and I’m admittedly not entirely sure why. It may be because I feel a lot more confident in those and less permeable(?) for the lack of a better word, and it feels less like I have to defend myself and more like a thing I’m collaborating on with someone. I try to help if the other person is stuck, usually by throwing out a random idea(brainstorming), or if very serious, I give some advice based off what I know this person is like. I don’t want to be too pushy though, which is due to me growing up with someone being pushy with me, so I know that can be really annoying

Are you self-assured in what you set out to do, or are you more indecisive and/or easily persuaded by what others around you want?

I do generally feel like I can do the thing I set out to do, and I make up my mind fairly quickly, but I make sure to have at least a (quick) backup plan or two for things, so I feel pretty balanced there. I did have a period when younger when I was much less confident and and more indecisive/susceptible to influence (for instance when deciding to go into university), although I attribute that to external circumstances as it got vastly better when taking care of said circumstances. It sounds weird but at some point after moving away and improving on some things/becoming more confident, it clicked that I could just do things without feeling compelled to tell someone about it first, and I could just chose to not do something I didn’t agree with/see the reasoning behind, and I haven’t looked back that much since

Are you bothered by failures and setbacks? How do you deal with them when they come up?

It kind of depends on the type and severity of the failure, but I know I’ll eventually get over things, although it may take longer if it’s a serious mistake (such as not getting my driver’s license earlier and then barring myself from some future paths, which I’m currently trying to fix). I used to take academic failure very hard but that got much better through sheer exposure therapy in university (consistent bad to mediocre grades despite all my best efforts). Apart from failing at intellectual(??) things, I’d say that physical failure is the second most annoying because that’s the one I expect the least. I give myself some space to feel disappointed or sad about the failure before moving past it (I may also talk or vent about it to someone if possible)

Are you someone who easily competes for things you truly desire? How do you feel about others telling you what to do, or trying to insert their desires into yours?

I used to be way more competitive but have mellowed out a little, although I do still find myself somewhat competitive. I was ironically way more competitive before I gained a clearer sense of goals/meaning which feels a bit confusing. I’m not a big fan of others outright telling me to do something without a chance for some kind of compromise. It feels kind of offensive(?) that someone would assume they’re good enough to command people around just like that without trying to understand someone’s situation first

How do you tend to act when you are part of a team? Are you more of a leader or a follower (or neither)? Do you have an easy time working cooperatively with others?

I’m not as confident in my leading abilities due to lack of experience, but I believe I’d get better at it if I had to. I like working as a team much better than being alone or competing, and I don’t mind being a follower and knowing that I’m helping by doing my piece of the work. Idk how to phrase it better but most of the time I feel like an ant and I’m weirdly okay with that. I’ll peace out and do my own thing, or try ally with people around me if whoever is in charge is bad at it though

Do you consider yourself to be someone with a firm sense of identity? How do you feel when other people assert their ideas about who you are?

This one was a bit hard to answer because I’m not sure how I’d define identity in general. I find myself puzzled by people who are very attached to some more intangible aspects of themselves although I will respect it. It does get on my nerves though when people like, freak out about identity or place too much importance in it. I don’t know how to explain it well but like, I’ve seen people freak out because they’re all concerned about not recognizing themselves or ‘finding themselves’/'being authentic' or whatever, which feels strange to me, because I don’t quite understand why it matters sometimes (I do understand with stuff like history or culture though, it’s more things like, interests or personality traits)

I do have a sense of who I am although it’s very tied to things I can tangibly identify (Atm I do these things, I am this old, I’m generally very energetic, my current interests are these things, etc.). That doesn’t mean I feel lost if those things change either though, as I recognize that people change over time. I guess I see myself (and other people) as an array of different traits/aspects that sometimes change/gets swapped out

(I ended up focusing more on other people than me in this question because it’s almost easier to answer it by doing so). I don’t like when people misunderstand my intentions or reasoning, especially negatively, but that’s because I don’t like when people assume they know everything, and people thinking less of me stressed me out

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PHYSICS:
How important are factors such as clothing, hygiene, and appearance to your everyday life? Do you feel confident in your body and tastes? Are you often swayed by trends and the opinions of others in terms of fashion and aesthetics?

I like having good personal hygiene and I may feel a bit self conscious if my clothes look off or weird. I’ll also probably notice if other people are bad at those things fairly quickly. I do feel fairly confident in my body apart from maybe wishing I was a bit taller and more muscular. I’m not very easily swayed by external trends or opinions, and I don’t understand why someone makes an appearance altercation purely because everyone else does it as it doesn’t seem like a very good reason

How do you handle your senses being disturbed? Are you sensitive to problems like discomfort, sickness, and pain? (Or are you unaware/able to push past them/etc..)

I don’t understand how people can do things like not eat or sleep for several days willingly, and I’m very in tune with what my body’s doing at all times (I can for instance distinguish between types of head- and stomachaches). I have struggled with hypochondria when stressed or when I experience a new phyiscal sensation I can't place, but that has gotten a lot better over the years. I’ve had to become better at pushing myself physically, and I have gotten complaints from people that I’m not good at stepping out of my comfort zone. Like if I had to endure a bunch of unpleasant physical things for the sake of something important I would, but I very much prefer to be comfortable. I also have pretty sensitive senses but I’m not easily overwhelmed

How is your relationship with physical activity? Are you someone who naturally desires a more comfortable and inert lifestyle, or do you have a hard time staying still? Do you find external encouragement and incentives for taking care of your body useful?

I like physical activities that challenge my reflexes and coordination, and I like being physically fit in general. I’ve always gotten feedback that I’m very coordinated/good at picking up skills, and I’m pretty okay at any new activity I try which tends to annoy some relatives that think I’m lazy. I don’t like watching people do sports and stuff because I would much rather do it myself than watch someone else do it

I do like being comfortable though and may sometimes experience inertia in the sense that getting up and being active can take some time unless I expect to, or unless I decide I need to get in shape. I do get restless if I’m still for too long, but I’m definitely more inclined to relax than anything. If I’m very stressed I often appear more relaxed which seems counter-productive to people. I don’t really register external encouragements/incentives unless they already line up with my existing goals/wishes and stuff

Do you enjoy pushing yourself to try new foods, activities, or styles? How picky are you regarding these things, and what helps you decide what you want to explore?

I tend to be fairly picky and I don’t usually do new things just for the sake of it. I can sometimes be in a mood to experiment with, say, food, but I find things like travelling to be a bit too much of a hassle without a good reason.

How is your relationship with your physical environment? Are you usually attuned to your surroundings? Is being organized something that matters to you and/or comes naturally? How do you feel when another person enters your space and tries to help you with it? (e.g. by cleaning)

I’d say my brain really likes prioritizing my physical environment and my surroundings. I may sometimes get lost in thought when alone but generally I’m pretty good at noticing stuff. I used to think I was very disorganized but that was kind of exacerbated by a combination of adhd and negative feelings, and it turns out I’m not particularly messy or disorganized compared to others. In terms of organization, I have a system for where everything is in my living space, so if someone asked me where a certain thing was, I’d immediately know where I’d have to look to find it. I’d say I definitely prefer to have a clear idea of what goes where in general and I secretly cringe a little if I see people being very messy/careless in their surroundings, although if it is because of something like depression I won’t judge as I understand that it’s not that simple

I’d probably be pretty annoyed if someone tried to enter my space and modify it, mostly because I secretly think that my own idea of how the space should be is the best for me, or I’ll feel more confortable doing the cleaning myself

How do you handle your finances and possessions? Is this an area of ease in your life, or do you find yourself becoming overly reckless or stingy? Do you consider yourself to be a materialistic person?

I’m terrible with the math parts of economics, and I suspect the only reason I do decently is because I’m not very reckless with money (I don’t buy stuff like new clothes or accessories unless I’m absolutely certain I’ll need them or they’re useful, and I also don’t like to buy purely decorative things etc.). My parents compliment me on my economic skills/making things work with very little money, but it’s literally only because of that lmao. I’m also not super materialistic and don’t need tons of stuff. I do get somewhat attached to things I have though, either because of sentimentality, or because I get used to the thing being there in my daily life

How do you react to criticism or advice regarding how you handle any of the above things?

Even though I’m bad at the economy-related math, I still find myself annoyed when criticized about it. I’m not entirely sure why but I suspect it’s because it makes me feel like I’m bad at math

Also assuming above means all of the physics category, I do get very annoyed if criticized on the way I do things (I will begrudgingly adjust if it’s necessary). I have struggled with (and admittedly still do) being a bit too arrogant when it comes to my physical abilities, and I have to consciously remind myself to not do that or I will inevitably believe I can do any physical task I set my mind to (“Nah, I can totally do this, I’ll make it work if I have to”). Case in point, my dad who’s a lot more insecure in physical aspects is for instance a nightmare to work with because he’s always very high-strung when we try to fix stuff at home as he’s too afraid of breaking stuff. I then keep running out of patience because I don’t understand why he won’t let me try something to fix it that I’m confident I’ll succeed in etc. 

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EMOTIONS:
Does self-expression come naturally to you? What emotions do you find easier or harder to express? What goals do you have when dealing with your levels of emotional expression, if any?

Despite appearing very expressive or emotional, I actually have a really hard time pinning down my emotions. I express everything except for sadness which makes me feel weirdly vulnerable, as well as negativity towards others because I don’t like hurting people’s feelings (I can appear very annoyed/frustrated at others which is accidental). 

I do art such as drawing but I struggle with making something super personal and expressive. I struggle to understand and relate to people who call their emotions ‘deep’ as I often find that if I ruminate too much on my emotions they almost appear to run out, or it feels like I’m hitting a metaphorical floor eventually. I’ve actually had to pull away from typing spaces as other people’s emotions and views will inevitably kind of drown out my own (It’s like trying to listen to your own music through headphones in the middle of a loud concert).

I don’t really have any goals as emotional expression feels kind of like an afterthought, and I don’t understand people who suppress or artificially amplify their emotions unless its for some kind of tactical reason or to not unnecessarily hurt someone. If I had to say what’s easier to express, it’d definitely be joy/humor or anger. I find myself pretty good at raising the energy level in a room if I want to or just making people laugh

Are you someone who is in touch with their inner emotional world? Are you good at understanding how you feel about something and why? Do you find others’ insight into how you are/should be feeling beneficial?

I’m very good at understanding why I feel a certain way intellectually speaking, although that is from deliberate trial and error when younger. I am very aware of what my brain does, but most of the time I rely on physical sensations to deduce what I’m feeling. I do find it interesting to listen to people’s impression of me and I secretly do not mind being psychoanalyzed as I hope it’ll somehow give me more insight into certain emotional things lmao. This question kind of ties into the previous question of identity for me and I find it hard to answer because emotions are very slippery and change too fast to be useful as a serious metric (unless they’re extremely prominent or caused by external interference like grief). I still find emotions somewhat fascinating in general because of the fact that they’re so elusive

How good are you at balancing your focus between your own emotions and the emotions of others? Are you more naturally attuned to others’ feelings and reactions, or to your own? 

Unless I feel a very strong/overwhelmingly negative feeling, I’m generally more aware of what others are feeling in terms of actually feeling the emotions

How easily caught up on specific feelings do you become? Do you value being able to detach yourself from your emotions? (And is this something you’re good at?)

I used to be very angry when I had less of a sense of purpose, but I can’t really think of any specific feeling I’d be caught up in, maybe except for that specific feeling of concern for others (I may spend some time dwelling on the fact that some people I know aren’t doing very well and why or how one could help). I don’t know if I value being detached from emotions or not, but it is something I’m surprisingly good at (I say surprisingly due to the fact that I as mentioned in the first emotion question appear very emotional/expressive)

How do you normally react when someone shares their emotions with you? Do you enjoy handling situations like these?

I feel like I’ve said it a bunch but I find emotions fascinating, and I don’t really mind, unless they’re being pushy towards me (Like urging me to smile when I’m really mad). I’m not the best at giving super insightful advice especially with negative emotions and I don’t think saying ‘just don’t’ would work, so sometimes I feel a little like I’m treating the conversation like a science experiment

When others are speaking on topics regarding emotion, are you more inclined to express, engage, or pull away?

If conversations get super emotional I do end up a little more in the background but usually not deliberately, I just don’t always have anything to add then, although I find those conversations pretty interesting to listen to. If I do engage I apparently sound like I’m intellectualising the emotions even when I try to be heartfelt about them

Do you adjust to emotional atmospheres, or do you feel more separate from them?

This question’s going to be influenced by the fact that I’m very likely on the autism spectrum, so there’s only so much adjusting I can successfully pull off without being awkward or spending too much mental energy. I do tend to adjust as much as I’m able to to the other person, especially energy-level wise (If I’m very tired or stressed I’m not as good as it though). If the other person is less energetic or more shy, I tend to become more outspoken/sociable. If the other person is more energetic, I tend to say less and appear calmer

In terms of the emotional atmosphere in general, I still don’t always feel it when in bigger crowds. I always feel extremely awkward during events like concerts because everyone’s clapping and cheering and stuff and I don’t really feel the urge to do any of that no matter how good it is (I am the person who stands there like a statue with a neutral face for the entire performance unless I deliberately tell my body to do something) 

How comfortable are you with conversations focused on emotional vulnerability?

I find it very interesting to listen to, but I’m not the best at advice. I have gotten pretty good at just listening/mirroring/validating(??) the other person though. If I’m the one who has to express vulnerability I end up feeling very awkward because I don’t know how to do so without sounding formal or like I’m downplaying it (I have actually bawled my eyes out in front of my friends precisely once, but I somehow managed to convince them it was an allergic reaction because the concern would feel embarassing). It does make me feel a bit exasperated or sad when I know I can’t give the person the help or advice they’re looking for both because it feels like I’m failing to fix something, but also because I do care about people even if I don’t immediately register it

I'm sort of new to Psychosophy and wanna know what works with e3, spesifically sp3, can I be sp3 and FVLE? Or what other Psychosophy typings can I consider if i’m sp3?

I'm new to psysosophy and AP, I started to study AP and psyhosophy separately just recently, and came to a problem of different types.
And if it can be different what is the corellations between it? Can a person be AP-FVLE and PS-VLEF?

...or more precisely, I don't understand how someone can be 1F. Can a person with 1st physics describe their perspective? It's the only first placement I have trouble understanding the logic behind.

i really thought for sure im LEVF but guess whos having a typology crisis again, i realized i might rely on my emotions more than i thought i do so can i ask a for sure way to determine if im 1E or 1L??? (or 2E and 2L)

For context, im pretty sure that i am a LEVF. I took tests and also read SoL (not all of the book but i do have an idea.).

The thing is, some people claim that LEVF can only be SX5 in enneagram. This makes me feel trapped, i dont think that all people must fit into one box.

I have typed myself SX5, SP4, SO4 and SP6 before (just telling it so that you can understand what type of person i am).

In conclusion i typed myself SP6 but the thing is that 3V+4F is more relatable than 3F+4V.

What are you guys’ opinions about this? I would love to hear some opinions.

can an sp3 be FLEV?, i’ve yet to take a relook at my psychosophy again, but im pretty sure im FLEV.
(again as in after i’ve began considering myself being an sp3).
i typed myself as sp5 for the longest time but i think due to my mental state back then i am an e3 that disintegrated into e9 and just typed myself as sp5 ‘cause its a strong fix if i am truly sp3..
if you want to ask how i realised im sp3 its because i started to question how enneagrams dont change as u grow up and how i fit sp3 way more from childhood.
im a noob when it comes to typology even after all these years pls have mercy on me

idk this always threw me off in psychosophy, i thought emotion would be the determining factor since it dabbles in emotion and the "art" and "beauty" of things so like idrk how it doesnt translate to worldview and mindset n stuff

Basically... i would not describe myself as an emotional personal or one heavily driven by my emotions or personal feelings but i try to act more emotional and may even come accross as too dramatic but it's rarely if ever based on my real feelings and moreso trying to put on a mask of an emotional person as i am never really sure about my real emotions so i just act out a persona i made up to not feel weird about not being able to fit in due to my first instinct to be more serious which is something that happened to me when i was younger so i learned to mimic other people's emotions and copy their expressions but really i very rarely display my real emotions and they moreso come in the form of outbursts and i go back and forth between being interested in people and wanting to be left alone as masking all the time is mentally draining and i sometimws question why i do it as being this way feels more like something imposed to me by other people as like previously mentioned i used to be heavily criticized as a child for never laughing at jokes or crying during movies so i nowadays overcompensate and laugh extremely loud and fake cry a lot at things i think are suppossed to be sad based on the context and i constantly worry about how these expressions may come accross to people and wonder if i am doing it wrong.

so ive always been very confident about being 1V and thought 3V didnt make sense if i felt like i had no real insecure placement. but idk ive been kinda thinking about it since i feel like my definition of 1V (or volition in general) isn’t really correct and some traits i relate with (that i thought was 1V) was actually 3V so,, i have no idea 🥹🥹so if anyone can help that would be very appreciated and id also like to hear reasons why you think id have that volition placement!! 🙏🙏🙏

also sorry for the long post 😅

i often see people saying that 1V can control their other functions well. the thing is, for me, everything depends on whether or not i want it. so i can sometimes dislike things i like or do and enjoy things i dont like. for example i really HATE physical pain and get very annoyed if i feel pain, but sometimes i can just randomly decide that it wont bother me. then it just doesnt. or if i get told by somebody that i need to do something i generally love like drawing, but if i dont really want to then im not gonna do anything. so i can control myself if i try obviously since simply doing something i want can make everything i dislike about it disappear out of nowhere. and i dont tend to complain if it ends up being hard since i decided and want to do this. but if i dont want to then i can even end up acting worse.

if theres something i TRULY want, i tend to do anything to get it. even if i get in big trouble because of it. which is something that happened very often with my parents. they’re very strict and very controlling so they sometimes forced me to follow routines, study for hours, do things that are actually their job since they say i can do it better than them and so on. and i rarely listened to any of that. because it just feels very limitating and i simply don’t want to do it. EXCEPT if they say they will buy me something if i do it for them altho that still depends on my mood 🥹🥹 or they often didnt allow me things that were VERY personal to me, even if i tried convincing them or making “deals”, which frustrated me extremely. so that caused a lot of arguments since i really can NOT hold myself back when it comes to talking back to them and being disrespectful towards them. ive also been trying to make my friends more confrontational and to do what they want more since that’s something they struggle with a lot and it is quite frustrating to look at from the outside. especially since i also think that being unable to do what you want and to force yourself to agree with something is like giving yourself up, which i cant handle at all.

i know that goals dont have that much to do with volition, but still. i dont really have any goals. now i know for sure what i want or stuff, but thats smth that comes in the moment and can obviously change anytime. im someone whos very inconsistent HOWEVER i never had any problems with my identity at all and it might be more because of my dissociative disorder. since im very confident in who i am but i never even think about identity anyway so idk. anyways, i gave up on most of my goals since i lost interest or genuinely forgot about them. idk if this counts as a goal but ive already decided on what i want to study and work as for years and theres NO way anyone can convince me otherwise. since a lot of people have tried for whatever reasons and i either didnt listen at all or got really annoyed.

i mostly dont care about criticism unless its said rudely, then i may get a bit angry. and i think i am somewhat defensive or try to justify or excuse things. however i definitely like constructive criticism. i want to become better and improve myself. so i often want people to tell me if they have a problem with me or if something about me is bothering them. since i personally just want to be more considerate of others and it clears up miscommunication early on. if i did something bad and was unaware of it, then i should still definitely take responsibility for it. its why i tend to tell my friends about my flaws and ask them to be open and honest with me. however i put like zero effort in masking or seeming better (except if its a whole stranger or teacher obvi cuz i do have to seem a bit good but i cant keep it up for longer than 30 minutes or smth 💔) since it just really isnt the first thing on my mind. im somehow very well liked anyway (i keep forgetting i have a ton of friends since i barely count any of them as one except for 2-3 people🥹) but its still something i care about even if i still cant really tell why.

i dont care that much about leadership roles. but i seem to naturally take charge of projects or stuff even when i sometimes dont want it. i have no clue why or how this happens. but i dont mind it that much i guess. i dont think my decisions are influenced by others. my opinions CAN be though especially if i dont really care about it that much or if i just have no idea. and i dont really reject help? like ill still try it by myself the first few times since i just prefer finding out things by myself but if i really cant do it ofcourse id ask someone for help. i also dont think i impose my will on others. i mean i dont really care what others do and they can do what they want as long as it doesnt get in my way.

idk all i know is im most likely aggressive volition ✌️

idk this js got me thinking, i keep hearing this in the community but i dont really know why this is so

Im not gonna say much but basically it contradicts the theory, it treats the placements as a personality trait. I remember the functions were also kind of described as personality traits in sol which i think Alexander Afanasyev should’ve wrote better but maybe it’s a translation problem idk