r/Ultramarathon

Image 1 — 50k training 6 weeks out! Needs some advice Please and thank you!
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50k training 6 weeks out! Needs some advice Please and thank you!

Back here to ask for some feedback from this great community!

INTRO: Iam 6 weeks out from my 1st 50k. I have ran 5 marathons and have done several shorter distance races, and have been running for 4 years. Marathon PR: 3:39 Half: 1:38
Looking to try trail races for the summer

—Sooo I had the worst feeling Long run of 16 miles on the 2 loop course where I will be running the race yesterday. I felt gassed/tired 3.5 miles into the run and hamstrings started tightening up. It’s 3 miles of straight climbing left and still and a bit more after that, so I pushed through and hiked and took breaks to catch my breathe. After mile 8 it’s mostly downhill coming back but not all and I still needed to walk mostly. Started running out of water at 11 miles. Finished but I obviously ran out of water too early too.

This run ended up feeling like I just needed to survive 1 mile at a time. I haven’t felt this bad on a long run in a long time and I did this exact training week, 3 weeks ago and felt ok. 54 miles with back to back long run 12 then 16 miles and same route too! Except I did that 16 mile run at avg 12 min pace and yesterday I did avg 15 min pace. Only thing I added differently was some at home squats and lunges. Maybe my 8x400s this week was too much?

QUESTION: Was this just a bad week since everything else so far has been great? Getting warmer. Should I adjust my plan and reduce overall mileage per week? Maybe no more speed work since I am focusing on elevation 3-4 times a week?

GOAL: Last 2 weeks may have been difficult because summer days and I only have 3 weeks of building left. The part of training we all know too well of when easy days are also hard to want to get out there. Goal was to finish the 29.5 mile race (Bulldog 50k) with 5100 ft. elevation gain I. just under 6 hours but maybe too ambitious for my first ultra? That would be 12:10 pace per mile.

u/Bolt21LA248 — 6 hours ago

Cairngorms Ultra - Potentially The Most Remote Spot of Any Ultra in the UK (Corrour Bothy)

Just a couple of minutes from a 65km ultra I did a couple of years ago.

u/effortDee — 18 hours ago
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250 laps around a track

I ran 250 laps around a track starting at midnight on 4th of July in honor of 250 years of American Independence. Glad I finished with plenty of time to enjoy festivities.

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u/JensDAWG — 16 hours ago

ADHD meds on race day

I’ve got a 24 hour mountain race next weekend and currently on my 6th week of 50mg elvanse. I’ve been training on it and doing fine (other than 10bpm higher average than pre medication). I’ve been ultra running for years and have a few 100 mile + finishes so my hydration and calorie intake etc are pretty well dialled in… The only variable that’s worrying me on this race is whether to take my medication on the morning of the race as I usually would? I guess options are 1. skip medication altogether 2. Take at the same time I usually would and just keep a close eye on hydration and food intake 3. Take my dose in the evening of the first day to carry me through the night so I don’t have a huge crash when the dark sets in 4. Push my dose earlier so more of the race is covered eg dose at 5am and again at 3am..

Main concerns are having a big crash once it wears off at night and/or over loading my cardiovascular system with the effects of the elvanse plus physical exertion.

Any advice much appreciated

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u/tom-277 — 23 hours ago

Booking through Nirvana for car-free runners?

The remote locations of trail races is both a blessing and a curse. As someone who doesn't drive, access to and from the start line and accommodations is always a consideration in selecting a race. I'm wondering if there are folks who have used Nirvana to book for that reason and can speak about their experience.
I'm looking at running the Grindstone 50k in Virginia. Megabus or Amtrak can get me to the area. After that I'll probably need several local trips: to hotel, to and from packet pickup, to and from race, and back to train station/bus stop. Nirvana supposedly can provide those trips though they don't exactly offer details. Are there runners here who have used Nirvana for those trips? Are they more or less dependable than getting a rideshare? Is the price better or worse than a rideshare? Can you depend on rideshare early mornings in rural places?

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u/adjones — 15 hours ago

does your coach send you a weekly questionnaire?

trying to figure out if what I'm experiencing is normal with coaches. If you have a virtual running coach, do they send you a weekly questionnaire? Or is it up to you to communicate with them weekly?

And does your coach ever comment or review workouts/send feedback?

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u/Superb-Cat9466 — 1 day ago

Knee pain after 53 mile ultra

Let me start by saying that I am not looking for medical advice necessarily, however, to see if anyone has some insight as to what happened/is going on with my knee.

I trained for and ran a 12 hour ultra on the treadmill spanning 53 miles for my own personal goals. No pain really at all until the last hour or so which I summed up to be fatigue. This was months ago at this point and since then I have been out of commission.

I have been to the doctor 3 times with no MRI. He admittedly misdiagnosed me with ITBS because I was going to go for a shot in my knee and when describing where the pain was for the 3rd time he said, "oh that's not ITBS and it shouldn't hurt there. No shot. Sorry."

I am having pain on my lateral side of my left knee basically around the fibular head. No swelling, no redness, no burning sensation. I seem to really only have pain when I run. I can walk, ride the bike, stretch, weight lift with basically no pain at all.

I'm in a bad place mentally because of this because running has been my life for a number of years. Please any advice or insight helps.

TLDR: lateral knee pain around fibular head after ultra marathon on treadmill.

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u/Jjjolkgfh — 1 day ago

Just wanted to say a huge thanks!

I posted last week about my son doing his first ultra and asked advice regarding what food to bring etc. He completed the Ultra today and did really well for his first one. He was 6.38hrs and really appreciated the hyping at the aid stations, we had signs and although he had a bit of a wobble at 35km mark, he pushed through. Thanks for all your advice it really helped and I realise that if I’d have done what I was originally planning it wouldn’t have been a great idea, so I took all the advice on board and it was a fab day. He’s now walking like he’s shit his pants but not a blister in sight, so that’s a win too I think! Thanks again.
I’m bloody exhausted hahaha 😉😉

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u/Suspicious_Put_5063 — 2 days ago

First 100k - Rabid Racoon or Desert Rats?

I’m looking to do my first 100k in the first half of 2027. I do want to make sure it is a Western States Qualifier. I have experience with marathons and will be completing a 50k later this year. Both events seem great but very different. Interested in everyone’s thoughts.

Btw, I am familiar with the climates and terrain with both having lived both in Arizona and in the Appalachian mountains.

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u/No_Chair_6775 — 2 days ago

Making the jump from marathon to first 50k - how did you structure your training build?

After running marathons for a few years I finally signed up for a 50k trail race this fall and honestly have no idea how different the training should look compared to marathon prep.

I have a decent aerobic base, usually running around 45 to 50 miles per week during marathon builds, and I can comfortably run back to back long runs on weekends. The race I signed up for has around 4500 feet of elevation gain, which is more than anything I have trained on before.

What I am trying to figure out is whether I should focus more on time on feet rather than pace and mileage, how much vertical gain to work into my weekly runs, and whether back to back long runs should be the cornerstone of the whole build.

I have been looking at a few plans including David Roche's approach but would love to hear from people who actually went through this transition. Did your marathon fitness transfer well or did the trails and elevation feel like starting from scratch?

Also curious whether people think a 50k needs a full taper or whether it is better to treat it more like a hard training day and not overthink race week prep.

Any advice from people who have made this jump would be really helpful.

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u/StrikingYam4967 — 2 days ago

Elevation Training

I’m training for the Run Woodstock 50k Trail race in September. The longest race I’ve done is a 5k on pavement… Ive been training all summer and have done up to 17 miles or 3 hour long run on trail cause I train by time. Hovering around 30-45 mile weeks.

Looking for a stair master workout instead of doing hill repeats cause the trail i train you can see above doesn’t have much elevation. It has one big hill that’s tough but I feel stair master work would be more beneficial.

Any suggestions?

u/YounghoeKoo7 — 3 days ago

Bucket list races (that are not Western States)?

I'm over here on the injured train sadly, but using my *downtime* to think about next year and what races could be fun!

I love races that are historic..... I've done Vermont and Umstead (and loved both), so I kind of want to run Old Dominion. The HURT 100 looks so hard and spectacular too, but it is so far away!

What are some races you've eyed for a long time but have not yet entered (or entered the lottery for)?

Bonus point if they are pretty accessible for East Coasters....

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u/Runannon — 4 days ago

What is the best time to start?

I'm running my first 50k ultramarathon next weekend, and I am wondering when you guys would recommend to start the run (from personal experience).

Its not an official race, but I am simply running around my town until I finish, so I can pick my own time. Either I can start in the daytime and finish in peak afternoon heat, or I can start in the evening heat and finish in the cool night.

Thoughts? Thanks!

EDIT: I am running in the early morning now. Thanks for the helpful advice!

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u/MmMmmDonutsss — 4 days ago

Stomach and ribs pain

Hi folks!

I have just run Lavaredo and I experienced for the third time in a row in an ultra severe pain in my lower stomach and also in my ribs.

its weird, at first it starts with my upper body getting somehow rigid and then the pain moves to the lower part of my stomach/intestines and it makes me slow downa lot when going uphill. When going downhill or running flat, no issues.

i have tried paying attention to my posture, trying not to go close my chest so much when going uphill and also balancing better the weight of my vest, and not just placing everything in the front. I have also started doing more core and back work this year to improve resistance but it’s still happening.

Anyone has experienced the same?? any suggestions or ideas to experiment? many thanks in advance 🙂

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u/ShockKey6767 — 3 days ago
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First 100 Mile

Blackbeards revenge really piqued my interest. I have never run 100 miles but have done the MCM Ultra and a couple of races that were several days (running/biking/ kayaking). Is it too ambitious to undertake 100mile ultra next March? If not who has any training/ gear recommendations for me!?

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u/BarracudaEconomy7005 — 3 days ago

I spent 90 minutes talking with Bob Becker after his record-breaking Badwater finish. These were my biggest takeaways

For those who may not know Bob, he started running in his late 50s and, last year, at 80 years old, became the oldest official finisher of Badwater 135. What makes it even more remarkable is that just a couple of years earlier, he had covered the entire course but missed the cutoff by only 17 minutes. Most people would've let that be the ending. Bob came back and finished the job.

I thought this conversation would be especially relevant for those of us who are not just training for the next race or the next season, but hoping to keep running, performing, and taking on hard things well into our later years.

A few things that some of us here will appreciate, esp if we want to keep our love of running strong as we get older :

Consistency beats almost everything else - Bob has some lung issues and freely admits he probably shouldn't be able to run the distances he does. He credits two decades of consistently staying fit far more than any single training block or breakthrough workout.

Learn the difference between productive pain and dangerous pain- One of my favorite parts of the conversation was hearing how he decides whether to keep pushing or back off. That judgment isn't something you're born with. It's something you earn over years of paying attention to your body.

Your training has to evolve with age- He doesn't try to train like a 40-year-old. Recovery matters more. Strength work matters more. Listening matters more. His goal isn't to prove he hasn't aged, but it's to keep adapting. He gives lots of credit to his coach Lisa Smith-Batchen.

One race doesn't get to write your story.-Missing the Badwater cutoff by 17 minutes could easily have been the final chapter. Bob never saw it that way. He simply viewed it as unfinished business.

Starting late isn't a disadvantage.-He didn't even begin running until his late 50s. I think that's a pretty humbling reminder that endurance is a long game, and there are still reasonable goals waiting for people who start much later than they think they should.

For folks out there, are there are practices, routines etc you are following to continue to run strong in your 50s, 60s, 70s, or even beyond?

Full disclosure: I host a podcast called Ageless Athlete. This post came out of my second conversation with Bob, which was released this week. Feel free to listen via this link on Apple or wherever you listen.

u/MaleficentFloor822 — 4 days ago

Tips for crewing my first byu

I've signed up to crew my first backyard ultra this weekend. I've run ultras before, but this will be my first time on the other side of the aid station, and I want to do the best I can for my runner. For those who've crewed or run one, what tips or lessons made the biggest difference? What do first-time crews often forget? I'd appreciate any advice or things you wish you'd known. Thanks in advance!

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u/Sayswhosaysyou — 3 days ago

GTC100 Sapin to Suche Damon

The first image is the second gully after Sapin. There's a stream underneath it. I clambered down the wet soil about 10m and crossed where there was no snow. The second image is the last gully, the widest and most difficult. The snow is only a couple of cm deep but it's steep and slippy. Not sure what they'll do on race day. There was a lot less snow late on this year but oddly it's hung around longer than last year. If you're not front of pack you probably don't need to worry about the gullies and there will probably be a well trodden path by the time you get there.

u/ContributionLevel593 — 3 days ago

David Roche's Beginner 50k plan?

I'm currently running 30 MPW (trails) and planning to run my first 50k in November. Does anyone have experience using (or general thoughts on) this plan?

Likes:

  • 5 days per week (what I'm currently doing)
  • Relatively low weekly mileage (peaks at 45 MPW)
  • Running day after long run, to get experience running on tired legs

Things I'm unsure about:

  • Focus seems to be on short/fast intervals as opposed to tempo/threshold runs
  • Does the taper look OK?

Thank you in advance!

u/z3115v2 — 6 days ago

Nutrition strategies for overnight races

In three weeks I'll be running a 90 km race with 6000m of elev.gain that starts at 10 p.m. It will be my first overnight race.

To avoid being unprepared, this weekend I'll be doing my final long run on the race course, and I've decided to do it at night.

Do you change your nutrition strategy during the night, or do you stick to the same plan?

When are the best times to take caffeine?

Is it realistic to complete a race of around 16 hours using only gels?

So far, my longest race has been 10 hours, and I was able to consume 70 g of carbohydrates per hour without any issues. Do you have any advice or anything you'd recommend I experiment with during this weekend's long run?

Thanks!

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u/Fibiz — 4 days ago