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would a therapist forget if their client was assaulted?

So, I'm genuinely worried my therapist forgot. I find it really hard to talk about, but I told her all the details, which is important because she'd be the only person other than myself and the perpatrator (my ex) who knows what happened. She's also the person who told me it was sexual assault, before that I didn't really "understand" what happened other than I knew I was scared and confused. She specidlfically told me she wouldn't bring it up herself but that doesn't mean she forgot. However, she can be forgetful, usually only over small things and I've been seeing her for some time so if I've not mentioned something in years I can't expect her to remember, we're both human at the end of the day. But she's said a few things that make me think that either she's forgotten or she's testing the water to see if I can bring it up... I can't tell which it is.

But the other thing is that she started talking about my ex enjoying bdsm and that he should get more into that scene, almost as though the problem my ex and I had was that he was into kink when I wasn't, like it was a mismatch in preference. It confused me, like previoysly she told me what I experienced was abuse but idk it almost felt like, if I was into this as a kink it'd be okay when it was very nonconsensual and my ex acknowledged that at the time and told me he preferred it that way.

When it comes to this topic and the way people speak about it, I can be incredibly sensitive, and I have misinterpreted things and needed to take a beat to think. So I don't know if she's trying to make an entirely different point to what I'm interpreting. (Yes I know I need to talk to her, I will when I understand my own thougjts a bit better) (NAT).

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u/Icy_Acanthisitta3914 — 6 hours ago
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I think there are significant omissions in the Sky King Richard "Beebo" Russell Sky King Case

For background: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_Horizon_Air_Bombardier_Q400_incident

TLDR: Sky King was heavily into his faith which puts a lot of pressure on men to provide for their families. His specific church believed this and those around him did and this apparent fact has never been deeply explored, especially by the FBI. By not exploring it, we leave many stones unturned and potentially don’t understand the source of his pain, which could hurt other men. 

Most people think they know the story of Richard “Beebo” Russell. I have been following this sad tale ever since it happened, since it is at the intersection of aviation and faith, two topics that I have long been interested in. In case anyone is wondering, my interest preceded the recent Hulu documentary, which I did watch with great interest.

I often find in life, like the late and highly controversial Donald Rumsfeld, that sometimes you have to look at what is not said, what questions are not asked, and consider what you do not know. 

“As we know, there are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say, we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns—the ones we don't know we don't know,” Secretary of Defense, Donald Rumsfeld, 2002. Now I’m not a fan of Rumsfeld, but he is on to something here. Sometimes there are hidden truths in the unknown. Things that are important to understand, but are missing. The worst offenders are those things we need to know but do not know. 

The story of Beebo goes like this. On August 10, 2018, a Horizon Air (Alaska Air owned) employee ground service employee named Richard “Beebo” Russell, stole a Bombardier Q400 commuter turboprop from Sea-Tac Airport. For 75 minutes, he flew around the Seattle area, before intentionally crashing into a remote island. The FBI issued a 567 page report into the matter, which was very serious, because while he was in the air, nobody knew his intentions, beyond what he was verbally saying, which was to not harm anyone. The FBI concluded that there was no single reason for his actions - but bear in mind, this was the 2018 FBI, and it is known that this was an FBI very reluctant to look at certain things, particularly Christianity. 

During the flight, Beebo complained about the hard life of a ramp service worker briefly, had fun at times, but also said he was just a broken guy with a few screws loose. He also reportedly texted his wife that she deserves better.

We know that Beebo had owned a bakery with his wife Hannah Russell before selling it to be closer to Hannah’s family, the Stracener family of Sumner, Washington. We also know that he attended Gateway Chapel in Sumner, Washington, headed by Pastor David Odell, who was asked in the aftermath not to speak about Richard Russell. This is just one of many instances of the Hannah’s family, the Straceners, being secretive. They also declined to participate in the recent Hulu documentary and Hannah herself cut off contact with Beebo’s family, or so it has been reported. The Straceners are very quiet and Hannah has never given a direct interview, which is strange in cases like this.

“David Odell, pastor at Russell’s Auburn church, also declined to discuss Russell, citing the family’s wishes. “In the statement where it says it’s a complete shock, it’s just 100 percent true,” Odell said, as reported in the Seattle Times. 

So everyone thinks that Beebo simply snapped and took a plan for a joyride. However, I propose this theory, based on the evidence:

  1. Beebo and Hannah meet at a church function in Oregon when they are both going to school.
  2. They get married.
  3. They are both heavily involved in evangelical christianity, including CRU, Young Life and later Gateway Church, a small church that bounces around Washington before settling in Sumner, Washington, where Hannah’s family lives. The pastor at the time that Beebo and Hannah are attending is David Odell. 
  4. Beebo and Hannah are running a bakery in North Bend, Oregon. Eventually, they sell to be closer to Hannah’s family in Sumner, Washington. Beebo had wanted to move to Alaska, but Hannah was not on board. 
  5. Beebo goes from being a respected business owner, to being a low paid ground service agent for Horizon, making literally less than a McDonald’s worker.. As I will lay out as you read on, this created stress for Beebo, because his faith calls him to be a provider. “But if anyone does not provide for his own, and especially for those of his household, he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever,” 1 Timothy 5:8
  6. Hannah’s family and the church and perhaps Hannah herself, pressure Beebo to be more than he is, and this pressure, along with working like an absolute dog at the airport, drive him to end it all. He was a bit of a goofy guy, married to a perfectionist (this was reported in interviews about their bakery in Oregon) and was crushed by the weight of the church’s expectations and perhaps the Stracener family.

 

The family statement after the fact simply reaffirmed their belief in God. There was very little if anything in the way of empathy towards his specific situation. “We are devastated by these events and Jesus is truly the only one holding this family together right now,” a family spokesperson read, before mentioning Jesus again, thanking him for his holy steadfast love. Lots of Jesus; no comment on his specific complaints about low pay or anything else. The Straceners followed up this feeling of keeping the family together under Jesus by cutting off Beebo’s family. 

So why should we care? There are approximately 80 million Christian men in the United States. In my own personal dealings with these men, many are somewhat reserved, and it is clear to me, since some have been my friends, that more lies beneath. As the economy continues to crush men (and women) it will be harder and harder for these men to make the grade called upon by their faith and those around them. Traditional families were often built under economic conditions that were possible in the past, but due to the relentless desire of the 1 percent to extract as much value out of us peons as possible, success is not always possible at the same level as it was for those men’s role models. 

I now need to back up my theory, which to be clear is just that, a theory. Had the FBI done the type of job they would have done if Beebo was Muslim, for example, or even Sheik, we would not be here right now. 

David Odell was, according to the Seattle Times, Beebo’s pastor. So what does David believe? What was he filling Beebo and Hannah’s head with? Fortunately, dear reader, we can get a good sense of this from Calvary Church in The Dalles, Oregon, where he is the head pastor today.

“We believe the Bible is God’s absolute, objective truth for all people for all times. It is without error in concept or detail in the original writings. It is breathed out in its entirety by God, divinely preserved, and, therefore, trustworthy,” reads the church’s website. Message me for links if you like, Reddit does not play nice with links so I don’t include them here. What Odell’s church is saying, is that everything in the Bible should be taken literally. This means when 1st Timorthy told Beebo that he was a worse than a non-believer for not providing enough, that was absolute truth. This might be why Beebo messaged Hannah mid-flight that she “deserved better.”

A sermon of Odell’s church where he is head pastor stated a year ago that men have a “responsibility to lead protect and provide for his wife.” There really is no daylight here in faiths that practice biblical literalness. The man MUST provide and that is a primary way in which he is judged. Beebo likely felt judged and that here was a test, from on high, that he was failing. 

The church where Beebo’s funeral was held in August 2018, also believes in the same things. Lighthouse Christian Center recommends Stu Weber’s book, Four Pillars of a Man’s Heart, which pushes men hard to be “kings” of their own domain, which is their family and home. Loading bags onto planes does not accomplish this. Beebo was working at Horizon primarily for free flights to Alaska, where his family was. It’s not hard to imagine a traditional God fearing family like the Straceners being ashamed of a husband who works alongside the “dregs” of society in their eyes to make a pittance loading baggage. 

What is the point of this? To suggest that Beebo’s story is not just about low pay, but about how faith often fails those who are mentally ill. You can’t pray away depression, at least not in a lasting way. Beebo needed help, and those who were around him, especially on Hannah’s side, may not have been ready to provide. Or I could be totally one hundred percent wrong here. This is also possible. But I doubt I’m not at least somewhat right. There should be a reckoning in the Christian community based on this and other incidents. But that cannot happen if people can’t talk freely, if they can’t question the bible, and if they hide behind a wall of silence, as it appears the Straceners are doing right now. Saying he was just a guy who snapped is likely leaving out the very important nuance of the environment that created his mindset. It deserves exploration. 

Wiki article on incident

https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/he-was-a-jokester-who-complained-about-his-job-but-friends-still-baffled-by-richard-russells-airplane-heist/

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u/SirCatsworthTheThird — 17 hours ago

Do therapist secretly discourage clients to not engage/ get involved in romantic or deep relationships, for clients who have a clinical diagnosis of a combination of cluster B personality disorders including NPD?

Do they perhaps do this to protect the other person and for ethical reasons?

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u/Unaccompaniedbyminor — 15 hours ago

Will my therapist have to report this?

I just want to know before telling her everything, she knows i've tried these drugs but i didn't tell her who i was with.

for context i grew up with a meth addict mother and started living with my grandma because of it, me and my grandma often smoke weed together.

recently she let my try cocaine.... then mdma.... then mushrooms..... then meth (bought from my addict mother)

we even smoked it with my mother, we both know what awful things have happened because of this drug but we did it anyway.
i liked it first but it just made me feel dirty, hypocritical and disgusting after

my grandma kept asking me to do it with her more and said stuff like "c'mon! it's not fun without you!" i eventually learned to keep saying no despite her efforts and i'm proud of that but i'm extremely worried about her

we did meth every day for multiple days. she said she stopped but i'm not entirely sure, she's been cleaning the house all day for like 3 days and i've only seen her do that while she was on it.

i'm ashamed of trying it and i never plan on doing it again but i'd really like to know if there are any legal consequences to telling my therapist this especially while i'm underage. i do NOT want to risk being forced to live away from my grandmother and i really don't want to get her in trouble but at the same time i really want to talk to my therapist about it

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u/Vensilly — 16 hours ago

What do you feel when you hear details about patients SI?

I have chronic SI, usually it just kinda lingers in the back of my head but sometimes it’s louder. I dont tell people about it, except my therapist and lately I’ve been more open to them about the deep dark thoughts I have. It feels really awful and vulnerable. So I’m wondering when you have clients who have SI who aren’t active threats to themselves but who have morbid thoughts, what do you feel? I know you’re all taking time to assess the situation to determine imminent risk and safety concerns but outside of that. Are you so desensitized to these things that you don’t bat an eye or do you feel sad or worried for people? Sometimes I kind of want to ask my therapist what’s going on in their head when I share these things but I imagine I won’t get an answer, at least not a real one.

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u/Final_Prune3903 — 15 hours ago

Is my cousin allowed to seek trauma therapy if they have a revenge fantasy?

I'm about to lay out a complicated situation, but I have no one else I can really ask.

My cousin has had an extremely deep traumatic wound for over a decade because his uncle murdered his beloved aunt and was able to get away with it scot-free. Every single person on his side of the family has either privately or openly said they would kill said uncle if they were given the chance.

My cousin says this disqualifies him from receiving the therapy that he DESPERATELY needs, because the therapist would be required to turn him into the police. Is this really true, or is he free to seek therapy? In USA, if that helps.

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u/SushiDaddy89 — 20 hours ago

Do you ever get together with your therapist posse and watch messed up characters in film to diagnose them and debate their treatment needs?

Who’s got the treatment protocol planned out for Patrick Bateman?

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u/avoidant_fatigue — 21 hours ago

Can therapists tell when you lie or something?

Including but not limited to: (1) about general inquiries; (2) when they give follow up questions and; (3) about stuff that might get you sent to the hospital

If so, does it take a seasoned one or not really?

Thanks!

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u/owemjeeee — 20 hours ago

How do therapists percieve client attachment?

I've been working with my therapist over a year now and have gotten attached to her. In general, she's just a great therapist. She remembers details we've discussed from a while ago and, additionally, manages to connect our discussions across sessions really well for continuity. She's also warm, emotionally attuned and makes me feel cared for​. Being at the recieving end of this attention has made me develop some loving and affectionate feelings towards her that I've never brought up in session. I really want her to give me a hug and for her to say that she cares about me, in a way being sort of a stand in parental figure to me. But I feel shame over these feelings and don't want to tell her about them because I know they'll never be reciprocal.

How do therapists view attachments like this developing in therapy? I imagine that it must be kind of weird because of how one sided it is. Looking at it objectively, I have all these really strong positive feelings towards her but, also, I don't really know her personally so I'm not attached to her per se, more like I'm attached to how she treats me or what she represents. Do therapists view attachment developing as something positive/negative? Or is it like data that needs to be interpreted?

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u/Jmaxx2000 — 1 day ago

My therapists don’t actually listen to me?

My therapists never actually hear me out?

Current therapist: I told her I use 🍃 to cope with executive dysfunction and energy consumption. Her solution: exercise 💀 which depletes my energy and makes me too stimulated.

Past therapist: I told her I used 🍃 because of boredom and lack of stimulation. Her solution: coloring books 😅

How do I get them to actually listen to me. I believe I’m pretty fucking uncomplicated. I tell my therapists why I have a 🍃 problem. They always give solutions that are not even relevant. Yes I have autism and ADHD but how can you give a solution that logically contradicts with my problem like the coloring book? How does that even happen? So I think what’s happening is I would say stuff in therapy, they would hum and acknowledge it verbally and pretend to understand, when in reality they have no idea what to do to help my situation.

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u/ParfaitOk6440 — 20 hours ago

What is normal adult human supposed to be like?

I don't get it. What is the benchmark in therapy.

Is there an ideal type of human you have in mind when treating patients?

Do perfectly healthy mentally people exist?

What are they like? How did they get there? How do they act? What are their characteristics?

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u/glykannisus — 1 day ago

How do therapists deal with self aware teenagers with dismissive parents?

I am quiet self aware and this will be my first time getting a therapy session, but my parents are very dismissive of my stress and anxiety issues. They don't acknowledge what I've been going through and it's extremely frustrating.

All I've been hearing for years is that it's all my fault.

I asked them to get me to therapy but they started off with gaslighting me repeatedly.

I am very afraid. Will the therapist be dismissive? Will she even acknowledge my problems?

I've heard she's quiet popular and great in her field but I am thinking how my parents will act after getting back home. They always act like I am the problem so I might get attacked after coming back home.

I am going with my parents (if it matters in the context)

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u/Still-Alive007 — 1 day ago

Is it hard to switch "off" your professional side with friends and family?

When you interact with family and friends, do you find yourself (sub)consciously analyzing them? Do you sometimes find yourself talking to them in a therapist way rather then as a friend? Or would you tell them if you notice something, e.g. a friend who's self-destructive etc?

Or do friends and family come to you for advice as a therapist? And your like, urgh, I'm at home leave me alone 😜

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u/Boring-Car-7044 — 1 day ago

Is it normal for a psychiatrist to diagnose Borderline Personality Disorder in one appointment?

I'm asking this in the context of the doctor already having read a detailed report by a psychologist talking about the present symptoms and such

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u/FlowAmbitious2458 — 24 hours ago

Not sure how to process what I witnessed today?

Today I was at the beach alone and I took a swim in the shallows. I’d been told to be weary of currents so I was sure to stay close to shore, came out, lay in the sun, and fell asleep.

I awoke to a huge flock of birds flying overhead and at first I thought how beautiful, then heard a child scream. As I sat up and came to my senses, I noticed a large group of teenage kids gathered at the shore yelling. The next thing I know there are firemen and life guards rushing the water, with more and more arriving by the second, then boats, and helicopters.

I went up to two onlookers who told me that they’d just seen a child get swept under the water. There was a man nearby who was lying down exhausted and hyperventilating; turned out he’d just jumped in and tried to save the kid right as it was happening, but couldn’t.

I watched for a while in disbelief. An hour later, the rescue efforts stopped. No body was found.

I don’t know what to feel right now. It’s odd, because I didn’t see the actual event, but I was there right as his friends began to realize what was happening. I feel like I don’t have permission to grieve because I didn’t witness it. Is there a term for this type of experience? I can’t even imagine what his friends are going through, what it was like when his family found out, or the people who saw it happen, so part of me feels like I shouldn’t be feeling this way. Is it something I should kind of let it go, or if it’s something I should work through, and if so, how to do it.

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CLIENTS: Are you aware of/interested in your treatment plan?

Mods, remove if it’s not allowed. I am a therapist curious about client perspectives.

1- Do you have a sense of what your treatment plan is?

This could either mean you’ve actually reviewed the written document and have a meaningful shared understanding of it with your therapist, or you can somewhat confidently say “I am in therapy working towards X, Y and Z goals by doing A, B, and C things with my therapist” and you’ve talked about that pretty explicitly with your therapist.

2- Whether your answer is yes or no, how do you feel about that? Is it very helpful to know? Is it difficult or frustrating not to? Do you prefer for that to be something the therapist worries about and you just get to have your sessions? Would it feel awkward to initiate that conversation? Did your therapist make it comfortable?

I’m just curious.

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u/Feral_fucker — 1 day ago

Should I ask another professional’s opinion on my problematic behaviors?

Hello, I started therapy a couple of years ago because I was struggling with my will to live, immediately I got attached to him and googled him, looked at his socials frequently too see what he was up to etc.

2 months later we started, I was having one of my walks and I had the urge to walk by his office (like on the street where it is) because I remembered he told me the session before he would have been back from his holiday that day and I wanted to see if he was there? (Like, see if the lights were on from outside, not actually see him or look through the windows).
I thought even about lingering nearby because I was missing our sessions a lot (the holiday lasted a month) but I was able to kick myself home after a couple of minutes.

A few days later I was having a walk again because I had to go to a store nearby and I wanted to pass by that street again, I could have took a different route but I wasn’t able to resist it.

I felt so guilty and disgusted and I promised myself to never do it again.
4 months passed and I was able to stop doing this but then I found his address (from the IVA) and went there (I was already outside so I didn’t get out of my house just to do this but still, creepy) to see if there was his name (it was a flat complex not a single house) and then left. Just like the studio, it also happened once (don’t remember if it was the same day or another) that I passed in front of it when I was having a walk and thought about lingering but again kicked myself home.

I don’t think I did because I wanted to spy him and understand his routines, where he goes in his free time to randomly meet him or anything like that, I think it just reassured me knowing he was there even tho I actually didn’t know if he there in that moment (not trying to justify myself, just explaining my thoughts process).

Again, promised to never do this again and for almost a year and a half I did nothing, except looking at his public social. Unfortunately 2 months ago I did something bad again: I was in my car after running some errands and I saw him get in the car near the hospital. I knew he was going to his studio because he told me his work schedule and for some reason I wanted to verify it (and I think I just wanted to see if it was really him that I saw) and went to his studio too and drove by but he was (thank god) already inside.
A few days later this happened I also made fake accounts to add his wife and friends because I wanted to see more pictures of him.

I am not in love with him and never intended to harm him nor interact with him because actually I was scared to be seen but I still wish I never did any of this, I am not there constantly and for hours as these are the only times it happened and I don’t get out from my house with the intention of doing this but I think this is still stalking.

I want to never do any of this again, I permanently deleted the fake accounts and I am not even checking his public socials anymore because I don’t want to feed this obsession and make it escalate again. It already feels much better, I should have realized that something as small as frequently checking if he posted something was fueling it and that the responsibility to not act on these feelings is completely mine, a professional can help me but can’t stop me, and being able to refrain to google them etc has made me feel much more in control in general. I can keep this streak of normal behavior and I want to. It’s not like I always have these thoughts and “urges” and make calculated plans ahead to do something so I don’t understand why it happened but so far I haven’t gotten them anymore at all, not even when I randomly see him.

I didn’t tell him anything because I don’t want him to feel unsafe but I wanted to fix this so I thought about simply switching and today I went to another therapist to talk honestly about these behaviors. She said I didn’t do anything bad, illegal or dangerous and the intent wasn’t harmful and that I should just go back and talk to him about this attachment to work through it, even without disclosing my behaviors.

She assumed at first I was doing this out of attraction to him but I explained to her that I don’t want anything more from him than being my therapist so then she said that maybe I wanted to apply some sort of control over him but that’s not it at all, I don’t want to possess, control or harm him. I told her my guess was attachment/dependency and I was seeking reassurance, maybe it’s because I feel like he lies to me and he’s very inconsistent with appointments: for example, sometimes he tells me we need to schedule very far because he’s full, then next time we check our appointments he would say “why we have an appointment so far? There must have been some issues I guess” and a lot more of things like this where he was so confusing, actually the times where in a month I got my spot as agreed were very rare and I always suffered for this a lot. (Not because I was mad at him or held resentment, I’ve never been angry at him but in the sense that I was hurt and would cry thinking not even my therapist cares).

She said I didn’t do anything wrong in her eyes because it’s not like I burned his car or killed his wife.

I didn’t expect her to tell me this and I can’t agree with her at all, I think what I did is severe and not “normal”. What should I do? Listen to her or try with a third professional?

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Is it true that some therapists sometimes give a BPD diagnosis to patients that they just do not like or who they think are "difficult"? Could a therapist here please explain clinically what is actually happening/going wrong in this kind of patient-therapist dynamic?

I'm very curious about what is happening clinically during a misdiagnosis, especially for serious and potentially consequential diagnosis like a PD; both in cases where it's done consciously and unconsciously by the therapist. I'm assuming the vast majority of therapists are well meaning and so arrive at a misdiagnosis in good faith, but I also want to know what would cause a therapist to intentionally misdiagnose. I have a few working theories, but I really welcome the input of people who are actually familiar with the process of diagnosis and personal anecdotes.

How do clinicians work with their own biases and countertransference to ensure that the way they are seeing the presenting issue is not in fact distorted and how might this process go awry? There is just so much room for interpretation in the way people show up and behave.

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u/Cheetolite — 1 day ago

What does NSDSH mean?

I have like this lose dx thing from my psych a few years ago and I was never told what it meant could someone please clear it up for me ts is keeping me up at night lmao

I have this form that literally has a section that just say ADHD+NSDSH+EATING DISORDER

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u/leahanar — 1 day ago