im 24m in a very early stage w a 20f and this is kinda a lot of text to describe the exact situation im in right now. i will say its not as long as it looks it was just a lot to type. i could really use soke tips tho or insight or suggestions or just clarity if there is something i am missing...
so ive been seein this girl for about a month. met her randomly off of tinder. day 1 SHE pulled up ON ME and SHE SCOOPED ME at like 3am... so off rip im thinkin ok this girl cool, she prolly tryna fuck, etc. thats all i thought of it at first..
so considering all that im interested and altho i (as the man) usually am the driver and planner, i decide this is diff and tbh if i just go w the flow then the ball is in her court unless if she literally passes it to me (as in her sayin, 'what u tryna do?' type shit). so that was my mindset, main plan being to "jus go with the flow.." also i was prepared for her to also just bail, stop replying, ghost, or hit me w "some unexpected event just occured, lets hangout another time," or jus for it to be some typa set up. i give her the address to a house down my street as if it was mine and i waited.
anyways back to what i was sayin... to my surprise, she pulls up right when she said she would all late, or early, however that goes (around 3am). Everything so far appears fine aside from 1 red flag, that is if i was seeing this girl as sum more than a hookup. That red flag was that she was coming to me after she was done hanging at the bar "with her homies." Instantly that made me raise an eyebrow but thats just my natural instinct when its a girl im goin for sum more with. at the time all it was in my head is im thinking we gonna fool around and its not nun serious,but for later in the story this changes. We stay local and she parks up in a walmart parking lot. Everything seemed green except her choice to park in the middle of the almost empty lot and her car being a fish bowl.
So i figured in my head "well cross that bridge when we get there" in reference to the fish bowl/parking spot and just autopilot as if its any other time w all green lights.... were in the creating small talk part of it and its going well, nothing too too crazy but definately better than an average convo. like i said she was cool. and she got bonus points in my boom also bc she is def a reverse catfish(looks much better irl than in photos, but i hesitate saying catfish bc she still looks good in photos).
Eventually we end up leaving. not before we actually end up fw w each other pretty heavily (not sexually, yet). But before i go on here are key moments/things thT happened/things said before we left...
• she has a 1 year old
• shes one of those girls that actually tough as shit but i still let her know she wasnt "tougher" than me, that is in a defensive way every time she playfully and physically attacked lol. that said, yes in that aspect we were physical
• she is "homeless" and her son stays w her mom
• she wouldnt aknowledge how i offered her to get a hotel room (for us, and respectfully if she didnt feel comfortable i still would get it for just her) multiple times in response to her complaint of sleeping in the car
• she thinks she knows how to choke a mf out n shit but shes just a tough cookie, she do got a mean bite and is competative bc again we ended up tussling (playfully) but her 1 advantage is her bite. mannn she left me w hella bite marks i tell ya. and i mean i KNOW that hella dudes would not have been cool w dat to the extent it was but my crazy/freaky/weird ass like that shit and it wasnt even a matter of keeping it playful, it just was that mutually. and i think she like that a lot lol
• she has some shit shes going through jus like everyone else but i think she (like a lot of people do, no judgment) puts her issues on a bit of a pedistal
• after one of our lil "battles" she just stayed layed up kinda in a awkward position but we both kinda chilled and the rest of the time were jus dozing off and carressing each other. ultimately falling asleep on n off for a couple hours i think it was.
again these are just some of the key takeaways and memories from the parking lot there was much more some of which I might not see is important right now and some of which I might have just forgotten some of which I may remember and some of which I may not remember
if ur still w me, thank you, shouldnt be too much more!
So we end up leaving and going to the gas station, i filled her tank up completely for her, and then it feels like we going for her to drop me off already (its like 9/10am)... i peeped she had her maps to my house in and when we get to my block she turned it off and kept goin. so then at this point in my head I'm thinking OK I need to propose something so this doesn't just die here. Not knowing what to do and not wanting to say that out loud I just randomly go wanna go on an adventure and then everything that I pretty much said when she asked about it was just me stalling as I was trying to figure something out. Now not only are we local still but we're in my little neighborhood again so we're good where we're at and she found this random parking lot that I told it was OK for us to park up in and she didn't give me too much of a straight answer to the adventure thing but she never said no and I didn't see it like that and so she says you're gonna have to try again with the adventure request if you want me to say yes. She also said I might take another nap I'm really tired I'm sorry and she was very apologetic for being tired but like I said at the beginning I'm going with the flow so I said all right and I kept telling her it's all good don't worry about it and as she was napping I was thinking of ideas and stuff.
So when she wakes up from her nap we go to McDonald's across the street I get food for us and we they're still talking and continuing your vibe that was literally just getting better and better I come to find out that she sometimes stays the night at her Homies's house or whatever and she said seems like all of her friends are guys like literally every single one so at this point it feels like it's still just the same hook up vibe but at the same time it feels like potentially me more I'm with that side even to this moment that I'm writing this to post on Reddit the only red flags about her are that for some reason she doesn't live with her mom and her son and that all her friends are guys and it seems like she's very much so around these guys but she swears that they're just Homies and mind you I never put her on the spot about it so when I say she swears it's not like she's like trying so hard to prove it but that's the type of vibe she paints when she talks about it in any context.
OK we're coming up to the end here because there's still a lot more to the story but the details going forward are pretty straightforward nothing too specific other than what it is so here it is
I have forgotten to mention she is 19 on this day that we hung out for the first time and by the second time we hung out she was 20 or she is now 20 and I am 24. I have a strong belief that in regards to personality and respect to a person I'm not gonna judge someone just cause they're younger or older than me but at the same time I think that that is also very relevant only in some parts of this whole thing which I will not point out but just keep that in mind I guess. So we decide that we're going to go to Dave & Buster's I also forgot to mention that this is on 4 July so this whole time I'm just waiting for her to hit me with "oh I have plans" or something and an abrupt ending to our hangout which again considering I just met her would've been totally cool and OK I would've understood. this never happened to my surprise.
although we're still on day one for telling the story where not far from being done here so again if you made it this far thank you and please bear with me..
So we go and get some alcohol and she got her own that I paid for as a gentleman but she got it on her own because I didn't provide her alcohol since she's not 21 and when I got in her car she already had alcohol so I'm not taking her responsibility for providing alcohol I'm just saying what happened lol. But yeah we got alcohol and we went to Dave & Buster's had a great time there. And actually I think she was having a better time than me at least until towards the end when she kind of paused and zoned out for a moment and then she came back to it and said "I'm sorry" and with a big smile on her face said "i just haven't been this happy in a really really long time." for me at least that was the moment things definitely took a turn and I'm not sure if I even realized you're not real time but we took some breaks to go to the car and drink a little I find out that she is on her period which definitely got in my head because then I was thinking what was her intention this whole time because she's not knowing that I'm a freak and I would have still hit it but I'd assume that she would assume that I as most probably wouldn't when the girls on her period. anyways I'm at this point wondering what's gonna happen next and it feels like now we're going to drop me off so I can propose going on a cruise down Lakeshore Drive(chicago) and remember it's the fourth so we get to Lakeshore and Lakeshore Drive is pretty much shut down not officially but just because you know it's Chicago and it's the fourth and everyone is outside. I'm talking people are getting out of their cars on the middle of Lakeshore not because there was a road closure just because people wanted to be outside for fireworks and stuff and it was pretty much a party on the highway or not the highway but on Lakeshore. Mind you up to this point there's a lot of conversation that I've left out and all of it is good conversation and we are only getting closer and closer and yes I'm still aware that I just met this girl. They got to the point though where she was the first one to do it but we're calling each other babe and honey and baby and all that and I know I just said this but again I'm aware that some people are just like that and shit but this vibe was good.
I don't really drink too much these days anymore but regardless of if I do or don't drink I'm always someone that can handle my shit but I'm also someone that if you know me long enough I have my moments and warning well I'm warning for me from that day one of my moments is coming. I had consumed a lot of alcohol even off of bottles from randoms on Lakeshore and stuff and at this point we're for sure heading back towards my house and in my head I'm thinking oh she's homeless she's cool as hell she's down for things we went and spent the whole Fourth of July on a fly together she'll probably be down to sleepover. Again I'm not she's on her period I'm a freak though and I'm not dirty I wouldn't do this with just any girl but she was definitely an exception like she hit the criteria for me.
We're getting off on the highway by my house and she spots the guy in a motorcycle he was being kind of crazy actually I might've spotted him first I'm not sure but clearly the dude liked her and he offered her a ride because she was showing interest in the motorcycle now although I'm saying all this shit I'm pretty aware and down to earth and I keep saying I just met her and respect to her because with that considered she still asked me she said is it cool if I take a quick ride with him and I told her yes but I'm going to be on your guys ass in your car. Oh I forgot to mention about myself that I'm a big Car guy and I sarcastically seriously say this I'm the best driver I know so I was being very serious when I said this and we had already talked about that she knew that. But she was ultimately very appreciative like very appreciative almost as if I was the one on the bike myself and we pull up to this gas station right by my house right off the highway and then the biker guy leaves then this is where things turn bad for day one which I somehow recovered from but that was out of my control I guess I got lucky when it comes to that.
So I forgot the exact order of how this next part go but it doesn't really matter I had pretty much at one point proposed to her to come sleep over she said no because she had already told her friend that she was going there her homie friend and she made it out to be like it was a thing of oh I already said I was going there so I have to go there now out of respect and at first I lightly tried pushing her to just come anyways but she wasn't going at least not easily I don't know if I would've kept pushing the issue if she would've but that's not like me I'm not gonna beg beg bag until you agree for my own respect but also out of respect of not being pushy type shit. Mind you at this point I'm also pretty fucked up and I don't even realize how fucked up I am I'm just seeing red because of this amazing time we just had this abrupt shitty ending. Nonetheless she did not want to leave me at the gas station she was planning on driving me home which was very close to that gas station but I figured I was so pissy but I wasn't showing it I think it was obvious I wasn't just blatantly showing it though. Im in a very salty tone I'll admit, I told her no I'm just gonna sit here at the gas station let me grab my shit and finally she said OK I grabbed my stuff grab my last cut water out of her car chugged it right in front of her and walking into the gas station where I was gonna go gamble the rest of the money I had on me on some slots.
I was being salty when I said that and I was almost saying it in a way of like oh wow you're really gonna just leave me here and again I'm pretty down to earth so I was ready for that to be the case it wasn't a Bluff it was more of a test that she failed at first but then kind of passed after. So she drives away and I'm just flabbergasted but nonetheless I walk into the gas station with a very weird empty feeling but I'm telling myself I just met her and it's whatever and even with that ending that it was still a good time and she's gonna do what she do I should just do what I do. so I walked into gamble all the machines are taken I walked to the next gas station over I put money in the machine almost fight a crackhead and at some point in between all this I find myself drunk texting her and this is where my memory starts getting foggy because I remember half of what happens next and I don't remember half of it like absolutely no recollection but obviously I'm just gonna speak on the parts that I do remember and then I'll tell you what happened from her telling me about it the next day.
I eventually decide I'm going to walk either home or around my neighborhood at like three in the morning. I don't know what's up with three in the morning time stamps but yeah it was three in the morning the next day at this point. And I was walking through alleys n on blocks saying very much out-of-pocket things like I was definitely in the wrong for the level I escalated it to which I don't remember getting to this level but I was saying things like oh of course you're gonna go sleep with your homie and oh I should've known and at one point I even thought she was with her homie and I'm starting to even say threats to him and it was really goofy of me because I find out with my own two eyes that she was definitely not with anyone and I say it's so confidently because she actually turned around when she realized I was what I was doing aside from texting her out-of-pocket things and I eventually found myself under a tree she finds me gets me in her car and brings me home.
So that's generally what I remember from that night apparently I was calling her the name of this other girl I used to talk to that kind of broke my heart not too long before which I have no memory of I'm very embarrassed of and I felt terrible about
. I made it a struggle to get me inside the house and I was trying to escape to my garage where I thought I had drugs and I told her that and even as drunk as I was and I do remember this part she was not cool with that. She told me that she wasn't gonna tell me what to do or that I should or shouldn't do drugs but that I shouldn't do drugs around her. Finally she gets me inside she make sure I'm good and then my mom starts coming downstairs and she meets my mom her and my mom go to another room and they talked and they actually in a weird way became pretty cool with each other out of this which I am not proud of the ending of that night but it worked out in that regard.
Anyway here we are at the end eventually she leaves I wake up the next morning hear all about this apologize and long story short she understood and was cool about it and we proceeded to hang out a few more times I even took her out on an actual formal date and we had sex the second time we hung out she was still on her period it was raw and everything was going good up until the other day. So her texting started becoming dry whereas before she would egg me on to keep texting and I would apologize for sending her so many texts a couple times but she was egging it on and told me not to apologizing that she liked it and then I should keep going. It got to a point where she was barely responding when before she would text me good morning and stuff I was never able to gauge if she was a texting person or not or any of that it was pretty inconsistent the whole time and then the other day she didn't really respond to me at all and I sent her a text saying not again referencing my not so good luck with women lately which again that's another thing me and her had talked about so it wasn't like I just randomly said that and she just pretty much was telling me I just got my own shit and that it's not me it's not me at all she doesn't see anything bad about me and that it's on her and that she has identity issues and post teen issues. Which I'm guessing she means from just turning 20. oh and by the way when we had sex she was already 20 and she had even joked well at least you didn't fuck a teenager. Which made me kind of uncomfortable but also was kind of funny.
One other key thing is that she I don't think is even homeless she just kind of says that which kind of supports my case of she overdramatize her problems. I'm not gonna ever tell her that though because For all i know I'm wrong but that's just what it seems like. And when I say never I mean at least on the terms that we are right now like if I in the future end up dating her and we're really close and stuff then yeah I would tell her stuff like that but I'm just saying reference to like what it is right now. But not yeah she's not homeless she lives with her friend her Homie which is a guy and there's only always guys there. And she even be fighting them I guess I don't think that there's any of the biting included but she's definitely a little bit of a tomboy especially when it comes to that and I'm trying to tell myself that that's all it is because that's all I know I haven't seen anything other I haven't heard anything other to think anything other but you know how it is it's almost impossible to actually fully believe that.
Another key thing is that I think my mom knows more about her life than I do and neither of them tell me any of that but I play a long game I'm very observant I'm definitely more down to earth than both of them again I wouldn't say that to them but like that I know for a fact unlike the overdramatizing her problems thing I know for a fact that I'm more aware than both of them are and I don't think they realize that I'm more aware of that than they think. Like the day I took her on a date I kind of brought up that it feels like my mom knows more about you than me and she was saying something that reassured that but she was trying to think be slick and I don't think she realized how not she was but I didn't say anything further I just peeped it and noted it in my head but even that though felt reassuring in the sense that oh this girl is cool with my mom which I'm not used to.
but yeah now she said that she was going through things and that she didn't know about our status or whatever and that she just has a lot going on and that I should do whatever I think is better for me and that was after me pretty much telling her like hey I'm gonna just give you your space let me know when you don't want space anymore if that ever comes to be and it seemed like she wasn't trying to have me just go dark on her so that's what she responded with do whatever you think feels better and then I gave her what I thought was a very low pressure response saying OK I'm here for you like how much time we need to take or whatever however like just pretty much selling her I'm in her corner and then the next day her response was OK then don't do whatever you want which I completely was thrown off by and then ultimately I just said what I had originally said again that all right I'll leave you alone to figure out what you need to figure out and shit and that's pretty much where we stand right now but that again came out of nowhere this vibe changed came out of nowhere and we only knew each other for like a month I get that but I just don't get this sudden switch consider considering how good it was going. and this wouldn't be the first time that something very similar with girls has happened so even if there's something that you guys see from me that I'm not seeing please let me know because I've noticed the only thing that I noticed is that I'm the common factor when it comes to that I'm pretty sure. I've tried to give the narcissistic explanation of all these girls are the same but it's kind of impossible
and very last thing per her words the status we were on was that we were gonna take things slow and watch it slowly turned into becoming lovers
I don't know but yeah please can someone give me insight and help me out?