u/Borkato

It’s easy to say “I don’t want to hurt animals”, but meat eaters will just say that we hurt animals too by simply existing. We can come back and say only as far as practicable and possible, but if that were completely true we’d be living in huts and growing our own food or whatever (crop deaths are a non-issue because again, impracticable, but things like overeating, certain products like avocados, pet food, etc).

The only real response I have to them is that Tu Quoque (saying “well you do X too on a smaller scale so I don’t have to stop doing X on a large one”) is not a valid defense, but then we end up arguing over whether my use of streaming services, buying cat food, and having a front lawn is as bad as their use of animal products and it starts to become a giant mess of “look everyone draws the line somewhere, you just happen to dislike consuming animal products, meanwhile I don’t drive, so if you drive you’re worse than me” etc.

They have to make excuses, to rationalize it, to act like it’s reasonable or that they’re “honoring” the animal or “not wasting it” what the fuck. Just admit that you don’t give a fuck!!! I’m so fucking tired of these people.

I can literally type “/overwhelmed” in my pi agent and it sends a prompt saying “I’m overwhelmed, please reduce the problem scope to one question at a time and…” etc and qwen 27B just gets it… dude this shit is fucking magical and I don’t see how everyone else can’t see it!!

Genuinely. Like… genuinely.

I just had an epiphany arguing with people on here: Does it really matter and does it actually truly affect anyone or are we just all wasting so much time and energy arguing over definitions and hypotheticals instead of just going out and living life?

I went vegan because a random comment in a completely unrelated sub told me to watch Dominion so I did, but it feels like every single other interaction I’ve had online with other vegans has either been them being rude as hell or venting. It’s just interesting.

Like seriously would it kill you to reword your points to not sound like the most condescending person alive?

Lol. Lmao, even.

I know the title is dumb. But just.. the hypocrisy. How they say “ohhh that poor pupper didn’t deserve that :(“ while they eat their steaks and ham.

Fuck, man. Fuck.

And when I brought this up they were like “you should be happy someone is agreeing with at least part of what you say, we’re at least a little bit on your side. By bringing it up you just make us not want to care at all, so this is why people hate vegans”

I swear to god this is going to start some fucking fights but no your eyes do not change color. Yes they can look slightly differently under certain lighting but they go from “oh they’re kinda brownish” to “oh they’re kinda greenish when the light hits them from a certain angle” not “my eyes change from green to brown depending on my mood 🥰” shut the FUCK up

I get that it helps, I know why they do it, but it’s still annoying as hell lol

Repost from the other sub, let’s see how people take it here instead.

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And I’m tired of pretending like it is.

I’m vegan and I’m never going back, but to act like it’s easy for everyone is so fucking annoying.

So many of the people here will tell you things snarkily like “it’s just vegetables, how hard is it to not murder a sentient being for your food 🙄 “ or “yeah getting a veggie sandwich instead of a ham sandwich is sooo hard 🙄 “ or “you’re complaining about not being able to go out to eat? Try being an animal 🙄 “

Come on. The spontaneity, the easy sharing, the “oh I’ll just eat whatever”, it’s all gone. Replaced by the judgement, the snark, the eye rolls, the irritation, the feeling out-of-place, the ingredient checking, the disappointment in the world, the emotional turmoil of knowing the world is a horrible place because of your fellow humans and being able to do nothing about it, on and on.

Yes, once you get into a routine it’s \*easier\* but there are so many sacrifices made every single day. Family comes in town - “oh let’s go for lunch! What, you can’t go to x? Oh, you can, but the only vegan thing there is plain white rice so you’d rather go somewhere else? Mmm… no, this is grandma’s birthday, suck it up.” Etc etc and etc etc.

I will NEVER be nonvegan again. But it pisses me off when people downplay how difficult it actually is.

“I never deal with that because I just plan my meals well 🙄 “ “It’s not hard for me because my whole family knows I’m vegan and is magically accepting” “it’s not hard for me because I know 300 vegans and we all do potlucks” seriously and I do mean genuinely if this is you, this isn’t about you. You’re - by definition - not most people. So please don’t bean soup theory.

Edit: And don’t even get me started on people claiming veganism is cheap because you just buy vegetables. Yeah, if I want to overhaul my diet entirely instead of just switching from cheeseburgers and pizza to vegan versions. THAT would be easy. But it’s not. It’s expensive as fuck. “Just don’t eat it, you shouldn’t be eating that shit anyway” way to miss the point.

Edit 2: ooh I can’t wait to see this on vegancirclejerk. Make sure to actually jerk correctly, as last time you guys completely misrepresented the point. Jerks are supposed to take it to the extreme, not misrepresent it.

And I’m tired of pretending like it is.

I’m vegan and I’m never going back, but to act like it’s easy for everyone is so fucking annoying.

So many of the people here will tell you things snarkily like “it’s just vegetables, how hard is it to not murder a sentient being for your food 🙄 “ or “yeah getting a veggie sandwich instead of a ham sandwich is sooo hard 🙄 “ or “you’re complaining about not being able to go out to eat? Try being an animal 🙄 “

Come on. The spontaneity, the easy sharing, the “oh I’ll just eat whatever”, it’s all gone. Replaced by the judgement, the snark, the eye rolls, the irritation, the feeling out-of-place, the ingredient checking, the disappointment in the world, the emotional turmoil of knowing the world is a horrible place because of your fellow humans and being able to do nothing about it, on and on.

Yes, once you get into a routine it’s *easier* but there are so many sacrifices made every single day. Family comes in town - “oh let’s go for lunch! What, you can’t go to x? Oh, you can, but the only vegan thing there is plain white rice so you’d rather go somewhere else? Mmm… no, this is grandma’s birthday, suck it up.” Etc etc and etc etc.

I will NEVER be nonvegan again. But it pisses me off when people downplay how difficult it actually is.

“I never deal with that because I just plan my meals well 🙄 “ “It’s not hard for me because my whole family knows I’m vegan and is magically accepting” “it’s not hard for me because I know 300 vegans and we all do potlucks” seriously and I do mean genuinely if this is you, this isn’t about you. You’re - by definition - not most people. So please don’t bean soup theory.

Edit: And don’t even get me started on people claiming veganism is cheap because you just buy vegetables. Yeah, if I want to overhaul my diet entirely instead of just switching from cheeseburgers and pizza to vegan versions. THAT would be easy. But it’s not. It’s expensive as fuck. “Just don’t eat it, you shouldn’t be eating that shit anyway” way to miss the point.

Ugh

What the FUCK. WHY. WHY DOES IT DO THIS???

I’m not a slow typer, my fingers are faster than my brain, and it disappears even though I made the search CLOSER TO IT. WHY????

I personally go for “meow”, “woof”, “bark”, etc, but does anyone do anything else other than “foo” or “bar”?

Maybe I should expand and have a farm! “quack”, “moo”, “bok”…

“Did you really think…”

“Hope that helps!”

“Maybe not all of us are x like you.”

“It’s almost like x, who would have thunk it 🙄”

Seriously shut the fuck up, you and I both know you could have worded that much nicer. Even when I agree with the person this pisses me off.