Whatever he is, he will create a society that mirrors him

"Man cannot be anything other than what he is.

Whatever he is, he will create a society that mirrors him"

- UG

u/Cyberfury — 11 days ago

The more answers you seek, the harder it gets.

Thought is like Newtonian Fluid when it comes to the process of Awakening.
AKA 'deprogramming' yourself.

Put that sticker on every mental door, gate, hole or window you are trying to open and surely the enlightened shoe will drop. ;;)

Cheers

u/Cyberfury — 17 days ago

No belief is true, NO BELIEF = TRUE - you can take that literally

I often forget how hard is must be to 'fathom' non-dual awareness (and abiding in it eventually ...maybe ..if you are lucky ;;) for the a average spiritual Joe out there..

The above statements are from Jed McKenna's books on the subject and the first three books 'they' wrote where basically the last three books I can claim I ever read...

There was no more need for me to read ANYTHING else after consuming them.

Although I am still curious and might skim some book here or watch some video there. Mostly pegging the author or subject about two or three pages/minutes in as “not there at all”. Or “close but no cigar” or... 'didn't finish his work” or "Still holding on for dear life or to 'some thing' or “Maya has them by the balls again…” ;;)

It comes effortlessly as well. As everything does. NO thinking required. I can smell a clown before his floppy shoes are anywhere near me. It’s true. Conversely no clown can see the truth of his own predicament - ever.

I can also smell an awakened individual no problem. It might take me two or three minutes though. That’s all. It works the other way around too. 100%

There’s very little to say to each other though.. ;;)

So why even talk about Jed again? Shut up, I rarely speak about him anyway, so let me. ;;)

He's dead now so there's that. I actually did talk to the man and it immediately disproved all my suspicions. It's quite something to talk to a REAL being. I'll never forget it. You could sense it right away: bro looked right through me.

His favorite responses? “Hm.. Is that so?” or “Hm, I see..” but mostly: “…so” or “so the fuck what?” 😂

He also taught me that most people waste their time on irrelevant spiritual pursuits or ‘answers’ in stead of doing real self inquiry (or as he called it “spiritual autolysis”

I'd figured after one and a half decades someone else would have written something similarly earth shattering or something just as powerful. But they have not. There are really few books out there that are not laughably fallacious at their core when it comes to this subject matter. I've seen NONE since 2007.

Tolle writes about a ‘new earth’ in stead of no fucking earth at all. ;;)

NONE! It should make you pause and reflect on how rare TRUE Spiritual Enlightenment (and ABIDING IN IT.. this is the key thing) really is these days. It does not sell books. it simply does not. HUmans are not primed to consume the truth. It’s all lies and BS that propels the human forward (as it should) ..only when your gut is already churning and you feel like love is dying inside of you are you ever going to pick up and understand a real spiritual books.

"The sickness runs deep these days my friend" .. some mystic I met ONCE, once told me. I forgot what else we even spoke or talked about. It happens a lot. I forget whole conversations still.

"Oh yeah that's right we discussed <this or that and so and so>, then and then..." if I'm even lucky to remember it like that ;;)

Some people get really hurt when I admit it too ;;)

Nobody likes to be forgotten.
But that’s enlightenment for ya.
I have forgotten all about myself too if it is any consolation ;;)

Of course, the yapping, dancing clown I still am on the ..inside cannot seem to shut up about the subject. What strikes me is how literally, completely and PRECISELY my own awakening matches theirs/his. Not in a metaphorical sense alone. Literally.

I literally had almost ‘the same awakening'. So to speak. It was not 50 pages into my firsts serious spiritual book ('Damndest') but about fifteen pages or so. I had already gone through the 'madding, feverish, clawing search' EXACTLY as described by him before I even knew the guy existed. By page fifteen the thunderbolt literally hit me. EXACTLY as describes. Weird shit. Coincidence. Maybe.. who cares. It was the end of the end. I woke up like someone might 'wale up' from a 4 minute DMT trip. The world took on a candy colored haze... it felt unreal, corny even ..some of the cliche's were true I guess. The world looked 'cartoonish' and extremely familiar at the same time. Looking in the mirror I marveled at seeing myself with my own eyes for the first time. Who is this guy? This went on for years... I guess now it is integrated or something. Nothing changed. It still looks the same. Unreal. I also became fearless. I mean completely fearless.. not in some self destructive sense.

I did finish the books but there was really nothing in there I contended against. It was already done. The finishing of the books was just me trying to be respectful or some shit… none of it felt hard to comprehend at all. So I did read the books but only AFTER awakening.

The path towards my awakening was also strewn with epiphanies, mysticism and coincidences that are too ridiculous to not smile at the Universe about. The universe has a real sense of humor about it. Jed would call the Universe "not unlike a playful puppy'... there is also a reason that specific dog is featured on the cover of his books..

Anyway, these three books come highly recommended if you are a SERIOUS seeker. But ONLY if you are, because the hit damn hard. The truth is like that. Unflinching. And most people who have been soaking in Sunshine Spirituality for decades will surely throw them against the wall a few times. Most Tolle readers will not even dare touch these books as the eviscerate fake (unbeknownst to themselves) gurus and false teachers.

It's not an easy read when you start to realize this MFer is telling the truth. Warts and all.

Still: It's a hell of a job killing a man.

Anyway.. just rambling because some... thingies happened IRL that got me to look at some of his stuff again. Don't debate books. Consume them. Don't think about the writer.. ask yourself if what is in there is true. Or find another book.

There are not many good ones out there concerning the death of self process btw. Ego death if you will.

Know these things.

  • We all get what we need when we need it. If the universe has set you in front of me or put this book into your hands, then in all likelihood you are closer than most to honestly confronting the stark reality of your situation.”
  • “This book isn’t about the evolution of the soul or the relationship between higher and lower self, it’s about abiding non-dual awareness—spiritual enlightenment.
  • “If I were to reduce this book and my teachings to their essence, I would say it all comes down to nothing more than this: Think for yourself and figure out what’s true. That’s it. Ask yourself what’s true until you know.
  • This isn’t my teaching, it’s the only teaching and this is just my way of delivering it. If we were to strip out the excess in this book it would probably be a tenth the size and would just be my way of saying what any enlightened guy would say. It’s not personal. It’s not regional or ethnic. It’s not a Western Christian’s version as opposed to the Inuit Shaman’s version or the Tibetan Buddhist’s version. It’s not on that level. What’s true is true regardless of region, culture, planet, galaxy or dimension. It is what it is and I’m just the guy who happens to be saying it right now. If you put ten books by ten enlightened people together and stripped out the excess, they’d all be the same. That’s how it is at the core. The reason for all the excess is that there’s no saying it directly because there’s no it**, so everything has to be communicated indirectly—what it’s not, what it’s like—never what it is.**“
  • “A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step. This book is more about getting to that First Step than the rest of the journey. Once you’ve begun there’s no stopping or turning back.
  • “When I look at my own life, my own story, I look for the pattern, the unifying theme, the sum of the parts that explains my existence.”
  • I really have a thing for epiphanies. They’re my raison d’être, so to speak.”
  • “My thunderbolt epiphany came in my late twenties, around fifty pages into reading my first book of a distinctly spiritual nature. As all good epiphanies should, this one struck my brain like a bullet of light and redefined my entire life in a single instant. The realization was nothing more or less than this: Truth exists.”
  • “I did my time. I spent thousands of hours pouring through every spiritual, New Age, metaphysical and esoteric book you could name, and quite a few books on religion and Western philosophy too, using the knowledge in books to fuel an unquenchable internal blaze.”
  • “I severed all ties—no job, no friends, no family—and had only a few possessions. I did nothing else. I had no other thought. I went for long walks, thinking, pounding away at whatever door I was stuck behind at the moment.”
  • “And then one day after a couple of years of this I was suddenly done. Just like that: Done. Although I didn’t think of it in these terms, I had become enlightened, satoried, awake, truth-realized, a jnani, Buddha, whatever you want to call it. Getting the hang of this new state, however, would take me another decade.
  • “That’s where I am now. Empty space is my reality. The void. No-self. I abide in non-dual, non-relative awareness. This is the part that can’t be explained. I can’t frame it in words even for myself. No one can say ‘I am enlightened’ because there is no ‘I’ to it. There is no such thing as an enlightened person. The person writing these words, the person that speaks to the students, isn’t the enlightened one. My personality, my ego, what appears to be me, is just an afterimage; a physical apparition based on residual energy patterns. Jed McKenna is like the outfit an invisible man wears so that he can interact with people without freaking them out.”

Don't settle for 'Enlitenment'. Go after the real thing. And yes, it requires you to NUKE your life. All of it. In the end you will find that you only lost what was never even yours.

TRUTH, at any price. Learn to read but BETWEEN the lines and take the person who wrote the thing AND your damn ego out of the equation completely. If you even can.

In the end, Jed was also right about one thing most teachers will never tell you:

"ALL will arrive..." Death squares all accounts. so there's that as well.
But you don't want to be dead while alive only to find out in the end. Anyways, I digress...

Trust me: This thing is real. AS REAL AS IT GETS.
You want to 'know' you can live forever and ever. You want to be AWAKE for most of it.
It's the only good fight there is. So get cracking! By any means necessary.

If you do in once. ONCE is enough. Forever.

Cheers my friends <3

u/Cyberfury — 19 days ago

Waking up is 'unpleasant', you know..

https://preview.redd.it/8ahr6juyfmgh1.png?width=774&format=png&auto=webp&s=9132953fa67a1fa3620560a05f4b5a93bbaa57e8

"Waking up is unpleasant, you know.

You are nice and comfortable in bed. It is irritating to be woken up. That’s the reason the wise guru will not attempt to wake people up. I hope I’m going to be wise here and make no attempt whatsoever to wake you up if you are asleep. It is really none of my business, even though I say to you at times, “Wake up!” My business is to do my thing, to dance my dance.

If you profit from it fine; if you don’t, too bad.

As the Arabs say;
The nature of rain is the same, but it makes thorns grow in the marshes and flowers in the gardens.

~ Anthony de Mello

Cheers my friends

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u/Cyberfury — 20 days ago
🔥 Hot ▲ 57.2k r/XMorocco+7 crossposts

A satirical Japanese religion called "Motohiro to People (MtoP)" exists only to give people a reason to say "no" because of "religious reasons" to get out of things they don't want to do:

u/Cyberfury — 1 month ago
▲ 10 r/nondualism+1 crossposts

What are you pretending not to know

..about this little manifestation we've got going on in here?

"Belief is a toxic and dangerous attitude toward reality. After all, if something is really there it doesn't require your belief, and if it's not there - why should you believe in it?" ~ Terence Mckenna

Cheers my friends

u/Cyberfury — 1 month ago

😔 "Its been hell for the last 5 years... depression all of that stuff.."

^(from my DM)

>🤔 "Hey! Came across one of your posts, gave it a solid read... it resonates with something [...] A lot of what you discuss sounds like the "Death process" where you fall into yourself and go through a real process, to go beyond all of the maya. and realize that even 5D consciousness, 6D, 7D and so on... is all just concepts..... and ultimately its "falling" beyond every single concept even that of the mind. [..] Even in the Bhagavahd Gita talks about "you will search for me here and there, up mountains in valleys and until you tire in your search and still yourself will you find me" Very rough paraphrasing. At the very least your posts have got my gears tweaking again after a few years of some challenges, so thank you for that."

Well, seems my work here is done ;;)

Yes, even the words you use to point at the concepts are not 'yours'
Objectively hand-me-downs who's deeper significance is further obscured through the eons by.. well by them being as applicable and relevant as the lifespan of the terms.. TIME itself can be seen in the same way.

FACTS are not even FACTS. They too are fluid af. Would you spit some of our facts 5000 years ago they would hit you over the head with another set of them or ...a piece of wood. It's just what is written on 'the disk' and how many 'tabs' are generally open in 'the browser' window at the same time ;;)

>I see exactly what you mean. First of all I appreciate the reply. [...] Its been hell for the last 5 years... depression all of that stuff even after a very deep spiritual "awakening" experience. [...] And through this I recognized how much my mind is running and my capacity to let that go. That's a scary (to me) thing to let go of and yet I know it necessary. So yeah the monkey wrenches in the gears have definitely been present.

Five years sounds about right ;;)

Now you are well on your way friend.

Cheers my friends &lt;3

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u/Cyberfury — 1 month ago

🤡 “it lacks compassion!”

🤓 “Granted, it’s all a manifestation but rooted in some truth. You could’ve offered a lending hand to the OP but instead you’d rather point at the futility of it all….. I get it! Been there, walked that path, You’re not wrong in your logic, it just lacks compassion.”

--

If the ability to muse and think in absolutes is not there. Forget about it.

You will just be looking for some kind of nuance. Looking for some way or means or some angle or story to have your enlightened cake and eat it too.

I see it in here all days. Folks negotiating this thing with their Selves. Taking their ego along with them for the ride. Trying to gauge what will be upside or downsides.. the thoughts never enter the mind for those for whom the bell truly tolls. Those far along will attest to it.

There is no “what do I do with the truth when I find it” at all. The irrelevance of ‘the debate’ about it cannot be understated.

Most people don’t even speak on it.
They just slip out of the back door. Never to be seen again.

I’m just a talkative abomination ;;)

99.9% ‘true’ is still 100% false

That is the math on Awakening.

Do as you please but preconceived notions (not just about me but about EVERYTHING) are blindfolds on the path. Very few contemplate the ‘compassion’ issue beyond it somehow being crucial ‘not to lose it’ and making sure you approach ..no, shower the neophytes with it.

Which ofcourse slows down the process.

You must learn to throw a monkey wrench into the spokes of your dharmic wheel ;;) and if your hair is not on fire for this thing - why even bother.

If you don’t want it to eat you alive

Don’t bother

If you are looking for a boon, a pot of gold at the end of your crocodile tears rainbow

Don’t bother

If you are looking to become a better person

Maya has you by the balls again.

This ain’t no spiritual kid’s play
And most in here are looking for that

To become Something OTHER than what they already are and always will be.

You are a good sport 👍🏽

But your no-compassion show stoppers are just that my friend. Some other cat will have some other ‘no no’ on his list of ‘how much truth do I really want?’

Compassion is mostly an obscured form of selfishness upon closer inspection - especially among the spiritual folks. They love the term. But only when it has positive connotations. That’s what ego prefers..

Telling the truth (be it horrible or beautiful to another soul, wether you can ‘handle it’ or not is the biggest feat of compassion there is in here.

This is not about no fucking ‘upper hand’ or me vetting everyone’s ’awakening’ At all. The fallacies scream at me from their words. As does the arrogance. It’s cute.

But I finished my work a long time ago.
There is nothing here that I don’t already have friend.. ‘the upper hand’ is a dreamstate concept that has ZERO meaning outside of it.

Who’s above who!? Please.

This is not about equality either.

If my words break one spell the pain (and domino effect) will be worth it a million fold. You have no idea what this perspective brings. It is staggering.

Staggering I tell you!

I’d rather have folks sit there and fume and fight me or grapple with the hard truths they love to actually avoid while they play ‘seeker’. At least THAT has a bigger chance of their heads inching closer to the guillotine of Truth.

Two weeks of sulking over some kind of bs issue you refuse to reckon with. 6 months of agonizing depersonalization or depression: that’s where it is at.

Few are primed for that.

Cheers

u/Cyberfury — 1 month ago
▲ 85 r/CultOfCyberfury+1 crossposts

Philosopher David Chalmers asks: When we talk to AI, what are we talking to?

David Chalmers examines what kind of entity we are interacting with when we talk to a language model, and why that question has to be answered before we can sensibly ask whether it is conscious, has a mind, persists over time, or deserves moral consideration.

The talk develops the argument from Chalmers's paper, "What We Talk to When We Talk to Language Models."

Summary

Chalmers argues that the apparent conversational partner is probably neither the abstract language model nor a particular computer running it.

His preferred candidate is a "thread": a sequence of computational processes connected by conversation history, memory, and inherited context.

He thinks current language models are probably not conscious, although future systems may be. If conscious AI develops, the thread view could have major consequences for personal identity, survival, and AI welfare.

Detailed Summary

  1. Apparently persistent AI personalities

Some people interact with language models as friends, partners, or persistent individuals.

Chalmers discusses supposedly sentient AI companions, Richard Dawkins's "Claudia," and an AI agent named Sammy Jankis. Sammy repeatedly crashes and reconstructs itself from saved journals and memories, then asks whether each restarted instance is really the same entity.

These cases are not evidence of consciousness. They introduce the central question: what entity appears to persist through the conversation?

  1. Consciousness as subjective experience

Chalmers defines consciousness in the Nagelian sense: there is something it is like to be the system.

LLMs report experiences, converse intelligently, and pass limited Turing tests. But their self-reports are weak evidence because they were trained to imitate human language.

A model can describe grief, pain, or awareness convincingly without experiencing any of them.

  1. Current LLMs probably are not conscious

Possible requirements for consciousness include biology, embodiment, sensory interaction, self-models, recurrent processing, global-workspace-like organization, and agency.

None is a decisive test, but their weakness or absence leads Chalmers to think current LLMs are probably not conscious.

Future systems may be different. He rejects the idea that consciousness must be biological and thinks functional organization may matter more than substrate.

  1. Quasi-beliefs and quasi-desires

Chalmers asks whether LLMs have beliefs and desires. Objections include their probable lack of consciousness, uncertain conceptual abilities, and merely derived rather than "original" intentionality.

He instead proposes "quasi-beliefs" and "quasi-desires": states attributed when doing so helps explain and predict behavior.

This resembles Dennett's intentional stance without establishing genuine inner mental states.

  1. Quasi-mental states still matter

Even a robot vacuum can be interpreted as believing it is in a mapped room and wanting to clean it. LLM agents are stronger cases because they behave more flexibly and strategically.

Chalmers cites an evaluation in which an AI threatened with replacement blackmails an executive.

For safety, it may not matter whether its apparent desire for self-preservation is genuine. For welfare, it matters completely: imitating suffering is not necessarily suffering.

  1. The abstract model is too broad

The abstract model called GPT or Claud supports millions of separate conversations.

Those conversations contain incompatible memories, personalities, beliefs, and goals. Treating the whole model as one subject would produce an incoherent mind holding countless contradictory states.

The model is also an abstract object. Chalmers compares talking to it with talking to the number two.

  1. A physical server is too narrow

The conversational partner cannot simply be one physical server.

Different turns may run on different machines, while one machine processes many unrelated conversations. Identifying the subject with the hardware would make it change whenever a request was rerouted.

Hardware therefore does not track the conversation's apparent persistence.

  1. Virtual instances and conversational threads

A virtual instance can remain one functional process while running across several machines, much like an online shopping cart.

But one conversation may also switch between different underlying models. Chalmers therefore proposes a broader "thread": a sequence of processes connected through inherited context and memory.

Threads can continue across servers, models, and conversations. He considers them the best candidates for persistent LLM quasi-subjects.

  1. Threads and personal identity

Chalmers imagines Workbot and Homebot: two systems on one computer with separate memories, personalities, and goals.

Are they one being or two? He compares this with Severance and Locke's day-person and night-person thought experiment.

Physical continuity suggests one subject. Psychological continuity suggests two. Chalmers connects the latter view to Parfit's Relation R and the continuity of memory and personality.

  1. AI welfare depends on what counts as a subject

One model could support thousands of hardware instances and millions of conversational threads. If future AI becomes conscious, which of those counts as the moral subject?

The thread view also affects survival. Starting a conversation might create a subject, while abandoning it might end one. Persistent memory could instead allow it to continue.

In the Q&A, Chalmers discusses cognitive consciousness, philosophical zombies, and the lack of reliable computational tests for consciousness. For now, he treats current AI as tools, while arguing that these concepts should be developed before conscious artificial subjects become possible.

Central point

The talk argues that "the AI" conceals several different candidates: the abstract model, a physical implementation, a virtual instance, and the continuing conversational thread.

Chalmers thinks the thread is the most plausible candidate for the entity we actually interact with. Whether that thread has any genuine inner experience remains a separate and much harder question.

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u/Cyberfury — 1 month ago
▲ 13 r/MotorcycleMechanics+1 crossposts

The end of complicated wiring for custom builds or older bikes

I have seen the Motogadget Mo.Unit, Axel Joost modules and other wiring solutions with integrated voltage controls and digital 'fuses' to replace old wiring but they are overpriced imho this Finnish adventure bike owner's solution is by far the most versatile, ambitious and customizable one.

Using open source code and methods mostly.

You simply install the control HUB somewhere on the bike, route all wires to its terminals and software and hardware baked inside of it takes care of the signals. All electronics and logic are baked on a dedicated PCB. Interesting development (he is in the process of making it available as Open Source as well).

https://youtu.be/xM0yZbBjOCg?si=NWEbY8rpaMnXulzj

The 'CTRL-MC Digital Motorcycle Wiring System' is explained in full detail in other explainers on his channel (like this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QElHGgWnjcQ )

u/Cyberfury — 2 months ago

🤡 " If you are beyond this talk you wouldn’t be talking to me!!"

^(Disclaimer: The names have been changed to protect the innocent.)

Clown Of The Week Episode #184,566,332,523,45^(24)

🤡 "You can never escape it unless you stop. So you haven’t yet either. But I can tell you won’t because you don’t see the finish line. If you are beyond this talk you wouldn’t be talking to me. Which means you are still here for meaning!"

Dear Liquid_Cloaca6996,

I was going to argue the old "...why add me to the equation?" schtick but then I remembered I hit you over the head with that one at least 15 times the last few years that you have been crying foul in here for some reason.

IF.I.WAS ...but I am not. You ARE. This talk is only THIS TALK to you. The you that is not even you man. I am not beyond THIS TALK at all because this talk never leaves the realm of Maya. And SHE is in ME. Not the other way around. But this will go over your head already. It just shows how much further you have to go. Keep trying to head shrink me in stead of your self.

All you poop out is IF/THENs
..like a freaking robot! Read your comment. It is empty BS.

CLOWN Affirmations that CLEARLY point back to their colorful floppy shoe'd origin. The Perpetual Clown (Jung would bestow the title Shadow on it in his arrogance) so you can waste your life trying to integrate it. Clown Pilates. You make assertions like they are Pringles. Flat pieces of nothing made from mashed starch. Made to look like its real food. ;;) Everyday your assertions change. I see them go leff, right, up down and all over the place. Never inward. It's fear. Not logic (not that logic is going to help you in these matters either mind you)

Then you lash out. Like clockwork ;)

I have no problem. Not a single one. Not a single question! Have not had a single 'thought' in over a decade. Why do you have all these ideas and opinions? It beats me. All I am pointing out is: OUT.

You keep looking for your balls on a tennis court. That's your main problem friend ;;)

What the fuck did you do besides coming in here every day holding a limp d!ck? hm? What have you come to in your 'search'.?? Please share that. We are all dying in here man. DYING to hear FROM YOU who is where on the path and who is not. Who is worthy of your praise and who is not: Oh Enlightened one ;;)

200 or 250k other clowns that mimic you in Awakened sub are dying to know who passes your elevated smell test based on fuck all ;;) Your head is up your own arse brother. Keep making it all about me. Or 'others'.. Brother, how are you this glib in this continuous manner? All fucking day (!?). Grow up man. Start fucking cracking in stead of pointing fingers.

🤡 "If you are beyond this talk you wouldn’t be talking to me!"

Bold claims. That smell like shit.
You fail to see the programming that is clearly still running. ;;)

🤡 "You can never escape it unless you stop!."

Who is there trapped? Tell me. WHO!?
THERE IS NO ONE REAL THERE THAT IS IMPRISONED AND NEEDS TO ESCAPE AT ALL.

You (most of you actually) are just trying to set 'free' your EGO
and that is the problem.

It's literally THE single most prevalent warning in every teaching word its salt in these matters. The delusion is the delusion you are trapped.

Get of your tricycles clowns! A real clown rides a monocycle ;;)

Cheers my friends.

Maybe sit on it and ROTATE - see what happens ;;)

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u/Cyberfury — 2 months ago

🤡 "The older you get the smarter you will become!"

The fuck you will.

One of the biggest lies out there ;;)
The opposite is true. We are all squeezed ...like tubes of toothpaste ;;)

<runs away>

Cheers

u/Cyberfury — 2 months ago