Is there a way - any way - for an "incel" to exist without being hated by women?

So I have accepted that dating isn't for me. I don't have the face, head, body, height, superficial charm and lifestyle required for dating women

And that's ok. I really want to accept this and move on with life. I really want to find coping mechanisms and find fulfillment in other things. I don't want to hate women for being more selective than men. I really want to accept this biological reality. There's absolutely no entitlement at this point. Its totally my problem, not theirs.

But barely a day goes by without being bombarded by messaging from women that:

  • The bar for men has never been lower - (The bar has never been higher for looks and height. The bar is only low for men they find physically attractive).
  • There's a male loneliness epidemic and men like me are single because we worship Andrew Tate, Joe Rogan, Elon, or Trump - (Even though we've been like this long before the manosphere or Tate surfaced).
  • We're probably unsafe, threatening, potential abusers - (even though men who are actively dating and having sex are far more likely to harm women than single, celibate men and I've never harmed a woman in my life).
  • We give off bad energy that women can smell from miles away - (even though we have no issues interacting with women in non-romantic, non-sexual contexts).
  • We have unwashed asses, lack hygiene, smell bad, and have bad teeth and breath. - (A claim so ironic given that they found these issues in men they literally dated and who weren't incels by that definition. Meanwhile most of us have very good hygiene, our jobs require it and its something we have always considered a given)
  • We're man-children who are unemployed, play video games all day, and are financially lagging - (even though many of us have decent careers and are otherwise disciplined in life).
  • We're looking for a mommy, can't do household chores, and need a bangmaid and chef - (even though many of us have been living on our own for years and are completely self-sufficient in chores, cooking, cleaning, etc).
  • That we lack emotional intelligence, kindness, empathy - (things that only matter when you're someone's type and a relationship is established)
  • that we're right-wing, neo-n*zi, far-right etc (I didn't vote for Trump)
  • That we're porn-brained (even though I've never progressed to the point where I could've expressed such desires)

So is there any possibility I can admit and speak my reality without being ridiculed, pathologized, or turned into a cartoon villain?

Or is there a deeper, more sinister philosophy behind this that we're missing? One whereby the "defeated" should not be allowed a catharsis? One that is built around schadenfreude?

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u/FlamingMetalSystems — 8 days ago
▲ 207 r/Goldpilltalk+2 crossposts

Community Discussion - Is there a way - any way - for an "incel" to exist without being hated by women?

So I have accepted that dating isn't for me. I don't have the face, head, body, height, superficial charm and lifestyle required for dating women

And that's ok. I really want to accept this and move on with life. I really want to find coping mechanisms and find fulfillment in other things. I don't want to hate women for being more selective than men. I really want to accept this biological reality. There's absolutely no entitlement at this point. Its totally my problem, not theirs.

But barely a day goes by without being bombarded by messaging from women that:

  • The bar for men has never been lower - (The bar has never been higher for looks and height. The bar is only low for men they find physically attractive).
  • There's a male loneliness epidemic and men like me are single because we worship Andrew Tate, Joe Rogan, Elon, or Trump - (Even though we've been like this long before the manosphere or Tate surfaced).
  • We're probably unsafe, threatening, potential abusers - (even though men who are actively dating and having sex are far more likely to harm women than single, celibate men and I've never harmed a woman in my life).
  • We give off bad energy that women can smell from miles away - (even though we have no issues interacting with women in non-romantic, non-sexual contexts).
  • We have unwashed asses, lack hygiene, smell bad, and have bad teeth and breath. - (A claim so ironic given that they found these issues in men they literally dated and who weren't incels by that definition. Meanwhile most of us have very good hygiene, our jobs require it and its something we have always considered a given)
  • We're man-children who are unemployed, play video games all day, and are financially lagging - (even though many of us have decent careers and are otherwise disciplined in life).
  • We're looking for a mommy, can't do household chores, and need a bangmaid and chef - (even though many of us have been living on our own for years and are completely self-sufficient in chores, cooking, cleaning, etc).
  • That we lack emotional intelligence, kindness, empathy - (things that only matter when you're someone's type and a relationship is established)
  • that we're right-wing, neo-n*zi, far-right etc (I didn't vote for Trump)
  • That we're porn-brained (even though I've never progressed to the point where I could've expressed such desires)

So is there any possibility I can admit and speak my reality without being ridiculed, pathologized, or turned into a cartoon villain?

Or is there a deeper, more sinister philosophy behind this that we're missing? One whereby the "defeated" should not be allowed a catharsis? One that is built around schadenfreude?

u/FlamingMetalSystems — 8 days ago
▲ 112 r/lnkyverse

Perspective - If women made the decision who to send to war, they will send unattractive men and keep the chads for sex, love and procreation

They truly do hate men, well, the ugly ones They truly do hate men, well, the ugly ones They truly do hate men, well, the ugly ones They truly do hate men, well, the ugly ones They truly do hate men, well, the ugly ones They truly do hate men, well, the ugly ones They truly do hate men, well, the ugly ones

u/FlamingMetalSystems — 10 days ago

Question for Women: How does the fact that you can casually date and hook up with very good-looking men way above your league, affect your self-perception and your expectations for the kind of men you can find for commitment and marriage?

This woman beautifully explains the 𝗰𝗼𝗻𝘂𝗻𝗱𝗿𝘂𝗺 for young women

Even if you're average or below-average in looks as a young woman, you can easily date, hookup, and have short-term physical relationships with very good-looking, tall, handsome, fit, charming men way above your league.

But as soon as you want something serious, long-term or want to get married, you'll realize those good-looking, attractive men you could so easily hookup with have vanished or even if they're seeking commitment and marriage, they expect someone equally good-looking and at their own level status and lifestyle wise.

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𝗜'𝗺 𝗿𝗲𝗮𝗹𝗹𝘆 𝗰𝘂𝗿𝗶𝗼𝘂𝘀 𝘁𝗼 𝗸𝗻𝗼𝘄 𝘄𝗼𝗺𝗲𝗻'𝘀 𝘁𝗵𝗼𝘂𝗴𝗵𝘁𝘀 𝗼𝗻 𝘁𝗵𝗶𝘀, specially women who are average and below average in looks

  1. Are you consciously aware of the fact that attractive men have VASTLY different standards for casual hookups vs marriage?
  2. If you're casually dating a very handsome, tall, good looking guy, are you aware that someday you will have to marry a guy who looks nothing like him and is just average / mediocre in looks just like yourself?
  3. Do you let yourself be disappointed, frustrated when you can't get the same type of men for marriage or is it something you always expected and can compartmentalize easily in your mind?
u/FlamingMetalSystems — 13 days ago

Perspective - How I feel everyday: Suffocated, because my reality is suppressed

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u/FlamingMetalSystems — 15 days ago

Visual Insight - The year is 2026. You need to be 6'4, handsome, athletic, and have LUCK to date this

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u/FlamingMetalSystems — 23 days ago

Community Discussion - I'm not body shaming, but I am body shaming - Some Feminist

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u/FlamingMetalSystems — 2 months ago

Dear boys and girls who suffer from low self esteem - Please never use casual sex with attractive people as a fix for your self esteem

Specially to young boys who think they are ugly, short, unfit, fat, scrawny, have low self-esteem, no confidence etc

Please don't get addicted to the spiral of having casual hookups with attractive women.
Casual sex and hookups are so easily available nowadays it can make young men easily addicted to it

This may boost your confidence temporarily, but it will not fix the underlying issues

u/FlamingMetalSystems — 2 months ago
▲ 6 r/ITYSL+1 crossposts

POV: Your wife goes to the grocery store and runs into a body builder. Asks your daughter to look away as she gets 'curled' and exchanges numbers

Have a seat

u/FlamingMetalSystems — 2 months ago