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Like, yea it was not og httyd,

But it still had thunder, he had a cool design, and he looked like a great charecter,

And even tom was a good guy,

And it's writing. Was still ok, and still it was developing,

It's charecters were still having charecter growth,

And it redeemed itself eventually atleast,

And just bc it doesn't focus on hiccup and toothless,

It still doesn't mean it deserves hate,

Since the director of the 3 flims is planning to make a 4th.

For me;

It will be about;

Hiccup's kids having the 3 kids of toothless and the light fury,

We may get to see night furies,

And grimmel maybe lying, he killed all night furies,

Since it's not really possible to kill a whole species,

So possibly,

A few maybe hiding in a different hidden world,

Their could be many hidden worlds,

And maybe places we haven't explored yet, since the hidden world is mysterious,

We can get more lore, and new dragons possibly,

Since they appear before end of z happened,

Shouldn't they. Be alive?,

Since zamasu and Goku black don't know anything about them,

And won't target them at all,

Goku is powerful and nigh aperion+,

But he is a kind guy, loves his kids,

Will save his friends, family, and will fight for them,

He's done it always,

He ain't no destroyer,

In the movie,

He was defeated 3 times,

1: by tarzan,

2; by sabor.

3; by clayton who killed him badly,

4: by tublat.( In legend of tarzan),

like bro was nerfed alot. Physically weaker than all, he has gotten beaten tine after time

1: Goku black arc,

This is basically one of the best arcs in super,

It gave us future trunks back,

Cell saga and buu saga vibes, people hiding, and are in extreme danger, not even kais were safe,

2:

Tournament of power;

this is basically cell games + frieza saga + gives us all of Z's arcs vibe.

They are to fight to survive, has stakes,

Gives Goku a strong form to fight, with hope. Honestly a great arc,

3;

moro arc:

One of the best arcs,

this gave us cell saga + frieza saga vibes,

Moro basically hunted namek, to get his youth and magic back, another peak arc, with ultra instinct showing up.

This gives Goku a emotional trigger to get to ultra instinct again,

Since merus erasure is similar to frieza killing krillin,

And Goku went into that calness after the death of merus,

this makes it a solid arc,

4:

Granolah arc, basically saiyan saga + frieza saga, vibes,

It tells us about cerealians, and history of bardock. Tells us more about frieza,

And black frieza and gas were peak.

They aura farmed, and gave us a peak arc,

5:

Superhero saga:

this is basically cell saga, red ribbon army.

And etc,

This has gohan awaken his new form beast,

And killing cellmax. Like he did against perfect cell,

overall;

All of these 5 arcs had one of the best things, in it,

10/10.

In the movie,

He was defeated 3 times,

1: by tarzan,

2; by sabor.

3; by clayton who killed him badly,

4: by tublat.( In legend of tarzan),

like bro was nerfed alot. Physically weaker than all, he has gotten beaten tine after time

In a few deleted scenes,

We see zira's huntresses trespassing the pridelands,

And in non deleted scenes,

Vitani was seeing kovu not killing simba,

Somehow the outlanders like zira and her pride were living,

And somehow not starving especially nuka,

This means;

they've been poaching in the area, and doing stuff before simba ever caught them,

He's smart,

He literally tricked beerus into thinking he threw zeno button in the air,

But then he tapped the button to escape,

Even in z he was smart,

he managed to use instant transmission to use kamehameHa on cell,

Which is a smart move yet again,

He even managed to complete a test. And get 50 marks on a test in u6 vs u7 arc,

and even understood what whis told him to stop moro attack his crystal,

And he has literal realisation that moro is someone he can't trust unlike frieza.

Moro doesn't care if life dies,

and Goku realized he can't reason. With him,

Since charecters like chi chi and bulma will need a redesign,

Chi chi in the granolah arc looks young,

But it's been 2 years,

She shouldn't be this old, same is for bulma,

and the worst thing we got from end of z is in dbz kakarot,

It completely acts like super doesn't exist,

While yes, in the cannon and father of Goku movie,

He had a 10,000 power level,

He had gotten stronger with zenkai boosts in the special,

Via;

Surviving two near death experiences that were fatal both times

1: by frieza's ki blast, in His 1st form he had a power level of 500k,

bardock surviving this boosts this base to arguably 500k-600k to possibly 1m,

2;

He also survived a warmnole timeline distortion event by frieza's blast,

Which arguably scales his base to 6m,

He also trained for an entire month in the 10x gravity of planet plant,

Which scales his base to 8m-10m arguably,

In super saiyan this makes his base at 500m arguably,

and chilled was holding back,

He thought he could have won,

But he got killed by bardock,

In the manga champa is shown hunting the super dragon balls, and it happened in the beerus saga, manga (only),

And we see him blow up frieza's soldiers ship up,

And then we get the outcome of u6 vs u7,

Then theirs Goku black arc,

It's caused by the events of u7 vs u6,

And we get another zeno.

Tournament of power is also caused by the two arcs,

and moro arc and granolah arc are somewhat highly connected,

Granolah arc is caused by moro arc's fight and stuff,

Bc bro,

How the hell is Goku a bad evil malicious father?,

when he's kind,

He's saved gohan, many times, and took good care of him,

But in abridged it threw everything out,

It ain't even a joke tbh,

They did it on purpose,

And chose Goku spefically which just proves they had a target to content farm, for money, and toei striked them for that crap. And nowdays they milk other stuff and make shorts related to a but as. Comics or small clips,

For me; moro wins this easily, since he has perfected ultra instinct that is basically trained angel level power,

In the anime:

Beerus says; Goku should power down to ssj2 to fight,

But Goku doesn't and goes for the fight,

Beerus one taps him,

In the movie:

Goku tells he can power down to 2,

If beerus likes,

And beerus simply refused him, and just like the anime he beats Goku,

In the anime theirs also a intersting thing;

beerus is the one that nulfifuled Goku and his punches shockwaves that were gonna destroy the universe,

In the movie:

Goku is the one that nullified beerus's energy, in ssg,

As we all know gohan in both TOP and moro arc was training non stop with piccolo,

But suddenly both slack off, which is genuinely weird, since bro didn't they fight moro's men and never stopped training?,

and same is for Goku and Vegeta, bc they've been training on beerus planet for 2 years straight,

But 2 years before they were on earth,

and still their,

So this means they forgot earth,

and most of the worst things in it was;

Gohan acting clueless that cell max can beat Goku perfected ultra instinct (The one in moro arc),

Even though moro was far stronger than cell max,

In the anime frieza is a mad guy that kills his employees,

But in the manga he's cold calculative not really mad to care about harming his workers. He only got mad when zarbon. Nearly killed Vegeta,

Then. We have some gore moments

Gero ripping a head of someone in the manga. But in the anime it's censored and toned.

Not shown,

Why I'm saying this is completely valid, and here's why:

So we all know true ultra instinct is a upgraded version of ui sign,

this means, Goku will try to get his perfected ultra instinct state the silver hair form,

To have saiyan emotions and mix it with his saiyan biology even further to fit him,

To possibly get stronger, since true ultra instinct is not completed yet,

and this opens the possibility to: ultra gogeta or ultra vegito,

Since both true ultra instinct and ultra ego are pretty much transformations with anger, emotions and rage. And very compatible with saiyan pride emotions,

Goku can't maintain it like a angel,

His ultra instinct is affected by his thinking.

that just makes Goku a terrible user for it,

Angels are strong bc of that, since they don't think,

They act on instinct,

Goku can do that, but maintain for a while, until his body gives out