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So if you remember;

Ultra ego is basically a form/technique that makes the user stronger with damage. Destruction in mindset,

Etc,

and rose form is the same thing, Goku black is destructive has no regret, and gets stronger with damage,

Even their hair colour is similar, pink and purple.

This means; rose is ultra ego but a weaker version he uses,

Goku literally sacrificed himself to save earth,

And without him, earth would be in danger still,

Since the saiyans would still come,

Without Goku turning into ssj1, frieza would have taken over the entire galaxy,

And without him. Gero would have taken over earth, made cell with no Goku cells,

Since without him, they won't be stopped,

And without Goku, bulma would have died on day 1. Bc of the bear theif.

No time machine, no dragon rador,

Even the namekians would have faced extinction because of frieza, since Goku wouldn't be the one to stop him,

Demon king piccolo would takeover the planet destroy everything,

And even gohan goten would have never existed,

Same for trunks,

Babidi would have told buu to kill the supreme kai,

And that would cause beerus death,

Goku saved the universe many times before beerus ever woke up,

And without him, the multiverse would be erased, since nobody would remind zeno of tournament. Of power,

Since zeno was gonna. Erase them anyway. Goku gave them a. Chance to survive, be brought back,

1; "angels helped in expanding the universe",

If they did, they'll know what's good or evil, no extermination will be needed,

2;

"hell and heaven are infinite",

Yet he'll has population problems.

Heaven is more of a planet,

3;

"Lucifer shook heaven with a beam",

Yet that's island level at best, it never harmed heaven,

Calculations are not valid nor useful to downscale or upscale someone.

4:

the statements like hh God exists is wrong,

no he doesn't exist, vivzipop stated that, she herself fails to understand that on stolas vs alastor,

5;

vox can't even destroy a city, a shutdown is a hax feat, not dc strength ap feat,

Overall;

The verse is island level,

If he got it earlier before god ki, then yea. That's understandable,

But saying this now after he got god ki is kinda wrong,

Why make him a monkey?!,

that's wrong, he is supposed to be yamoshi descendant related to god ki, not monkey transformations

So basically;

They gave Goku ssj4,

In daima, no memory erasure,

And he still remembers it,

And even if a S2 comes, it will be forced, since it should happened at s1 only,

And that my bulma scene will be ruined aka become useless, since bro, how is ssj2 comparing to ssj4?.

How will he punch beerus, and that means Goku will get a chance on punching beerus too,

Since it's weird that Goku says ssj3 is his max power when super is months or 5 years after daima.

Since why would Goku use ssj3 when he should have fought in ssj4/his current strongest form at that time then fight beerus,

same is for Vegeta, he would have broke his limits in ssj3. Instead of ssj2.

Since. Goku can transform into it in a instant, if include manga.

Simple answer;

They have same forms, same powers,

Etc, since the only way a fusion is strong, is by his strong the current people are,

Mine; universal conflict saga,

Since it's cool great, with actual good fights, with great villains, etc,

Vegeta being destroyer doesn't make any sense, since Vegeta won't want to leave his family or get his life connected to a supreme kai, someone weaker than him,

same is for Goku, it doesn't fit him either,

he never destroys planets, just for a duty,

Even broly doesn't fit it either, since he's too calm, and kind, he doesn't like destroying stuff,

frieza will never fit it either, since he will never bow to zeno, and will never get himself treated like a worker. He's a emperor,

They got it from their dad's.

Since if you notice, when gohan was born he did not have it at 1st.

And at that time, Goku Vegeta did not have ssj1.

but since goten and trunks were born after their father's got ssj.

They had the s cells enough cells to make someone a super saiyan,

And to get super saiyan you must have tons of s cells.

Bc Goku black annihilated many mortals,

Became one with the universe.

And showed how sadastic a kai can be.

Which is many times worse than anything cell buu and frieza ever did,

Sure cell wanted to destroy the earth, but he never planned on destroying the universe,

Same is for buu. He just hunted the z fighters blowing planets up to attack them,

Frieza may wiped the saiyans out, but most planets weren't destroyed by him, only named One is planet vegteta, nothing else.

Goku black was a actual threat, that zeno was needed.

It's so dead, it is barely talked about,

It ain't bad, it's pretty good.

Like bulma getting controlled by baby. And etc, and affected Goku. When he said; "baby I'll never forgive you",

It has slow pacing, and many things that are slow paced, we might get many episodes just to finish the entire arc.

Same is for granolah arc, and super hero arc.