Quote about Ends justifying the Means Contradiction

“The maxim that the end justifies the means has always been the first article of faith of all power politics… Every power-lustful conqueror, every politician, subscribes to it… for the baseness of method is as closely related to power as decay is to death.” - Rudolf Rocker in Nationalism and Culture

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u/No-Leopard-1691 — 3 days ago

Looking for a quote

I am looking for a quote (forget the author) that is something to the effect that because we can’t determine the actual input/output of each individual across society/the world it is illogical to try to do a labor voucher system since all labor produces all things therefore all goods should be shared in common.

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u/No-Leopard-1691 — 7 days ago

Looking for a quote

I am looking for a quote (forgot the author) that is something to the effect that because we can’t determine the actual input/output of each individual across society/the world it is illogical to try to do a labor voucher system since all labor produces all things therefore all goods should be shared in common.

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u/No-Leopard-1691 — 7 days ago

Anarchists and/or Libertarian Socialists

I am an anarchist and I am looking for any other anarchists and/or libertarian socialists in the COS area that would like to create an organization with the goals of mutual aid, dual power, etc.

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u/No-Leopard-1691 — 17 days ago

Anarchists and/or Libertarian Socialists

I am an anarchist and I am looking for any other anarchists and/or libertarian socialists in the COS area that would like to create an organization with the goals of mutual aid, dual power, etc.

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u/No-Leopard-1691 — 17 days ago

Anarchists and/or Libertarian Socialists

I am an anarchist and I am looking for any other anarchists and/or libertarian socialists in the COS area that would like to create an organization with the goals of mutual aid, dual power, etc.

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u/No-Leopard-1691 — 17 days ago
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Anarchists and/or Libertarian Socialists

I am an anarchist and I am looking for any other anarchists and/or libertarian socialists in the COS area that would like to create an organization with the goals of mutual aid, dual power, etc.

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u/No-Leopard-1691 — 17 days ago

Anarchists and/or Libertarian Socialists

I am an anarchist and I am looking for any other anarchists and/or libertarian socialists in the COS area that would like to create an organization with the goals of mutual aid, dual power, etc.

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u/No-Leopard-1691 — 17 days ago
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Have any thoughts on the New Anarchist FAQ?

I stumbled upon the New Anarchist FAQ when it was still being created a while ago and it looks like it is finally finished. From anyone who has read it, what are your thoughts and impressions of it?

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u/No-Leopard-1691 — 2 months ago

Bus Route 3 - 15 minute intervals

Maybe I am misremembering but I could have sworn that the city made Bus Route 3 free as well as transitioned it to being a 15 minute interval between pickup times along the route. It is still showing a 30 minute interval on their website and on Google Maps. Did I miss something?

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u/No-Leopard-1691 — 2 months ago

In an Anarchistic world, should Anarchists be pro or anti Sanctions?

I was having a conversation with an MLM and they asked about Sanctions. I said that Sanctions could exist as a mechanism of consequence should one group violate previously agreed upon agreements and that the Sanctions would be the agreed upon consequences of said violation of the agreement. The aspects of free association/disassociation would still exist and the Sanctions would only prevent the labor/produced products by X group when Y group violated the agreement while ensuring that Y group was still able to access the necessities of life (ie you can still access the forest but you don’t get to have the cut firewood) (and should labor/product of X be necessary for that then there is that exception).

The MLM responded that this is just a mechanism of informal authority and it is a State but labelled as a federation because X group would be imposing the consequences upon Y group and X group would be dictating what is considered the “necessities of life”. I get where they are coming from but at the same time this ultimately means that agreements between people/groups have no recourse should a group(s) violate the agreement; essentially, there is no skin in the game for breaking your word. Note: I am talking about \*violating\* an agreement, not the aspect that a group(s) decided to disassociate.

Thoughts. Am I using the wrong word (sanctions), do I have a wrong understanding of anarchistic perspectives on agreements and consequences?

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u/No-Leopard-1691 — 2 months ago

In an Anarchistic world, should Anarchists be pro or anti Sanctions?

I was having a conversation with an MLM and they asked about Sanctions. I said that Sanctions could exist as a mechanism of consequence should one group violate previously agreed upon agreements and that the Sanctions would be the agreed upon consequences of said violation of the agreement. The aspects of free association/disassociation would still exist and the Sanctions would only prevent the labor/produced products by X group when Y group violated the agreement while ensuring that Y group was still able to access the necessities of life (ie you can still access the forest but you don’t get to have the cut firewood) (and should labor/product of X be necessary for that then there is that exception).

The MLM responded that this is just a mechanism of informal authority and it is a State but labelled as a federation because X group would be enforcing/imposing the consequences upon Y group and X group would be dictating what is considered the “necessities of life”. I get where they are coming from but at the same time this ultimately means that agreements between people/groups have no recourse should a group(s) violate the agreement; essentially, there is no skin in the game for breaking your word. Note: I am talking about *violating* an agreement, not the aspect that a group(s) decided to disassociate.

Thoughts. Am I using the wrong word (sanctions), do I have a wrong understanding of anarchistic perspectives on agreements and consequences?

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u/No-Leopard-1691 — 2 months ago

Concerning the current election

“Laws, courts, prisons, intelligence agencies, tax collectors, armies, police—most of the instruments of coercive power that we consider oppressive in a monarchy or a dictatorship operate the same way in a democracy. Yet when we’re permitted to cast ballots about who supervises them, we’re supposed to regard them as ours, even when they’re used against us. This is the great achievement of two and a half centuries of democratic revolutions: instead of abolishing the means by which kings governed, they rendered those means popular… Representative democracy offers a pressure valve: when people are dissatisfied, they set their sights on the next elections, taking the state itself for granted. Indeed, if you want to put a stop to corporate profiteering or environmental devastation, isn’t the state the only instrument powerful enough to accomplish that? Never mind that it was state that established the conditions in which those are possible in the first place.” - From Democracy to Freedom by CrimethInc.

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u/No-Leopard-1691 — 2 months ago

Concerning the current elections

“Laws, courts, prisons, intelligence agencies, tax collectors, armies, police—most of the instruments of coercive power that we consider oppressive in a monarchy or a dictatorship operate the same way in a democracy. Yet when we’re permitted to cast ballots about who supervises them, we’re supposed to regard them as ours, even when they’re used against us. This is the great achievement of two and a half centuries of democratic revolutions: instead of abolishing the means by which kings governed, they rendered those means popular… Representative democracy offers a pressure valve: when people are dissatisfied, they set their sights on the next elections, taking the state itself for granted. Indeed, if you want to put a stop to corporate profiteering or environmental devastation, isn’t the state the only instrument powerful enough to accomplish that? Never mind that it was state that established the conditions in which those are possible in the first place.” - From Democracy to Freedom by CrimethInc.

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u/No-Leopard-1691 — 2 months ago

Thoughts on Techno-feudalism

I am currently learning about the views of Yanis Varoufakis and his perspective that capitalism is over and has been replaced by a form of Techno-feudalism. Anyone who has already learned about his views, would you please provide your thoughts and if it is actually happening or is it just capitalism acting to/through digital economies?

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u/No-Leopard-1691 — 2 months ago

Prefiguration and Failed Attepts

I am currently reading Zoe Bakers book on Means and Ends and something I noticed is that when people online discuss anarchism one of the primary objections is all of the failed attempts and that these attempts didn’t last very long. What is often left out of the Anarchists’ response is that even if we give all of the failed attempts with no explanation of details, that one of the main objectives of Anarchism is prefiguration and that these failed attempts are expressions of this prefiguration and do in fact alter the “drives, capacities, and consciousness” towards liberatory means/ends of those involved and those who learn about it.

I don’t know if it is solely me or solely something on Reddit but the lack of inclusion of prefiguration of the people in these failed attempts seems to be something that is lacking in online responses. I don’t know if non-anarchists will give much stock to the idea that while the attempts failed, there was valuable psychological benefits gained but it seemed like a blind spot worth highlighting.

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u/No-Leopard-1691 — 2 months ago

Anarchists and Libertarian Socialists

I am an anarchist and I am looking for any other anarchists and/or libertarian socialists in the Colorado Springs, Colorado, USA area that would like to create an organization with the goals of mutual aid, dual power, etc.

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u/No-Leopard-1691 — 3 months ago

Anarchists and Libertarian Socialists

I am an anarchist and I am looking for any other anarchists and/or libertarian socialists in the COS area that would like to create an organization with the goals of mutual aid, dual power, etc.

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u/No-Leopard-1691 — 3 months ago