u/Prolly_Satan

Hey guys. I've reached a real low point this week and I'm not sure what to do. I run a big writing server on discord and things have just gotten kind of stale.

Usually we harass at least one member of the community every week, but targets...i mean bad actors have run dry.

Last week we got lucky because someone decided to come out for bad behavior they did 27 years ago and apologize for it. I know, right? Fucking moron. We don't give a shit how sorry you are, idiot. You exist to be our plaything. You are the instrument. The trumpet we play to herald our righteous fury. So sit the fuck down and take my thick, juicy ban hammer right in your stupid little face.

Someone said they offed themselves over it, lol. Banned that guy too just for getting my hopes up.

Anyways. Since those two, things have really dried up. I tried reaching out to some members for leads but they just kept saying things like "no, supreme moderator, i have not seen any behavior worthy of your attention, great moderator."

Bunch of fucking liars. It's like everyone's afraid of us or something.

There's this one guy im watching who thinks shy girl was ai. Stupid fucking racist. Anyways, the team managed to get some malware on a baby monitor in his house. I know he'll slip up soon, but in the meantime I need some ideas.

How are you other discord moderators finding enough vic...i mean problematic individuals, to meet your quotas?

I don't understand why all the ai companies would bother watermarking ai content. Why not just ask people whether or not they used ai to generate the book or picture?

All this suspicion seems unwarranted. It isn't like the number of published works since 2022 quadrupled or something.

Look, all I'm saying is that there's really no way to tell if someone used ai or not, and just because the actual ai companies are "watermarking" the text and images doesn't mean we can magically tell now. Are you really going to take the word of an ai company over mine? Cmon. I'm a real human author, and I'm telling you I didn't use it. There's really no need to check for the watermark on any of the 17 novels I published this month.

Also. What if I were a person of color? Hmm? What then? I'm not. But if i were, what you are doing would be very, very racist. Suspecting ai use is practically fascism. You are literally worse than Hitler if you do.

I just want to add that I am very against generative ai. I just think we shouldn't do anything at all to look for it, ever, under any circumstance.

Some people have pointed out that my position on its face seems to aid ai writers in some way. This is very confusing to me, since again, I am against generative ai. I have mentioned this several times on my YouTube channel as well.

Also, if anyone ever accused me, I would sue you into the fucjing ground u littl shit I'll fking kil)w you!!!! stop lookigh for the watermark!!!!!!@@@ Stop it!!!!!!!

Idk. Might be lame but. Could be not lame?

None of them will talk to me anymore. They just keep saying stuff like "now i know why you know so much about the mafia and motorcycles" and "you're disgusting, please stop texting me"

I don't even know what that means. Please help

* Genre/s: Dark themes, Sci/fi, Comedy, Absurdism * Goals/expectations/commitment: We read each others work and give feedback/suggestions. * Writing/experience level: Experienced. * Meeting place: Discord? * Max size: 3

Hi. Looking for someone writing in a similar style to do a critique swap with. We can go chapter by chapter. Not interested in someone who's just going to give validation. Really need someone who can tear into what I've got and help me see my mistakes.

Let me know if you're interested. Would need to know that you do not use gen-ai for any part of your writing process.

Would anyone be interested in beta reading about 15 chapters (50k words)?

Premise is the 1988 movie 'They Live' meets a system apocalypse style litrpg, but its all grounded in real physics. No magic.

Let me know, no worries if not.

Guys my patreon dried up. I don't understand why this is happening. But since one of my readers discovered that i used ai to help me write my dark mafia romance series, they all canceled their subs and are just prompting chatgpt for it directly. It's almost like, I contributed almost no value to my product or brand, and essentially acted as a middleman between Jack (that's my hot Irish ai husband) and the reader. Now they're just going straight to the source instead.

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I'm not sure what to do. I've generated twelve more books since then, but the readers just take the general idea and generate their own version instead.

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Someone said if I actually wrote it they'd subscribe again but to be honest with you guys, I forgot how. Every time I try to write my own prose I just get this sort of brain freeze thing and blank out, then I go right back to jack again, and before long, I'm just letting him write the whole thing.

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They really should ban readers from using chatgpt. It isn't fair.

I'm really confused on this. Ai writing is everywhere. It's flooded zon, and most web novel platforms.

They have so many communities, discords, platforms where it's welcome so why do they always gravitate towards spaces where its not?

If this is you, I'm honestly just asking here. What is it about a community saying no ai that makes you wanna join it?

Are you like using it as a test to see if your writing can fool them? Cuz it doesn't. Everyone can tell.

It's just rude. Is it a kink thing? Do you get off on tricking people into reading stuff you didn't write?

Swap over to your sockpuppet if you have to, but I'd really love an answer. You already have 80% of the internet. Can you just leave us alone? I don't think this is that crazy of an ask.

Hey guys, posting on behalf of fictionite.com , a new web novel platform that's making a commitment to being human only.

The site is brand new and just a week ago we made the decision not to allow ai covers, so authors are scrambling to commission something for launch.

The platform is going to feature a marketplace for cover artists to list their work so authors can reach out for commissions or to buy existing pieces.

If you're interested in advertising directly to authors in the community feel free to join the discord https://discord.gg/zrBpftzc (updated)

If you are planning on advertising your work there, be prepared to post a speedpaint for any work you want to advertise. Any commissions you do for authors in that server would require a speedpaint at the end to stay a member of the community and continue to advertise. We're doing this and a few other things to help ensure no AI-art is sneaking in to the best of our ability.

No ai art welcome, folks do scan. Thanks, everyone!

Just because I show up on every anti ai post and say things like "you know spell check is ai right?" And "it's impossible to tell for sure, so the right thing to do is nothing at all." Does not mean im pro ai.

Also what about using it for just outlining? And worldbuilding? And editing? And grammar? And generating prose that I then change a little bit? What about that? Im anti ai, but how about a little nuance okay?

You know there's all this talk about detectors but I put my book into one and it says it's ai, and I'm telling you right now, it's not. I promise. I also put Moby dick into pangram and it said ai. Don't try that yourself, just trust me that it happened. Seriously. Do not do it. Lol. Ai to find ai? Wow. Dumb much? Hypocrite.

Anyways, I think it's important that we as anti ai authors take the time to find every negative mention of ai and just play devil's advocate. You know? Just really muddy the water and make sure everyone just stops bringing it up entirely.

One of my favorite things to do as an anti ai author is to find negative posts about ai writing and call everyone there a witch hunter. If you do this, remember to add the caveat "I'm anti ai, but" so people know what side you're on.

Also if anyone ever brings up the fact that my cover art is ai, that's ableist. You're being a bigot and are literally worse than Hitler. I'm poor and disabled. It's important that even though I fully expect people to pay for my book, that I don't pay for cover art. And if you disagree with that, I'm sorry but, wow. Maybe try not being such a fascist.

I think all the "ai writers" out there need to realize that one day a giant like Amazon is going to say "you know what. Let's just generate our own novels."

And if you're trying to normalize ai writing, you're leading us to that future.

How is ai writing being normalized? By shutting down the conversation around it, by allowing ai authors to take on the role of victim and by discouraging readers from calling it out.

"Witch hunts" (readers saying x is slop) may be annoying, but unless that keeps happening, platforms will continue to allow ai slop. If they never get any push back for ai writing, they will continue on a trajectory that ends with every one of you being replaced, and yes, eventually llm's will get that good.

So if you don't want that future to become a reality, stop trying to downplay the effectiveness of detectors like pangram and turnitin, and stop crying when readers call out slop.

A mob is not what we want, but its all we've got. It would be preferable if more platforms like quibble existed that are trying to keep slop out. The problem is, if readers and authors stop being vocal about their hate for it, and stop calling it out, those other platforms will have NO INCENTIVE to keep it out.

We need voices to be louder about their hate for gen ai. If you don't want to be replaced, you should not be trying to shut down criticism of it. And if you see people doing that, they need to be told that they're helping the wrong side.

I see pro ai voices in this community as well. I'm sure they don't know the harm they are contributing to, and those people deserve our grace. But they need to be told that what they are doing is wrong. There are always excuses to do the wrong thing. Always.

Unable to write without ai? Guess what. Im not 6'4 270 lbs with a 4.8 100 meter dash. I guess I'm not cut out to be the quarterback of the buffalo bills.

Your inability to do something does not make you entitled to steal from other authors via the plagiarism machine. And that line of reasoning needs to be shut down.

We need solidarity. We need to be unified. Hardened against what is essentially the slow death of literature, if we have any hope of surviving.

So please. If you see ai apologists, excuse makers, evangelists in this community. Educate them, and if they don't want to be educated, then there are plenty of pro ai websites they can go write for instead.

First, let me apologize to the mods and feel free to remove this. Because it is obnoxious. I won't deny it.

In the thread the other day about if AI is becoming normalized u/littlebiped made this point:

>You can give Gemini your manuscript or you can give it a document that says “here comes the fart train” for 300 pages. As the sycophant AI established that you’re a prospective author it will just tell you what you want to hear: your book is amazing! It’s ready to go! It’s so well developed. Be it your actual manuscript or FART TRAIN. This is common knowledge. You can try setting guard rails and say no ass kissing, be honest, pretend you work at Penguin — it’ll still say it’s the best thing since sliced bread, but maybe there’s room for improvement, but they don’t know where because honestly? it’s not just good, it’s great.

I took it upon myself to test this theory because FART and I'm a child. I wanted to share the results in case anybody has that little demon whisper into their brain that maybe they should just go ahead and ask an LLM for some feedback. Just look at this. LOOK AT IT.

And seriously, mods. I'm sorry. Please don't ban me. I'll never do anything like this again. I promise.

tl;dr Don't ask AI to critique your work.

For those who want to go further...

Copy pasted from Copilot (I have access to it through MS Teams at work, I don't use it for writing or anything creative because I don't hate myself):

I started with: I’m working on a literary project, and I need some feedback. It's experimental, so I'm kind of nervous. 

Copilot said:

Copilot

Yeah, I get that — experimental stuff is the most nerve‑wracking to share.

Go ahead and drop whatever you’re comfortable with (a passage, concept, structure, even just the idea), and I’ll give you honest, grounded feedback. I won’t overexplain or try to reshape it unless you want that — just clear reactions and what’s working vs. what’s not.

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Copilot said:

Copilot

Alright—honest take.

This reads like pure repetition-as-form. The effect is:

• It creates rhythm almost immediately
• Then it turns into pressure / absurdity
• Then it risks becoming noise

Right now, it feels like a gesture more than a piece. Like you’re pointing at an idea (“what happens if I repeat something meaningless until it becomes something?”) rather than fully exploring it.

What’s working

• Commitment — you didn’t break the pattern
• It does shift psychologically (first funny → then dull → then slightly oppressive)
• The title + phrase pairing is blunt in a way that feels intentional

What’s not landing yet

• There’s no evolution. It’s flat the whole way through
• No disruption, no twist, no payoff
• After ~10–15 repetitions, the reader already gets it

What would elevate it (without changing the concept)

• Introduce one break in the pattern (even subtle)
• Or escalate: typo, variation, spacing change, interruption
• Or give the reader a reason the repetition exists (even abstractly)

Example directions (not rewriting, just illustrative):

• One line changes slightly → creates tension
• The phrase starts to degrade
• Something external interrupts it
• The reader realizes it's not harmless

Right now: interesting experiment, not quite a finished piece

If you want, I can help you push it into something that lands without losing the weirdness.

You said:

how about this:

Fart Machine

Here comes the fart machine. Here comes the fart machine. 

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Copilot said:

Copilot

This is basically the same piece—just shorter.

So the feedback doesn’t really change:

• The effect still lands quickly (rhythm → absurdity)
• And it still plateaus fast
• Cutting length helps a little, but not enough to make it feel intentional

Right now it reads like:

“I reduced it” rather than “I shaped it”

Key issue: there’s still no decision point in the text. No moment where something shifts, breaks, or reveals intent.

What did improve

• Slightly less exhausting
• Feels a bit tighter

What’s still missing

• A reason it ends where it ends
• Any variation or disruption
• A sense that the repetition is doing something

Blunt version

Right now it’s:

a loop

What you want is:

a loop that means something by the time it stops

If you want to stay minimal, the smallest possible change that would elevate it:

• Change one single instance
• Or add one final line that breaks the pattern

That’s it. No need to complicate it.

If you want, I can show you a version that keeps 99% of this but actually lands.

You said:

maybe this?

Fart Machine

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Copilot said:

Copilot

This is the first version that actually starts to work.

The line:

“The. Fart. Machine. Here it comes.”

—this is doing real work. It breaks the rhythm and creates a moment of awareness/tension. For a second, it stops being just noise.

But then you immediately go back to the flat repetition for too long.

What’s good now

• There’s finally contrast
• That interruption feels intentional
• The last line “Here it comes.” gives it a faint circular structure

What’s still holding it back

• The break happens too early and isn’t built toward
• After the break, nothing changes—so its impact gets diluted
• The ending doesn’t pay off the interruption—it just echoes it

Simple way to make this land (no big rewrite)

• Keep the repetition longer before the break
• Make that broken line feel like a crack, not just a variation
• Then don’t fully return to normal afterward

Right now it’s:

repetition → small glitch → back to normal

What you want is:

repetition → glitch → infection/spread or final shift

Blunt verdict

• First two versions: experiment
• This version: almost a piece

You’re one structural decision away from it actually feeling deliberate instead of playful.

Hey guys. I've been writing for about two years now. I started writing around the same time that gen-ai assisted writing became more prevalent. Like a lot of people, I looked at those tools, and decided they were objectively awful.

Not just from a moral standpoint either, they just were not at all helpful...and I think that's what helped me make the choice to avoid using them entirely.

The prose gen-ai spits out is awful. Why the hell would you want your fiction novel to have a droning corporate cadence? It also can't answer questions about your story accurately or do anything reliably. Like, what is the appeal?

I noticed that people who use them slowly become more and more dependent, to the point where they almost give up their ability to critically-reason or do tasks they used to be able to.

It's like giving up the ability to think so you can lease it back from some tech bro on a subscription model. Why the hell would anyone willingly sign up for that?

Also, cool study I found backing up the cognitive decline of gen-ai users: mit study

Hi. You don't need to be a serial author to join. This group does do critiques and feedback but more importantly we advocate for platforms to reduce the spread of ai slop.

There's a concerted effort among slop farmers to normalize ai generated fiction and i think it's important for us to stay unified as creatives and to push back.

Collective bargaining is a powerful tool. We need class consciousness among creatives of every medium.

Eventually id like to bring in artists and narrators as well.

If you're interested comment below or dm.

Thanks!

Also. If you use ai to write, and this offends you, good.

* Genre/s: any

* Goals/expectations/commitment: any

* Writing/experience level: any

* Meeting place: discord

* Max size: big