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MASSIVE SPOILERS FOR 'LUNGBARROW BY LOOMLIGHT' FOLLOW

Hello!

I came across a list of the different versions of the Other (proto-Doctor) who appear in 'Lungbarrow by Loomlight', apparently according to the author's intentions. However, in the book itself, their identities are ambiguous, to say the least. If anyone's read it, can I ask your thoughts on these readings of the 'LbL' Others?

(For context, I'm researching as many variants of the Doctor as possible, hence the raging pedantry here.)

- Chapter Three:

"[A] younger woman, wearing a lilac headdress, thick chronocular goggles, and a plain grey tunic". It also seems to be have been taken as read elsewhere that this is a younger version of Jo Martin's Doctor. But what in the text implies that? There's no other physical description - do her lines allude to the Fugitive Doctor's dialogue? (I've never watched her stories)

- Chapter Three: The Kingmaker from 'Death Comes to Time'

Not quite the same, but what in the text implies that the Kingmaker is a version of the Other/Doctor? Is it purely the "blue gemstone [...] cupped in [...] her gnarled hands" (ie, presumably the stone later set in one of the 1st Doctor's rings), which she turns into a rose bloom (a flower associated with the Other and the 1st Doctor) - and/or Chris' "[Y]ou must be a quack" (a word one of the Others later uses to describe himself)?

- Chapter Four "(Theta Eta Cubed - Paul Hanley illustration)"

"The other’s billowing cloak shimmered like an inky mirror [...] [T]he other was wearing a male body. He was a younger man, with a quiet and brooding look in his eyes": how is this Other related to Paul Hanley's illustration? In the drawing, he wears a dark blue cloak and armour, and is bearded and (at least) middle aged. (Obviously, the version in the text could be younger, but why make the association with an existing image but not make it actually match?)

- Chapter Six "(Theta Theta Cubed - Christopher Barry)"

"[A] small man, with skinny legs. He wore a black cape, a frilled collar, and a tall cap topped with a white feather." This doesn't seem to match up: the Christopher Barry Doctor doesn't wear a cape (or, at least, not in the 'Morbius' photos - though he does wear a cheetah-skin-lined one in Paul Hanley's illustrations, but the exterior isn't black), while a "cap" usually implies a soft hat, whereas he wears a sort of Tudor proto-top hat. It's more arguable, but "frilled collar" doesn't really accurately describe the Barry-Doctor's pleated ruff. Again, obviously any of the Doctors could change their costume, but it seems odd to allude to specific versions but then get the details wrong. (As it happens, the Christopher Baker Doctor has a just-about-visible feather in his hat (though it's not white, and, again, the hat's not really a cap), but his collar is definitely frilly)

- Chapter Seven "(Timeship Dinner Party Flashback - Theta Iota Cubed - Robert Banks-Stewart)"

"A dark-haired lady of Blyledge sits on a high table, opposite her secret lover" - the lady is Patience (she mentions her husband, Peylix, aka Omega) and the lover is the Other. Is this connected to the Banks-Stewart Doctor because of 'Cold Fusion' or the 'Forgotten Lives' books?

- Chapter Seven "(Theta Lambda Cubed - Phillip Hinchcliffe)"

In the Other's timeship: "A young child sits on a beanbag in the wooden room held in the travelling rock. The father attends to the gleaming dials and controls" - again, what about this specifically implies the Hinchcliffe Doctor-Other? Does he have children in the 'Forgotten Lives' books?

- Chapter 8: The Blood Thief "(Barry Regeneration)"

Described as an "old man", which seems a bit unfair, as Christopher Barry was about 51 in the 'Morbius' photos - so presumably this is an aged version. Cwej breaks his neck, leading to the following, fairly cryptic scene: "The past and future danced across the peaks and crags of the mighty House. The changing reflection of its Founder’s [ie, the Other's] face winked through emerald flames, a morphing spectre cast above the graceful skeleton of whitewood. Yet another ghost was watching as the events melted down and reformed themselves anew. [...] An old man lost in Loomlight met the fading eye of his former self" - the Other who Chris killed was described as an old man, but here it's an "old man [...] me[eting] the [...] eye of his former self". This seems a bit jumbled - why is the new Other now being described as an old man? Unless, here, it means "old man" as in 'the previous man'? And who is the "yet another ghost"? Either way, an illustration of this scene shows the Christopher Barry Doctor - which doesn't clarify if he is the outgoing or incoming incarnation. Any thoughts?

- Chapter 13 "(Wedding Vision- Chris Baker or Phillip Hinchcliffe)"

The other sat at the heart of the crowning arch in an extravagant suit, hand in hand with a dark-haired lady" - neither of these Doctors wear suits, as such. This could be a wedding outfit, but, again, strange to nod at particular existing incarnations but then not match up visually. Presumably he's marrying Patience, but Chris doesn't seem to recognise her. The newlyweds "embrace, giggle, drink, and waltz" - but Chris refers to him as an "old man" again. Obviously an old man could get married and do these things, but it seems atypical enough that it would be noteworthy if this were the case

- Chapter 13 "(the aftermath of the Culling - Theta Rho Cubed)"

Why is this not the same Other (Theta Mu Cubed - the Camfield Doctor) as earlier in this narrative? There's no implication of regeneration, unless we're meant to infer that he was 'killed' in the massacre (but this isn't specified)

- Chapter 14: "θμ³ - Theta Mu Cubed (Douglas Camfield)"

Is an "old man" with "ocean-grey eyes", wearing a “military great-coat”, a “dress-shirt”, and "suede brogues"; smokes a pipe. None of the Morbius Doctors dress like this (though the Holmes Doctor smokes a pipe in Paul Hanley's illustrations); does anyone have a sense of where this (quite specific) costume may have come from? Also, Chris tells him “I saw what happened to your family, and I’m sorry… but your grandheir was saved, a future version of you rescued her” - but shouldn't the Other know this, since the supposed 1st Doctor gives the baby to the Other?

-Chapter 17 "(Theta Omicron Cubed into Theta Pi Cubed) (Hurndall?)"

The moustachioed Gallaccio Other is flung into his dying time machine; when Chris rejoins the Other, his is described as “look[ing] like an elderly magician” - but no regeneration is specified, so this could be the Gallaccio incarnation, aged by the forces of the dying timeship, no?

He also goes into a state of flux: "The man shone with the light of memories [...] and [...] rose from the ground, flickering like a ghost. [...] The glow grew stronger, consuming his features. [...] [H]is shifting face taking on a momentary aspect that reminded Chris of the Defector [ie, the 7th Doctor]. [...] [S]uddenly the changing man looked so old, so frail, so mortal." Do people interpret this as a regeneration? (His "taking on [of] a momentary aspect" seems like something different is happening)

- Chapter 22 "(Ghost of Cushing or Hartnell?)": "[T]he other’s ghost" isn't described (beyond being "old" and gendered as male); is the Hartnell assumption just because of his presence in a rose garden?

Thank you!

Hello!

Does anyone know which auditions for the Doctor have had official releases (eg, as DVD extras or online)? I'm particularly interested in actors who didn't end up getting the part.

The main ones I'm aware of are the 7th Doctor auditions, which were released on the 'Time and the Rani' DVD and Blu-ray releases

John Sessions' and Tony Slattery's TVM auditions are also available online, but I don't know whether these were official releases.

Have there been any others?

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Can anyone shed any light on where these two photos of Colin come from, in which he's wearing his 6th Doctor waistcoat:

• https://www.alamy.com/colin-baker-actor-per0101-image5860175.html
• https://www.alamy.com/colin-baker-actor-per0100-image5860168.html

The waistcoat means this post-dates the beginning of his time on Doctor Who (plus, he looks slightly older than he did in season 23), so it's presumably from the late 80s/early 90s. Elsewhere, commentors have suggested that it could be from a play, or a children's TV series called Cuckoo (though this has been disputed).

Any thoughts welcome! (But note that, as a picture-hosting platform, Alamy doesn't accept AI submissions, so to my knowledge they are real photos; commentors elsewhere also say that these pictures have been kicking around since before commercial AI image-generation was possible.)

Thank you

I wonder if anyone can help me to interpret a particularly obscure piece of DW fan fiction...

In the late nineties, the author Helen Fayle wrote a series of fanfiction stories about a version of the Doctor who calls himself Taliesin and is based in the Arthurian dimension from 'Battlefield' (1989). He:

• Is implied to be a resurrected Doctor who post-dates 'the Relic' (the corpse of a potential future Doctor, from the Eighth Doctor Adventure novel 'Alien Bodies' [1997])
• Is explicitly said to predate the 'Battlefield' Merlin Doctor
• Travels with a de-aged version of Sarah Jane Smith, who goes by the name Vivienne (one of many names for the Lady of the Lake - Nimue being another)
• Was overtly based on Eric Stoltz in films like Little Woman (1994) and The Prophecy (1995).

Helen Fayle also wrote a short story for the charity anthology Tales of the Solar System: 'Who Pays the Ferryman'. (This uses the attached image of Stoltz, from Rob Roy [1995], to represent the character.) It's a little... tricky to interpret. Can anyone shed any light on the following:

• Taliesin encounters a Faction Paradox agent: "a woman, in black robes [...]. I have the strangest feeling I should know her from somewhere, despite her face being hooded. I should know her — or he [the Doctor] should?" She refers to him as Merlin. "She is younger than I had first thought. Dark haired, pretty, albeit with a petulant set to her mouth. Memory stirs in the breast, fluttering like a raven’s wing. This face, overlaid with a tracery of black lines."
• This is followed directly by a jumble of memories - quoted in full: "Flutter — Vivienne’s face, younger than now, with the same marks. 'The Andromedan sunsets just have to be seen to be believed…' 'In the past I’ve routed them, incarcerated them…' Flutter — Feelings. Panic, urgency, and irritation at a tall fair-haired man who really doesn’t deserve to be shouted at. 'As for the Eye of Orion. Ah, glorious countryside. A high bombardment of positive ions. Sweet smelling mists that roll across the countryside. It’s a bit like England. Perhaps that why I like it so much.' '…cast them into space, but nothing ever stops them!' Flutter — Men of steel giving unholy communion. Unconscious bodies in the village streets. 'Yes. So many wonderful sights and so long since I’ve seen any of them. But that’s going to change.' 'They’re like a disease!' Flutter — the woman's face again, her head cradled against my/his shoulder. 'We’re going to see everything… Twice!' 'Can nothing ever stop them?' Flutter — Another woman with a light streak in her dark hair, her face marred by exposed circuitry. 'What do you say to that, Lesley?' 'Prepare phase four…'" Lesley is then given as the Faction Paradox agent's name (somewhat bathetically). What is the implication of the "tracery of black lines"? And of a younger Vivienne/Sarah's face showing the same lines?
• Lesley also states that Taliesin went "back for" Sarah Jane (in another of Helen Fayle's stories, he picks up a middle-aged Sarah at the Doctor's wake), in part because he "saved her [Sarah], from the poison I [Lesley] died of”. She then implies that the Faction brought her back to life. Does any of this clarify the identity of 'Lesley'? Is she a pre-existing character from somewhere in the spin-off media?
• Taliesin then claims that this poison "was a different strain”, before experiencing a memory of "Black curls, thinning despite an apparent age younger than any before him. A tendency to dress in black." (Taliesin himself wears black, but has ginger hair.) Does this refer to a previous Doctor? Or some version of the Master?

Any thoughts gratefully received!

Thank you

Hello!

I'm currently researching variants of the BBC's Dr Who character. I know they are officially unrelated, but I'm curious about the characters of the same name from the King Kong Show cartoon and live-action King Kong Escapes film.

I'm particularly interested in the further variants of the KK Dr Whos which appeared in various 60s tie-in mangas - does anyone know where I might be able to access any of these online?? Several are listed here: https://millenniumeffect.co.uk/index.php/king-kong-vs-dr-who/.

Thank you!

I'm trying find the following particularly evasive, obscure/out-of-print material. Is anyone able to point me in the direction of:

1. It's Even Bigger on the Inside by Quinn and Howett (this is an expanded version of the original, plain old It's Bigger on the Inside)
2. Cybermen by David Banks
3. 'Doctor Loo', a strip from The Dandy (featured in a few issues, starting with #3,516: 'Desperate Dan vs a Pig!')
4. The Beano Special #24: 'The Bash Street Kids: Dr. Wotsit' (1990)
5. The Portuguese-language text of Doutor Who e os Zarbi and Doutor Who e a Invasão dos Autones
6. Disney's French Le journal de Mickey #2,494 (April 2000) - features an English-language Doctor Who-spoofing strip called 'Lost in the Jungle'
7. ‘Dr. Hu’: an unlicensed 1980s comic from South Korea featuring an East Asian version of the 4th Doctor, published in the Treasure Island anthology (보물섬)
8. Disney's Topolino #3,300, from 2017 (features a Doctor Who spoof called "the Engineer", in the strip ‘Topolino e l'Inseguimento Epocale’)
9. The 'Doctor Who: Time Lady' comic strip from the Star Begotten fanzine (starting with #16), which featured a pre-'Curse of Fatal Death' Joanna Lumley-inspired version of the Doctor
10. Unofficial Jim Mortimore anthologies The Book of Shadows (https://www.deviantart.com/jimmortimore/art/The-Book-of-Shadows-PPB-cover-392674520), The Age of Broken Miracles (https://www.deviantart.com/jimmortimore/art/The-Age-of-Broken-Miracles-PPB-cover-392672306), and The Sun in the Bone House
11. An online version of Crackerjack: '2000⅜ A Space Odyssey' (1976)
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13. Planet Mirth: ‘Doctor Who and the Dialects’ (ITV, somewhere between 7th August and 30th December 1997, Milton Jones portrays the Fourth Doctor)
14. Doktor Hoo and the Buttercups of Doom (1984/1985) - live-action fan film starring a pair of junior-high siblings
15. Fan film: Paul Mark Tams’ The Image Makers
16. Fan film: Ocean in the Sky
17. Any of Randy J. Leblanc’s Professor What series (1990 to 2009)
18. Female-Doctor fan films by Stone Circle: 'Rutan’ and 'The Alliance'
19. Fan film: 'Resurrection of Evil' (1993)
20. 'MTV, Doctor Who Style', by the Federation (https://shillpages.com/feds/fed-prod.htm) - a fan film including a version of Rocky Horror's 'Time Warp'
21. Doctor Wow: 1960s Doctor Who, muppet style - by Barry and Belinda Noble.

Any leads very much appreciated. Thank you!

Hello! Does anyone know the name of this model? The books doesn't give a name or any details, beyond crediting it to Getty Images (where searching via the image doesn't bring up a match).

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Can anyone tell me where this photo of Ian Richardson originated? Ie, what film/series.

Thank you!

Edit: He seems the right age for it to be from House of Cards (or its sequels), but I'm unsure if he ever wears this costume in them. Can anyone confirm either way?!

Downtime: The Lost Years of Doctor Who makes a reference to a Paul Cornell-scripted audio, seemingly produced by Jason Haigh-Ellery, which starred one Jo Ware as the Doctor. It's also referred to here, but I'm not coming up with any other information - does anyone know whether this actually happened??

Thank you!