Update: Avi Loeb says UAPSAC is following up on the baiting event

See this post on X

Original post

Burlison: "The time is now"

Video posted on X:

> Burlison: "My name is Eric Burlison. I'm a Republican congressman from Missouri and a member of the Task Force on the Declassification of Federal Secrets. We continue to receive credible claims of recovered crafts of non-human origin and reverse engineering programs that may have operated for decades outside of any government oversight"

> Burlison: "Those claims point to specific facilities, contractors, records, and people. We continue to depend on whistleblowers to provide this critical information, but these whistleblowers are being terrorized"

> Burlison: "Mr. President, I'm asking for you to directly restore what many of these brave whistleblowers have already lost: their pensions, their clearances, and other benefits. Provide immunity for anyone and everyone who has already come forward and for those who will come forward"

> Burlison: "Now we ask that you open the doors and let them speak, not only to Congress but to the public. This is the moment. Use the authority that you have been given because the American people are behind you on this. And the time is now"

Matthew Brown to POTUS: "Prepare the American people"

Posted on X:

> Matthew Brown: "Burlison has made his appeal to POTUS: protect the whistleblowers and free them to speak, not only to Congress, but directly to the American people. Congressman Burlison is a warrior for disclosure and a defender of our nation’s constitutional principles. He is right, the American people are ready for the truth.

> Matthew Brown: "Mr. President, the time is at hand. Protect the whistleblowers. Let them speak. Prepare the American people. Disclose the truth: we are not alone."

Avi Loeb: White House advisory council supports requests by Grusch and others

Video posted on X:

> Avi Loeb: "The UAP Science Advisory Council @UAPSAC fully supports requests made by David Grusch, Eric Davis, and others, for the Trump administration to provide legal assurances, including immunity where necessary, for current or former government employees and military personnel, so that they can share information with the council regarding alleged technology from a non-human origin and help guide the council’s scientific evaluation"

> Avi Loeb: "In parallel, the council is currently pursuing efforts to obtain and scientifically evaluate historical UAP records and legacy data through PURSUE."

For those that dont know: Avi Loeb is head of the UAP Science Advisory Council, created by the White House.

Michael Shermer to POTUS: "Make it so"

Shermer is also part of UAPSAC. He posted on X:

> Shermer: "Both Eric Davis & David Grusch have asked President Trump for immunity so they can direct officials to the aliens & craft (if that is what they are—neither one has seen them with their own eyes). Trump wants to be the most consequential POTUS in history & this would be one of the most consequential disclosures in history. Make it so realDonaldTrump"

You can tell he is having a hard time expressing to want disclosure. He has been mocking this for decades. Telepathy also, which Grusch recently said is how NHI kept in detainment communicate

Anyway this is good, because it means multiple members of that White House advisory council are now advising the White House to let the whistleblowers disclose information.

Burlison confirms "something showed up" during baiting operation with ODNI, CIA, FBI, etc

Today Burlison also posted this on X:

> Burlison: "Our own agencies went back through every past sighting, asked what draws these things in, then recreated those conditions on purpose at a site with prior activity. ODNI, CIA, FBI and military intelligence were all on site"

> "Something showed up."

Christopher Sharp writes: "This is a huge story which has been hugely under covered"

See also this post: Coulthart: DOD is running a new UAP program to circumvent Legacy Program, using "the same dog whistle, psionic summoners as Skywatcher". Jake Barber: we use US govt facilities. We provide them a path to redemption. They will use us to do disclosure. Avi Loeb: downed UAP could be studied by UAPSAC

James Clapper has stepped back from disclosure efforts, grown uncomfortable

This was posted on Liberation Times:

> Since appearing in the UAP documentary Age of Disclosure, Liberation Times understands that Clapper has stepped back from efforts to promote UAP transparency. One source told Liberation Times that he has grown uncomfortable with the recent surge of attention.

I wonder why he has grown uncomfortable. Maybe he thinks the world isnt ready, or that the gatekeepers will end up in trouble, or some adversary will benefit, or that current POTUS shouldnt be the one, or all of the above, or else something else

Previous videos, statements for this recent disclosure push

• Aug 11: Grusch, Brown, Borland, Nuccetelli, Burlison
• Aug 14: Eric Davis
• Aug 15: Matthew Brown
• Aug 17: Dylan Borland
• Aug 18: David Grusch
• Aug 19 (today, opening post): Burlison
• Aug 19 (today, opening post): Avi Loeb
• Aug 19 (today, opening post): Michael Shermer

James Fox posts Grusch's plea to POTUS (video):

> Grusch: "My name is David Grush. I am a former career Air Force intelligence officer and former senior official at the National Geospatial Intelligence Agency. I've already provided classified testimony and evidence to the Intelligence Community Inspector General and Congress about what I learned about UAP and the involvement of the US, Allied nations, and adversary governments in the retrieval of technology of unknown origin"

> Grusch: "This included photographs and videos of these operations including the craft and the non-human occupants. And I've seen this evidence with my own eyes and I've had these discussions with our nation's most senior leaders in a classified environment"

> Grusch: "I am prepared to provide a full historical accounting to the National Security Council principals and the White House Chief of Staff and make any supporting public statements that are authorized to help this administration move disclosure forward"

> Grusch: "Ready to support Stephen Miller, Vice President Vance's administration immediately to identify the records, programs, and people involved in bringing any improperly concealed activities back under lawful presidential and congressional oversight"

> Grusch: "Mr. President, give us the authorization and we're ready to go"

Avi Loeb: "deserves a serious scientific examination of the evidence"

Avi Loeb responds on X:

> Avi Loeb: "If David is fully authorized to share the evidence supporting his claims, I would welcome the opportunity to work with him immediately to scientifically verify it. Claims of this importance deserve a serious, open-minded scientific examination of the evidence."

For those that dont know: Avi Loeb is head of the UAP Science Advisory Council, created by the White House

James Fox: "He’s already given that information behind closed doors"

Another message by James Fox on X:

> James Fox: "Listen carefully. You’re not paying attention. He’s already given that information behind closed doors. He’s had it because it’s not getting out to the people so he’s making a direct plea to the president to give him immunity so he can ultimately share the truth with the American people and the rest of the world. That’s what this campaign is about"

Previous videos for this recent disclosure push

• Aug 11: Grusch, Brown, Borland, Nuccetelli, Burlison
• Aug 14: Eric Davis
• Aug 15: Matthew Brown
• Aug 17: Dylan Borland
• Aug 18 (today, opening post video): David Grusch

Posted by James Fox on X:

> Dylan Borland: "My name is Dylan Borland, a former geospatial intelligence analyst for the United States Air Force. I'm here today to ask President Trump to declassify all the records regarding UFOs and UAP that were currently brought forward by whistleblowers such as myself and everybody before and after me, both known and unknown"

> Dylan Borland: "I can tell you with certainty that I provided evidence of current operations to ODNI, AARO, the ICIG, as well as Congress, and their staff. We are doing this in hopes that President Trump will actually come forward and begin to lead on this subject and provide truth and transparency to the American people as well as humanity as a whole"

> Dylan Borland: "It is hopeful for myself and others that bringing these videos to the President, he will come forward and provide leadership to a new reality for not just America, but all humanity. Thank you for your time. Have a blessed day"

Previous videos for this recent disclosure push

• Aug 11: Grusch, Brown, Borland, Nuccetelli, Burlison
• Aug 14: Eric Davis
• Aug 15: Matthew Brown
• Today (opening post video): Dylan Borland

The post title:

> Anything we experience or know about, cannot be consciousness independent. That is because it has interacted with our consciousness (otherwise we wouldnt experience it), and interaction goes both ways: you cant kick a ball without the ball touching your leg also.

People often think of reality as our mental model of it (which lives in our consciousness), and the actual physical world that can exist perfectly fine without that mental model. Yet this must be false: that physical world must be different if our mind had not interacted with it.

This remains true for whatever findings physics makes about the world.

Posted on X

> Joe Rogan: "You said something that I thought was very odd. You said that you thought that they were demons. I did say that. What did you mean by that?"

> JD Vance: "[laughs] ...Well I first of all there is not just Christianity but in a number of world religions there are a number of mystical things that happened extra-dimensionally. I'm not where these people are, who are hyper-rationalists. I think that there are things happening in the world that we're not always seeing. I believe in God. I think there are supernatural things happening"

> JD Vance: "If you look historically at things that are similar to the alien phenomenon, where there is some strange being that kind of looks like a human being but doesn't look like a human being and it shows a particular interest in human beings and then it takes the human beings and does weird experiments on them, I think my argument is that's either bullshit, right? You're either talking to a crazy person, which I don't like. I'm not saying just because I believe in the supernatural, believe me, and I believe in everything supernatural"

> JD Vance: "If we're talking about an extraterrestrial being that is human-like but not human, that contains effectively infinite powers and is torturing human beings, you can call an alien if you want but i think there's a lot of historical precedent to call that a demon"

In the full interview they discuss much more about this. See timestamp in the next section:

Full Rogan episode has 30 minute UFO discussion

Full episode on youtube. UFO part starts at timestamp 1:51:42 and lasts 30 minutes

Vance: im going to figure out whats in these [UFO] files

At the start of the clip (in the X link), he also says:

> JD Vance: "I promise you I am gonna like sit down and spend a couple of weeks trying to figure out what's in these files... [unclear, but possibly:] I just havent done it yet"

Doesnt sound very hopeful wrt disclosure.

Vance on whether its human or NHI: "I will answer that question eventually"

This part (timestamp 1:52:42) does sound more hopehul:

> JD Vance: "Is it foreign? And if it's foreign, is it 6,000 miles away or, like, 6,000 light years away? And that is... I will answer that question eventually"

> Joe Rogan: "Really?"

> JD Vance: "Yes. I'll get to the bottom of it."

Before reading on

As usual, this post involves religion (catholicism) so it will get a lot of comments about that being problematic. My advice: just see it as a 2000 year history that could have included NHI contact with humanity. It can be 50% incorrect, distorted, have had all kinds of bad effects on the world, etc. but there could also be info related to NHI contact in it

Trailer for "Out of this world" documentary

This was posted on X:

> David Grusch: “As a Catholic, I actually have more questions than answers and I would like the Church to lead on this”

> New UFO documentary “Not of this World: Catholic Faith in the Age of Disclosure” investigates the intersection between Catholicism and the Phenomenon.

> (trailer)

You can also watch the trailer on youtube

Documentary website

From the documentary website:

> A new documentary featuring Catholic voices from around the world — clergy, theologians, and everyday believers — speaking on camera about the modern UAP phenomenon. Drawing on over fifty hours of original interviews, Not of This World tells the story of how the Catholic faith is grappling with a new reality.

> With 1.4 billion members, the Church will have a significant role in navigating what comes next.

Release date

I didnt see the release date anywhere. If anyone knows, let me know and i put it here

Previous quotes from Grusch about religion and UAP connections

Below are some previous quotes from Grusch about it:

Grusch: stories in religious texts aren't fable. They happened.

For the below quotes, watch the actual video for the full context:

Timestamp 1:03:54:

> Grusch: "Unfortunately you're bursting maybe a world view or a bubble for some people, but it actually ultimately might enforce people's belief systems, because... stories in the religious texts weren't fable, allegory or whatever. They happened! And I'm not saying all of them did, but there might be evidence if we were openly and honestly studying the subject in more detail"

Look at his facial expression when he says "they happened". He seems to have zero doubt

Grusch: Its overclassified out of fear of [among other things] theological implications

Timestamp 27:36:

> Grusch: "I think is an abuse you know so executive order 13526. It delineates the eight reasons you classify information, and the only thing that this falls under is: scientific and technical information that has National Security implications. Its boilerplate. And it's really just an abuse at this point in over classifying things, out of fear of the socio-economic, theological and counter intelligence implications"

Grusch: there's probably something darker and more disturbing going on

Timestamp 44:07:

> Grusch: "There is probably something darker and deeper and more disturbing and I did see inklings of that when I did interview so many people of High Caliber"

Grusch: "the UFO subject is probably just another facet of that same [angels, demons] phenomenon"

Timestamp 45:20:

> Tucker: "I've read a couple not just in this country but others former government officials saying they believe there's some spiritual connection to these things..."

> Grusch: "I think if you were to back out to the 100,000 foot level, there certainly is a phenomenon. And how do we quantify that? Well theologically we can quantify that as angels, demons that kind of thing. Many people with religious belief systems espouse faith in that regard, and they believe that a phenomenon exists. And really what we're seeing here with the UFO UAP subject is probably just another facet of that same phenomenon"

> Grusch: "So I think this is not something that's going to destroy... I mean even the Vatican Chief astronomer in 2009 or 2010 said the vatican's okay with non-human intelligence. It doesn't hurt Catholic theology"

Matthew Brown posted on X:

> In a debate thus far lacking specifics, let us now add some. The crimes committed under the authority of the Legacy Program include: [image that lists the crimes]

Below is the text in the image:

The crimes of the cover-up

1. Subversion of the constitutional rule of law and the implementation of secret laws, secret courts, secret orders, and secret police
2. Conspiracy to undermine the sovereignty of the United States Government and its peoples
3. The aiding and abetting of foreign powers
4. The certification and implementation of treaties and international agreements without congressional authorization
5. Violating the sovereignty of Tribal lands and peoples
6. Creating state-sponsored monopolies and other actions incompatible with a free market
7. The suppression of free speech
8. The suppression of free scientific, historical, and public inquiry
9. The use of intelligence tradecraft to destroy marriages, families, and businesses
10. Home invasions intended to gaslight and terrify
11. The use of less-than-lethal weapons, including directed energy weapons, against American citizens
12. Human experimentation, including behavioral and genetic experimentation
13. Kidnappings, forced disappearances, and murders

Full context of Matthew Browns post

The full context can be read in his new substack post called "On amnesty":

https://sunofabramelin.substack.com/p/on-amnesty

About the listed crimes, he says:

> This list is not exhaustive and will inevitably grow as additional information comes to light. The scale of the crimes committed against the American people is so vast, so grievous, and so fundamentally incompatible with the principles of a free and independent nation that the reality itself beggars belief

> Given the gravity of these charges, the American people deserve full transparency regarding the precise terms of any proposed amnesty — and a meaningful voice in deciding whether it should be granted. Will we, as a nation, accept the familiar defense of “I was just following orders” in exchange for paltry scientific data or exotic technologies that rightfully belong to the American people? This author says no

^(Definition of consciousness im using is: having experiences of any kind)

Consciousness is the "lens" (better analogy needed) through which we humans see and understand reality. It presents reality to us in the forms of the physical world. This lens evolved through the process of evolution.

Now suppose a different conscious entity (lets call it X) exists on some other planet. It evolved completely differently, and so has a different lens. That lens does not present reality to it in the forms of the physical world. For example instead of a 3D mental model of reality, it experiences reality as an intricate interaction of emotions.

Who is correct? Humans who believe reality is physical, or the entity X who experiences reality in different forms?

And does this not throw a wrench in the entire concept of reality being physical?

Before reading the rest

Like Dr. Phil or not, my advice is to look at it all with the question in mind "is this good for disclosure?". In my opinion this is a firm "yes". His name is massively well known, and so will introduce a large number of new people to the subject. And as shown below, he mentions Grusch, the reverse engineering program, etc.

Dr. Phil, Christopher Mellon, Bryce Zabel

Posted on X:

> Bryce Zabel and Chris Mellon are recording a show with Dr. Phil on Monday morning. Sounds like Phil is in the house now over UAP disclosure. Stay tuned...

That X account is operated by Bryce Zabel if im not mistaken. He is a TV producer/writer with a lot of connections in that world and previously had a podcast together with Coulthart.

I dont expect this to be some massive event, as Mellon is usually more cautious with his words about the subject than others

Dr. Phil: White House and DNI gave our team early access to 4th tranche

In that same link (see above), theres a video where Dr. Phil states:

> Dr. Phil: "[...] me and my team at Envoy Media have been given exclusive access by the White House and the Department of National Intelligence to the new tranche of information about UAPs"

Dr. Phil made a 22 minute video about UAP (a Grusch section is in it too)

In recent days he made a 22 minute video about UAP. Some quotes:

> Dr Phil: "Think about it. Doesn't it cause us to question the meaning of humanity in the cosmos? Wouldn't it change that? Wouldn't it cause us to have to reexamine philosophy, religion, and personal worldviews?"

> Dr Phil: "The potential reframing of human exceptionalism that we base our value systems on is that we're at the top of the food chain. That there is human exceptionalism, that we as humans are the be-all and end-all of this world. All of a sudden we find out that is not true"

Psychological impact could be acute stress, existential anxiety

> Dr Phil: "The psychological impact on individuals could result in acute stress, just being awestruck, unbelievable curiosity, and existential anxiety: "Who are we? If we're not at the top of the food chain, if we're not the be-all and end-all of the universe, then what are we? We are like gum on the shoe of the superior beings." How would we explain all of that?"

People will look for coping strategies, spiritual exploration

> Dr Phil: "People would begin to look for coping strategies, immediately seeking information, spiritual exploration, figuring out how do I fit in? [...] It could increase everything that we do culturally, religiously, and political identities

Yesterday: NewsNation interview w Dr. Phil:

Yesterday he also did a NewsNation interview:

> Dr Phil: "[...] it just makes me furious that our government has been lying to us for 79 years about this. They've been lying by omission. I think they've been lying by misdirection. It's absolutely ridiculous that our own government thinks we're too immature, too stupid, too foolish, whatever, to be told the truth about what's going on"

> Dr Phil: "I mean why do these people think they know better than we do about what's going on in our own lives, in our own world? Our government has been lying to us for 79 years"

Also yesterday: NewsNation interview w Nancy Mace about UAP

In my opinion this is one of the worst interviews ive seen regarding UAP. Due to the interviewer, not Nancy Mace. Judge for yourselves...

^(the below is my opinion, a pattern i see occurring over and over again)

I see many posts and comments that fit this 3 step pattern. If one is unaware, it is easy to be influenced/manipulated by them. See enough of them, and the "many people think this, so its probably true" mechanism is triggered in some people, and they become repeaters of the pattern themselves. This pattern does not break any mod rules, i dont think we need rules against it.

Here is the 3 step pattern:

Step 1: making oneself known as the good guy

Usually the poster will say something like that he is very passionate about ufos, has been into it for many years, supports disclosure, etc. So he is one of the good guys, he is just like you, fellow /r/ufos visitor.

Step 2: declaring victimhood to invoke a sense of injustice

Usually the poster will express frustration with the slow progress, "announcements of announcements", "talking heads", undelivered promises, etc. Poster was so hyped, but his hype didnt materialize. His good intentions and his hopes were crushed. In short, poster is a victim, and because he is just like you, fellow r/ufos/ visitor, you are a victim too. A great injustice has been done to you. Enough is enough!

Step 3: aim the sense of injustice at pro disclosure people, turn them into the bad guys

Finally, of course this injustice is perpetrated not by the people holding back the information (govt classification system, contractors, etc.), but the people trying to achieve disclosure. They are the ones that are visible. So they are the bad guys and should stop their pro disclosure activities at once. Either do disclosure right now! (unrealistic, out of their control) Or else stop! (end of disclosure)

Be aware and dont be manipulated by such posts/comments

It is really easy to be manipulated by the above pattern, and essentially become a tool of the gatekeepers. So i just wanted to make a few people aware of it. If you are in doubt, just ask yourself "what is the end result if we did what those posters says we should do"? Answer: disclosure would have been dead years ago if [insert all the big names of the pro disclosure movement] had stopped their activities for example in 2020.

If you are really frustrated about lack of progress, aim it at the gatekeepers

Aim it at the gatekeepers, govt secrecy, politicians inactive on the subject, etc. Dont aim it at the pro-disclosure movement. Dont become a tool of the gatekeepers

Video posted by Dr. Phil on X (1.5 million followers):

Dr Phil: "I am absolutely furious"

> Dr. Phil: "I am absolutely furious that our government has been lying to us for at least 79 years. Lying to us by omission, I think, actually creating some misdirection. That's one thing"

> Dr. Phil: "It's very clear that there are objects in our atmosphere here on Earth that are not of Earth. They're doing things, they're moving in ways that we just simply don't have the ability to do. To me, that's not a question. That is well demonstrated"

Dr Phil: they held a conference about the nuke connection, and hid that from us

> Dr. Phil: "One of the things that's curious about this, and I think disturbing, is that they seem to be focusing at times around our nuclear facilities as far back as 1949"

> Dr. Phil: "They actually held a conference about this, hidden from us. The Los Alamos conference, where they brought in Dr. Lincoln LaPaz, an expert on meteorites, because they were trying to say maybe these are meteorites. They were very large green objects and he said the foremost experts had no: these are not meteors. Meteors don't move horizontally, they don't maintain their speed, and these things were moving with intention. They were navigating, they were moving, and these have been observed over five cities all having nuclear facilities"

> Dr. Phil: "As recently as 2015 they were observed over the pan Texas in Amarillo, which is a nuclear facility. That should bother you. It certainly bothers me"

Dr Phil: this matters to mankind

> Dr. Phil: "Now why am I talking to you about this? Why me? From a psychological standpoint this matters. This matters to mankind. It matters to our value system. What does it mean? What do we say to our children if there is life that's not human? What does it mean to all of us?"

Dr Phil is "very deep into this". Will bring more info throughout the day

> Dr. Phil: "We're very deep into this. I'm going to be bringing you more information throughout the day so stay tuned. We're going to catch you up. I am"

ABC News: DOD says its already working on releasing a 5th tranch

Posted by ABC News on X (video):

> ABC News: "The Pentagon's releasing a new batch of UFO files. The latest round includes 14 documents and 19 newly released videos. Four of those videos show what the Pentagon's calling unexplained encounters captured through infrared surveillance. Now the Defence Department says it's already working on releasing another set of files"

> ABC News: "We are looking now at the fourth batch of files that are coming from the Pentagon. This is a release from the whole of government. In other words it's not just the Pentagon but other government agencies that we've seen from NASA, from the FAA. In this case this [4th] batch comes specifically from the Pentagon [...]"

Dr. Phil: ufos have been over nuclear facilities for 77 years

Posted by Dr. Phil on X, who has 1.5 million followers:

> Dr. Phil: "You're hearing this from me first. I was granted early access to newly released UAP documents, and one pattern jumps off the page: these objects have been showing up over our nuclear facilities for 77 years. Here's the record: read more"

Posted on X (video clip):

> Coulthart: "One of the things that's useful for us to know is: is there more coming? There's some speculation from Representative Anna Paulina Luna that there's another tranche coming"

> Mike Gold: "Yes my impression from meeting with the National Archives, speaking to people in the administration, is that there's not [just] a fourth tranche coming. There's an entire process that's occurring to not only release what we've got.."

> Mike Gold: "This is why I know there's frustration that this is material that was already available, like in the NASA case, or this is already declassified or should have been declassified. The way the government bureaucracy functions it is frustratingly slow in many cases as they're going after low-hanging fruit. That's what we've got in these tranches"

> Mike Gold: "My impression from what's occurring at the National Archives is that, now what they're working on is declassification of what is classified that we could declassify and having those conversations. I think the material that comes out of that will be even more interesting"

Edit: added link to video clip