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Yesterday Elizondo talked about hybrids. So did John Mack: "an awkward coming together of a less embodied species than we are", "other dimensions from which the beings come". Semivan: "[NHI say they] hybridise humans to be able to communicate better". Can interdimensionals use DNA to get here?
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Yesterday Elizondo talked about hybrids. So did John Mack: "an awkward coming together of a less embodied species than we are", "other dimensions from which the beings come". Semivan: "[NHI say they] hybridise humans to be able to communicate better". Can interdimensionals use DNA to get here?

Elizondo: we have already mixed human DNA with other species

From the video in this post (timestamp 12:28):

> Elizondo: "Can we take DNA from something else and mix it with human DNA? Yes, it can be done. We've already done it with animals, and that's common knowledge. [...] we have crossbred jellyfish DNA with mammalian DNA. I suspect in China they've gone much further than that"

Notice he mentions China. A few sections down more about this.

Elizondo: "Its possible there is some sort of [genetic] linkage [with NHI]"

> Elizondo: "[...] how can you take DNA that is terrestrial here from Earth [...] with something completely not human? But we don't know that [its completely not human]. It is possible that there is some sort of linkage there? Maybe either in our distant history in our past, where these things are not so dissimilar. [...] Maybe these things are just as natural to Earth as we are"

Is this crossbreeding possible at all?

My opinion: if nature can do it gradually, then artificially it can be done much faster. Thats not just for genetic manipulation, but the entire concept of being born, or existing as some species or other. We just havent properly developed the technologies yet, but give science another 1000 years and the obstacles are gone.

What kind of beings could we create 1000 years from now? What if we wanted to live in space, could we create a body for that? What if some beings from space wanted to live on planet X and Y?

DNA manipulation as part of an arms race

If this becomes part of some arms race, then it will go much faster and ethical constraints will go overboard fast.

Ratcliffe: China is developing soldiers with biologically enhanced capabilities

Notice that Elizondo mentioned China in the quote above. Here is what John Ratcliffe wrote in the Wall Street Journal (original) in 2020:

> Ratcliffe: "U.S. intelligence shows that China has even conducted human testing on members of the People’s Liberation Army in hope of developing soldiers with biologically enhanced capabilities. There are no ethical boundaries to Beijing’s pursuit of power."

That sounds like it is already part of an arms race. In 2020 Ratcliffe was Director of National Intelligence (now its Tulsi Gabbard), and he is now director of the CIA.

Manipulating DNA to get into other dimensions

And what is DNA even? It influences what senses you have (eyes, ears, brain, 3D vision, etc.) and so what experiental reality you exist in. In our case, this appears like a spacetime reality, but many if not most physicists already think spacetime is actually something else.

So DNA is just how these determining factors look like from the perspective that DNA generates. Change it enough and you exist in an entirely different experiental reality. Maybe things from other dimensions can actually manipulate it enough to enter ours

Think this isnt plausible? There are simple chemicals that make people experience hyperdimensional realities filled with an ecology of telepathic entities (greys, mantis, gods, etc) all of it experienced 1000 times more real than our usual state. And they can experience many years there in what are just a few minutes here.

So messing with DNA can absolutely do this and keep you in those places for eternities

Semivan: "are the entities engineered to be part of the craft, so the craft itself is alive"

Timestamp 1:30:41:

> Semivan: "Whoever's driving that craft, whether it's a remote, something being driven remotely, or there is actually somebody in it, some entity in it. Are they engineered these entities to become a part of the craft itself so the craft is alive with the entity?"

NHI have used stem cells to put brain dendrites and synapses in the craft

Timestamp 2:01:30

> Sheehan: "The project started out being interested primarily in telepathic communication with the craft. You know how Yeah. in that they discovered that that in the craft that in addition to the fiber optics that are in the craft that they're that they've that the ET people obviously mastered the stem cell technology and that they've got stem cell in the craft"

> Sheehan: "That they've got dendrites and synapses that are actually from the brains of the ET people. They've done their stem cell project into generating synapses and dendrites into the craft so that it's semi-scentient. The craft that accounts for this feeling that people get when they see the craft. Sometimes the thing seems to be alive in some way"

For what purpose are hybrids created?

First some quotes by Jim Semivan, then John Mack:

Semivan: NHI say they are hybridising humans to communicate better

Timestamp 1:09:38:

> Semivan: "We have no clue why the hell they're here. We have no clue why they're coming. They say two things, sometimes three: 1. Quit screwing around with nuclear weapons. 2. Quit screwing around with the climate. 3. We're part of a hybrid programme and we're looking at you and we're trying to hybridise humans so we will be able to communicate better and all that kind of crap"

Semivan: "NHI lie through their teeth constantly. They're deceitful"

> Semivan: "The fact of the matter is UAP and these NHI lie through their teeth constantly. They're deceitful"

John Mack (Harvard psychiatrist) ideas

Below are some quotes from John Mack, the well known abduction researcher. Keep in mind other abduction researchers have different ideas, but the post is already getting long so im just quoting Mack here.

Source 1 , source 2

John Mack: hybrids may repopulate earth after humans destroy it

> John Mack: "to produce some kind of new species to bring us together, to produce a hybrid species which—the abductees are sometimes told—will populate the earth or will be there to carry evolution forward, after the human race has completed [...] the destruction of the earth as a living system. So it’s a kind of later form. It’s an awkward coming together of a less embodied species than we are, and us, for this evolutionary purpose"

John Mack: abductees can experience themselves as aliens

> John Mack: "[abductees] will discover what is called a dual identity. In other words, that they are both human—in one dimension; but they also are themselves, have an alien identity. That they are participatory in this reproductive hybrid program, as if they were altogether part of it. And that they may, in fact, even experience themselves as aliens"

> John Mack: "abductees will feel that their job, developmentally, is to integrate these two dimensions or these two aspects of themselves: the human and the alien. And that the alien dimension is a part of ourselves, our souls, if you will even, from which we were or have been cut off over the centuries of human beings living on this earth in this densely embodied form"

John Mack: "other dimensions from which the beings come"

> John Mack: "Many abductees will report that space-time as we know it collapses during their experiences. If you ask them “Well, where did this happen?” they may reply, “Well, it’s really not in time and space as we know it.” [...] The abductees speak of “other dimensions” from which they sense that the beings come, or they say they are taken to another dimension"

John Mack: beings that are intermediaries to some spiritual source

> John Mack: "Abductees may experience the aliens as intermediaries, beings that are closer to some kind of spiritual source, world soul or anima mundi. A word they commonly use is “Home.” They feel through their abductions they are connected with their true Home or spiritual origins"

John Mack: tears of grief, cycles of embodiment

> John Mack: "When they first feel the connection with this “Home” during a regression the experiencers will often break into tears. These tears, I have come to understand, reflect a feeling of awe in relation to the power of the reconnection with a divine source from which most of us in Western culture have been cut off"

John Mack: past-life experiences are involved

> John Mack: "Abductees may also experience themselves as deriving from that source, and this also underscores their connection with the alien beings themselves. The tears may also relate to a feeling of grief that they ever had to be separated from this source to become embodied on Earth. In certain instances abductees have opened during regressions to cycles of embodiment, return to this spirit source and reembodiment, a continuous process in their personal or soul’s evolution. I have encountered many past-life experiences among abductees"

John Mack: "the choice was made before they were incarnated into human form"

> John Mack: "[abductees] will often decide they are not victims of this experience but have in fact, at some point (they are not necessarily sure when) chosen this experience. Many suggest the choice was made “before they were incarnated into human form.”

John Mack: "complex engagement of a larger intelligence through intermediaries"

> John Mack: "I have come to feel this phenomena is a very complex engagement of a larger intelligence (‘Source’ is the word most often used) through perhaps intermediaries (the ‘aliens’), towards some apparent end, which is the evolution of consciousness and the preservation of this planet"

u/phr99 — 3 days ago
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In an interview w Elizondo, Jillian Michaels asks about hybrid breeding programs, expecting denial. Elizondo answers dead serious: "intelligence officials told me that, Ive no reason to question their credibility. They never lied to me". Jillian Michaels appears shocked and almost starts crying

Jillian Michaels youtube channel has 683.000 subscribers, probably many or most of them dont know anything about the ufo subject

"long-standing agreement between us and our friends from out of town"

Instead of reading these quotes, i recommend to watch the video itself and see how someone reacts when they find out this may not be a joke

Timestamp 6:05:

> Jillian Michaels: "Where do we start? Should we start with an alien hybrid breeding programme where they are capturing caravans of immigrants and forcing them into this, or should we start with the fact that a congressman who is well-respected thinks that if this is fully disclosed, it's going to set the country on fire? I'm going to hand this one over to you here. I'm speechless"

> Elizondo: "Sure. First of all, I've had the privilege of speaking to Representative Tim Burchett and his colleagues. What he's saying regarding access to very sensitive information, he's absolutely right. Some of the people that briefed those individuals, I personally know. They were colleagues of mine back in the day. He's absolutely correct that some of the population, I think, would probably be potentially concerned about how much we know about this topic, and for several reasons we can go into that.

> Elizondo: "Now, as far as this notion of alien crossbreeding and hybridization, let me just preface this: when I was in the Pentagon at AATIP, I was a nuts-and-bolts kind of guy, so really airframe, air integrity, the materials science and propulsion behind the vehicles themselves, not so much the occupants."

> Elizondo: "What Gates is referring to is something called, in the vernacular, throughout the UFO community, MILABS. What it would suggest is that there's been a long-standing agreement or understanding between us and our friends from out of town that have allowed us to work with whoever whatever these are in a cooperative agreement. In exchange for that, supposedly they would have access to certain human specimens biologically in order to test"

> Elizondo: "I have to say, first and foremost, I heard about that while I was at the Pentagon. I was not privy to the specifics of that. From my understanding, that relationship began, if it is true, sometime in the 1950s and has continued. I have met several individuals, former intelligence officers for the Air Force and other services, who swear by it and actually say they've had encounters with UAPs and have seen military personnel in and around the vehicles, as if very nonchalant, as if it was supposed to be"

> Elizondo: "I have to be careful with going into any type of speculation about hybridization or any type of scientific study or research because that was not my forte. What I will say is I've had plenty of individuals tell me verbatim that the military, the military-industrial complex, is far more involved in this topic than anyone really knows. There are cases which seem rather interesting where you have, in some cases, UAPs potentially being escorted"

> Elizondo: "Let's get back to the question you're having specifically about hybrids and alien hybrids. I don't know. I do know that there are people out there that swear by it. There are people that have been in the military and intelligence officials that have told me that, who I have no reason to question their credibility. They've never lied to me, certainly, but I don't have firsthand knowledge of that hybridization or forced hybridization"

> Elizondo: "If that is the case then I think Representative Burchette is absolutely correct because it is true that there's a scenario where we have elements in the American government wittingly cooperating with something else and allowing human beings to be taken against their own will"

u/phr99 — 4 days ago
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Elizondo: more info about the Rendlesham case will be coming out. Also: "we are spiritual beings having a human experience". Semivan: "our view of reality is much different than it really is", "i was stunned". 16 people committed suicide because of their encounters. "intense psychic damage"

Elizondo did a little Q&A on X yesterday. Here are some answers:

Elizondo about the Rendlesham case

(for those who dont know the Rendlesham case, watch this short clip)

Posted on X:

> Question: "Do you have any unreported knowledge of what actually happened at Rendlesham"

> Elizondo: "Yes, and that information will be coming out."

I wonder how he knows it will be coming out. Is it part of the current disclosure process?

Elizondo: "we are spiritual beings having a human experience"

Posted on X:

> Elizondo: "People often say that we are human beings having a spiritual experience, I say, we are spiritual beings having a human experience"

Semivan also did an interview a few days ago, here are some quotes:

Semivan got briefings on where the phenomenon exists

Timestamp 18:52:

> Semivan: "I started getting people coming to my house and calling me up and giving me classified briefings on not so much on UAP but on the topic of the phenomenon itself, where it exists, how it manifests itself.

Semivan: "another interpretation of reality that i never considered before"

> Semivan: "When somebody sits you down and says, "I just conducted X amount of years at a national lab on this particular issue and here's what we found," you realise that the information, the data, is true, it's real. The veil just sort of falls off and I go, I'm looking at another interpretation of reality here that I never really considered before"

Semivan: "It took me a while to come to terms with it"

> Semivan: "the startling piece not so much knowing that an element of psi or the phenomenon is real, it's exposing it. I mean serious people, scientists, [...] very well-known scientists, and they said, "Yeah it's all real." I was actually stunned. It took me a while to sort of come to terms with it"

Semivan: 16 people committed suicide after their encounters

Timestamp 23:13:

> Semivan: "We had lost 16 people through suicide based on the encounters they had. I did see a HIPAA restricted presentation. My wife's a clinical psychologist so they felt it was okay to show my wife and me the HIPAA restricted presentation that they have done for the government on what had happened to some of these people who ran into UAP"

Semivan: "sometimes the psychic damage can be very intense"

> Semivan: "It's not pleasant. Most of the time situations resolve themselves. Sometimes they do not. Sometimes the psychic damage or the psychological damage can be very intense, which is why I sort of warn people"

He warns people not to get involved with the phenomenon, that can attach itself to you and wont leave you alone anymore

Semivan: the scientist said the phenomenon is consciousness, quantum mechanics

Timestamp 1:00:36:

> Semivan: "I asked the scientist, "Where would I look?" and he said, "If you drew a Venn diagram, the little circle in the middle should be consciousness and maybe quantum mechanics. That's probably where all this lies."

> Semivan: "Max Planck, one of the fathers of quantum mechanics, said in 1931 something to the effect that matter is derivative from consciousness [...]"

> Semivan: "[...] What are we really? Are we just spiritual beings or are we just parts of a non-local consciousness that somehow incarnated into these physical beings that we are today for a particular reason nobody knows about?"

Semivan: reality may be totally different, not readily digestible

> Semivan: "And what we view as our fixed reality may not be fixed at all. It may be something totally different and, as I mentioned before, not readily digestible."

Semivan: indian culture will have less of a problem with this

Timestamp 1:22:09:

> Semivan: "This is why religious scholars need to be involved in all of this to a certain extent. I think the Indian culture would have less of a problem dealing with this because it's part of their culture [...] They were very close and had a very spiritual side. Most people grew up that way

Semivan: the west will find it difficult to ingest. Reality is very different than our view of it

> Semivan: "The West not so much. I think it'd be more difficult for the West to ingest some of this particularly if it's true that our view of reality is much different than it really is, which I highly suspect is the case. Oh hell, it IS the case"

u/phr99 — 4 days ago
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Coulthart about Elizondos involvement in the Legacy Program: "I know exactly what Luis role was and I know he hasnt been allowed to talk about it because [...] it would be a breach of his national security oath because it would go to the heart of the existence of the Legacy Program"

Image: Legacy Program and AAWSAP

Timestamp 19:20:

> Coulthart: "And look, there is a bigger story here and I think it has a lot to do with Luis Elizondo's true role as a counter intelligence official in the defense department. That's as far as I'm prepared to go. At some stage, Luis is going to have to give a clearer accounting of what his precise role was, both in the alleged ATIP program and possibly also in his knowledge of and involvement with the Legacy Program. I'll leave it at that"

Timestamp 21:49:

> Coulthart: "And I can kind of sympathize with Luis to some degree. I know exactly what Luis role was and I know he hasn't been allowed to talk about it because for him to talk about it would be a breach of his national security oath because it would go to the heart of the existence of the Legacy UAP retrieval and reverse engineering program"

Video: Elizondo is asked if he's part of the Legacy Program

Half a year ago Matt Ford asked Elizondo directly (timestamp 23:05) if he is part of the Legacy Program. Matt Ford shows him this image in which the Legacy Program and AAWSAP overlap.

Watch how Elizondo responds, and also watch his facial expressions.

u/phr99 — 5 days ago
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Video: watch Dylan Borlands visceral reaction as Jeremy Corbell asks him about "Project Rubiks Cube". Borland: "I am not in this skiff. I am not going to jail"

Edit: not in A SCIF. Mistake by the audio transcriber, and me for seeing it and instantly forgetting it

Posted on X:

> Corbell: "Have you ever testified to ICIG about a UAP programme containing UAP called Project Rubik's Cube?"

> Dylan Borland: "Let me collect my thoughts..."

> Audience member 1: "No"

> Audience member 2: "Dont do it"

> Dylan Borland: "I am not in a SCIF. I am not going to jail. I can neither confirm nor deny but if you want me to answer that question, ask for amnesty for the whistleblowers, as Congress and the Executive Branch should give it to us, and I'll answer that question"

u/Proud_Lengthiness_48 — 6 days ago

Why assume matter is nonconscious? Its the root of the hard problem

The root of the hard problem is i think the assumption that matter is nonconscious. Similarly, if we assume that a fridge is empty and upon opening it we find a banana, then suddenly this banana becomes a hard problem. If we did not assume the fridge to be empty, then the banana is a totally ordinary, natural thing to find in a fridge. No hard problem then.

The same goes for consciousness (definition used here: having experiences of any kind)

So why make that assumption?

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u/phr99 — 7 days ago
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Burlison: "the president is going to issue a memo that requires, with stiff penalties, the release of any and all information and files related to this topic, so they can go about the declassification process", "[memo] will be extremely aggressive towards this release"

Posted on X (video):

> Burlison: "I think what we're about to see is a memo come out that will be extremely aggressive towards this release. The reason is that you're not really going to know what you don't know, right? Rather than just go trying to chase ghosts throughout all these government agencies, the president is going to issue a memo that requires, with stiff penalties, the release of any and all information and files related to this topic so they can go about the declassification process"

Looks like good news. I especially like this part of the quote: "Rather than just go trying to chase ghosts throughout all these government agencies". It sounds like a way to force these different agencies to be proactive, instead of just waiting for a request (which is difficult if you dont know who/where to aim the request at)

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u/phr99 — 8 days ago
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Burlison is now also talking about seraphim, cherubim: "[the bible says] we're not the first creation. There were entities part of the heavenly kingdom, that were created before mankind entered this universe", "The Bible describes them broadly as angels. Some of them as seraphim, some as cherubim"

Posted by Burlison on X (video):

> Burlison: "Let me kind of walk you through my personal journey on this. [...] how does this fit with my biblical worldview? Does this really challenge my faith? What I've come to the conclusion is that if you pay attention to what the Bible actually says, not what you think it says, this [NHI] does not conflict with anything that we believe as Christians.

> Burlison: "The Bible is very clear: we're not the first creation. There were entities part of the heavenly kingdom, the kingdom of God, that were created before mankind entered this universe. The question is: what are those things?"

> Burlison: "The Bible describes them broadly as angels. It describes some of them as seraphim, some as cherubim. I don't know what those things are, right, and those people, but at the end of the day I don't want to pigeonhole myself as a believer into saying, "Oh an alien comes from an extraterrestrial being and comes down and that doesn't fit the Bible." Well maybe it does. Maybe that's what the Bible was pointing towards all along"

> Burlison: "[...] the more that we as Christians just stick to what the Bible actually says, as opposed to what we believe it says, I think we'll be better off. The Bible doesn't say, for example, that the devil. There's nowhere in the Bible that says the devil has a tail and a pitchfork, right? It doesn't. It's not there and so start shaking away any kind of mediaeval version of your interpretation of the Bible and I think you'll be better off"

What are Seraphim and Cherubim

I asked my AI, heres the response:

> Neither seraphim nor cherubim are explicitly called angels (mal'akh = messenger) in the Bible. They seem to be a different category - closer to throne room beings whose job is presence and protection rather than carrying messages. Later Jewish and Christian tradition folded them into angelic hierarchies (cherubim and seraphim rank very high in medieval angel rankings), but the biblical texts keep them somewhat distinct

Notice that last sentence: that later traditions put these seraphim and cherubim into the angel hierarchies. But the original biblical texts didnt. And notice also what Burlison says:

> if you pay attention to what the Bible actually says, not what you think it says, this [NHI] does not conflict with anything that we believe as Christians

> start shaking away any kind of mediaeval version of your interpretation of the Bible and I think you'll be better off

Grusch: stories in religious texts aren't fable. They happened.

For the below quote, watch the actual video for the full context:

Timestamp 1:03:54:

> Grusch: "Unfortunately you're bursting maybe a world view or a bubble for some people, but it actually ultimately might enforce people's belief systems, because... stories in the religious texts weren't fable, allegory or whatever. They happened! And I'm not saying all of them did, but there might be evidence if we were openly and honestly studying the subject in more detail"

Look at his facial expression when he says "they happened". He seems to have zero doubt

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u/phr99 — 11 days ago
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Eric Davis says Grusch was briefed on interdimensionals. Grusch said "there are reasonably confident theories [on origin]", also talked about agreements. Liberation Times writes about NHI help with exotic technologies. Stratton: "There may be aspects of this that ARE so intense they cant share it"

Eric Davis says Grusch heard about interdimensionals in briefings on the crash retrieval program:

Video on X:

> Eric Davis: I think [Grusch] heard that [interdimensionals] from the briefings given to him on the crash retrieval programm. He can't tell me that level of information at the classified level because I'm not cleared for it. He can verbally on a superficial level discuss it in the open but I don't know"

Is NHI origin known? Grusch: "There are reasonably confident theories"

Quotes from this interview (timestamp 25:43):

> Tucker: "Is it known so far, as you know, where they [NHI] come from?""

> Grusch: "There are reasonably confident theories. However I have not seen all the data and I don't always trust everything certain interview subjects expose because I might have an intellectual or data analytical kind of difference in an opinion"

> Grusch: "I do encourage the president and through this act to make all data as it relates to origin transparent to the American people"

"cooperative agreements with NHI", "assistance with exotic technologies"

Quote from Liberation Times:

(Keep in mind that the guy writing on Liberation Times (Christopher Sharp) is in contact with many of the people involved in the subject and is often the first one to report new information on this subject)

> Several intelligence and defense sources told Liberation Times that, in their view, UFO disclosure would mean:

> (1) An explicit acknowledgement that the U.S. has recovered vehicles and bodies of non-human origin, potentially including living beings

> (2) An acknowledgement that the U.S. government has entered into cooperative agreements with non-human entities, and has used their assistance to understand and adapt exotic technologies.

Note the first sentence that this info comes from multiple intelligence and defense sources.

Nations serve as proxies in conflicts between NHI factions

Last year Liberation Times reported:

> Other sources, speaking on condition of anonymity, told Liberation Times that - unsettling though it sounds - certain non‑human intelligences appear to function as a control system superimposed on humanity while simultaneously cutting their own technology deals with individual governments.

> One insider went further, claiming that rival factions exist which compete - even within the same species - adding that some are benevolent, some malevolent, and others somewhere in between. One theory holds that nations serve as proxies in conflicts between factions

Jay Stratton: "aspects of the secrets that are so intense they cant share it"

Quote below is from "Age of Disclosure", timestamp 1:47:00:

> Jay Stratton: "The people behind the Legacy Programme truly believe that the secret is so intense that they can't share it with the American people. There may be aspects of this that ARE so intense they can't share it. However I think the basic fact that we are not alone in the universe, we can share that with the American people. We can handle it at this point"

Jay Stratton: people should learn the bigger story and how it impacts us all

> Jay Stratton: "Hopefully one day the American people will learn the bigger story and how it impacts us all. I want to tell the American people what I know"

What is this "bigger story that impacts us all"?

Kirk McConnell: serious people made allegations about govt sanctioned abductions

This Kirk McConnell was a senate staffer that sat in many of the classified/closed door meetings where whistleblowers informed congress, and based on which congress subsequently created the UAP Disclosure Act.

Timestamp 1:19:22

> Kirk McConnell: "Do I suspect that there have been, for example, crimes committed in the name of security over 80 years? Yeah I would personally bet some money on that. But what about things like: has the US govt States sanctioned abductions? And have even US govt personnel been present at some of them?"

Kirk McConnell: "why did the government agree to that?"

> Kirk McConnell: "These are allegations that are made out there by serious people, right? Well if that happened, okay, why did the government agree to that? Is it because they didn't have any choice because it's gonna happen anyway and so they were there to sort of monitor or something, you know what I'm saying?"

Kirk McConnell: "there needs to be a truth and reconcilliation process"

Continued from above timestamp:

> Kirk McConnell: "[...] ultimately there needs to be a truth and reconciliation process here, right? The kind of thing that South Africa went through"

He says this right after talking about the US govt agreeing to and being complicit in NHI abductions. Why would such a reconcilliation process be needed if these things didnt happen?

More about interdimensionals

If you find this stuff interesting, see also these posts:

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u/phr99 — 12 days ago
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Chuck Schumer: "Ill keep pushing until we land on the truth". Luna agrees. Also Luna: "Sean Kirpatrick is a documented liar, deep state shill, having a very bad day". Tom DeLonge video reaction. Also: "UAP drops to get progressively more spectacular. AARO is being frozen out of the process"

Luna posts image of an "Ophanim" from the Book of Enoch

Ophanim (image) is "a type of angel from Jewish and Christian mystical traditions, particularly described in the Book of Ezekiel and Book of Enoch"

Going by my AI its the Ezekiels wheel thing, which Ezekiel describes as:

  • They could move in any direction instantly without turning
  • When the living creatures moved, the wheels moved with them: they were spiritually linked
  • A spirit was inside the wheels

Original post by Luna that she did after the document drop.

Chuck Schumer: "I'll keep pushing until we land on the truth"

Anyone still doubting there is bipartisan support for the UFO disclosure, read on:

Posted on X:

> Schumer: "For decades, UFO disclosure has been a distant object — unidentified and unexplained. That’s starting to change. I’ll keep pushing until we land on the truth"

Luna responds to Schumer:

> Luna: "And I actually agree. @SenSchumer"

Schumer being positive about anything the White House does is a miracle. And Luna agreeing with Schumer is another miracle. Also noteworthy that they both clearly see this as an unfinished process that will arrive at some truth later.

Luna: Kirpatrick is a documented liar, deep state shill, and having a very bad day

Posted on X:

> Luna: "Let history reflect that Sean Kirpatrick is a documented liar, deep state shill, and having a very bad day. He was lying to the American people and intimidating witnesses. He was the FORMER director of AARO."

Burchett about next file drop: "I would say “Holy Crap” is coming"

Posted on X:

> Burchett: "Remember the Feds told us these files didn’t exist and @realDonaldTrump stood up to the deep state. The 1st drop will be big but in comparison to what is coming they will be a drop in the bucket. I would say “Holy Crap” is coming"

Tom DeLonge video reaction:

Can be seen here

"UAP drops to get progressively more spectacular"

"AARO is being frozen out of the process"

Posted on X:

> I've been told the UAP drops are going to get progressively more spectacular and that AARO is being frozen out of the process.

In the comments someone says "trust me bro", and he responds:

> No. Direct communication from Congressmen.

u/phr99 — 14 days ago
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Update 3: eventually (when?) the existence of recovered exotic vehicles may be acknowledged

This was reported by Liberation Times a few days ago:

> Asked how far disclosure could go, two sources told Liberation Times that the existence of recovered exotic vehicles may be acknowledged, including that the United States has possession of them.

Update 2: NewsNation reporter: many of the 46 videos in the release tomorrow

Posted on X:

> Alright I'm hearing now from enough reputable sources that I'm fairly sure a document/file drop regarding ufo/uap will take place tomorrow from the executive branch... including many of those 46 videos you have heard of, and I hear the rest may get released by non govt sources...

Update 1: Jeremy Corbell: Presidential UFO file release will begin tomorrow

Posted by Jeremy Corbell:

> Just now... sources in the White House as well as Congressional members tell me and @G_Knapp that the Presidential UFO file release will begin tomorrow.

> We are told it will be slow and steady at first. Nothing shocking initially. Let's see where this goes! This is VERY encouraging - that this administration is following through. More data means more leverage for those of us fighting for UAP transparency.

Original post:

Posted on X by the official Age of Disclosure account:

> As of now, tomorrow is on track to be an interesting day for disclosure.

Also posted on X by Pavel Ibarra Meda, a podcaster that is fistdeep into this and has many contacts involved in the UAP topic:

> The meeting between @timburchett & the @DeptofWar is happening now and I am also hearing we may have a release tomorrow. First batch. Trying to confirm the time.

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u/phr99 — 15 days ago
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Posted on X:

> Coulthart: "I think the event that Representative Eric Burlison is talking about is something that I'm kind of aware of and yes it was something that he was given in a classified briefing. I haven't heard it from Eric Burlison but I am aware of briefings that have been given to a number of members, including, I think, the House Majority Leader Scalise"

> Coulthart: "Essentially they've been told that yes, the intelligence community has verified that the talk of psychical abilities in the human mind to invoke the phenomenon is true and real. This is what I was referring to in my previous commentary with Admiral Tim Galladet. There are the most extraordinary admissions coming out of Congress right now where you have people like Eric Burlison, Representative Tim Burchett"

> Coulthart: "They're admitting they are being given classified briefings in SCIFs by members, representatives of the intelligence and defence community, about classified issues relating to UAPs"

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u/phr99 — 19 days ago

1. Spacetime (ST) as not fundamental

In physics there are various ideas about the nature of spacetime, but there is some consensus that it is not fundamental (quantum gravity, string theory, holographic principle, causal set theory, etc). That means it actually consists of something else, for example causal relations of some kind.

2. Spacetime as an illusion

That would mean spacetime is an illusion. Illusion DOES NOT mean that its purely a figment of the imagination, that there's no external reality. It means spacetime as a 4D system is a misleading perception of reality. So for example some fundamental causal relations are happening, our evolved pattern recognition system (our brain) recognises some of them, and converts it into a 4D mental model.

3. The "emergence" of spacetime is weak emergence

The physicists involved in the ideas described in section 1 say spacetime "emerges" from the more fundamental nature of reality. But what does this "emergence" mean? It means weak emergence: it still consists of (for example) causal relations, but has some pattern of activity that appears to our consciousness as 4D.

4. The brain is also not 4D

Note that "the brain" is then obviously also not a 4D system. That is just the illusion we are having, due to our evolved perception.

5. Consciousness evolved either in a lower, higher or non-dimensional reality

So the brain is not a 4D system, and consciousness evolved alongside this non-4D system. So then did/does consciousness originate in a lower (holographic principle), higher (string theory), or non-dimensional (quantum gravity, causal set theory) reality?

The below i think offers a clue

6. Perceptions of higher dimensional environments

There exist exotic states of mind, for example drug induced (DMT specifically), in which people experience higher dimensional, geometry transcending visuals.

One neurobiologist / DMT researcher (Gallimore) questions whether the human brain is capable of constructing such elaborate realities. He writes in his book "Death by astonishment“ that people report objects of impossible geometry and structure that simply cannot exist in our environment.” He asks how the brain should suddenly begin rendering “hypertechnological cityscapes crawling with advanced intelligences with no referent in the waking world, that not only don’t exist but couldn’t exist”

From Nature: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-022-11999-8

> Common typological, structural, architectural features were identified and catalogued (see Table 6). Descriptions of alternate or higher dimensions were most frequently identified occurring in 952 experiences (25.2%) and included an experience of 1- or 2-dimensions (n = 30, 0.8%); 4- or 5-dimensions (n = 56, 1.5%); hyperspace (n = 646, 17.1%); and alternate-, hyper-, or multi-dimensions NOS (n = 220, 5.8%). To note, it is recognized that an interaction with an entity that existed, at least in part, in some other dimension or reality occurred in 1504 experiences (39.8%); however, authors frequently reported interacting with entities from a different dimension/reality whilst not being present in that dimension/reality themselves.

7. Consciousness as having evolved in a higher dimensional problem space

Consider someone is playing Tetris on his computer. He spills some coffee on it, and suddenly is presented with Flight Simulator 2030. Would you believe that was "just some short circuiting by the coffee"? I dont think so.

In the same way, i think such experiences as mentioned in section (6) are an indication that our consciousness originates in, or at least evolved through, such a higher dimensional reality. That consciousness was operating in that problem space, just like we are now trying to survive in our 4D problem space.

Just have a look at what is happening in cells, and here. It looks like some bizarre non-human technology at work, but consider it the natural intelligence operating in organisms in some X-dimensional problem space.

From our perspective of course it looks 4D. But we know that is an evolved illusion.

8. Idealism and panpsychism

In idealism and panpsychism, consciousness does not originate in brains. What was it doing all that time (if "time" is even a correct term in non 4D) before brains? Could it have evolved its way through some higher dimensional reality, into a 4D niche?

Heres a one minute video visualising this idea (timestamp 15:02 to 16:00).

u/phr99 — 21 days ago
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Luna: Witnesses call them interdimensionals. I dont call them aliens

Posted on X, a clip from an interview with Luna earlier today (full interview, ufo part at 51:05):

> Luna: "So the interdimensional beings, I guess, are what our witnesses will call these things. [...] I don't call them aliens and I don't know what these things are that they're using, right? I think that the stuff that we have witnessed, as members of Congress, that we have been briefed on that we cannot explain, and I will leave it at that because that's going to be coming out soon. I think that the American people will have many of their questions answered.

Luna: "Read the book of Enoch"

Recently Anna Paulina Luna posted and pinned this on X:

> "Read the book of Enoch."

Heres a short description of it:

> In Enoch 1, the Watchers, a group of 200 angels led by Shemihaza, descend to Earth and take human women as wives, producing giant offspring called the Nephilim. Then there is some sort of technology transfer. God views this tech transfer as corrupting mankind, and it becomes a central reason for sends the great flood. The Watchers are bound and imprisoned until judgment.

Notice it mentions offspring and "the great flood". Look also at what Grusch last year said in his Joe Rogan interview:

Grusch also mentioned the great flood

Keep in mind he is talking for several hours with Joe Rogan and likely speculating about all kinds of possibilities.

Posted on X:

> Grusch: "People think that there would be some kind of open contact with some higher sentience that is either visiting Earth or from another dimension or whatever the origin is. But they probably don't care. They're probably neutral at best, and maybe actually fearful of us in some sense?"

> Grusch: "Or, we're - personal opinion - the progeny of some experiment, and it's almost like living in The Matrix, but it's not like an actual simulation. It's like, we want the simulation to go we don't wanna intercede because we wanna see what, you know, homo sapien sapien 2.0 is gonna do after the great flood, or something like that, right?"

Grusch wouldnt be surprised if humans are a product of genetic engineering

> Joe Rogan: "Yeah, that's one of the more fascinating ideas, is that we're some sort of a product of genetic engineering."

> Grusch: "I honestly would not be surprised. I don't know that to be true."

So Grusch is also talking about offspring (progeny) and "the great flood". Coincidence? A difference w the book of Enoch is that it says the Nephilim are the offspring, while Grusch speculates that humans are.

More about Nephilim

According to the book of Enoch, God set the Nephilim up against eachother so they would be destroyed by wars [Tom DeLonge anyone?]. And the great flood. And since they were hybrids (neither fully human nor angelic), their souls became evil spirits or demons, with no rest and no place in the afterlife.

And some more quotes from 2 years ago:

Grusch: stories in religious texts aren't fable. They happened.

For the below quotes, watch the actual video for the full context:

Timestamp 1:03:54:

> Grusch: "Unfortunately you're bursting maybe a world view or a bubble for some people, but it actually ultimately might enforce people's belief systems, because... stories in the religious texts weren't fable, allegory or whatever. They happened! And I'm not saying all of them did, but there might be evidence if we were openly and honestly studying the subject in more detail"

Look at his facial expression when he says "they happened". He seems to have zero doubt

Grusch: Its overclassified out of fear of [among other things] theological implications

Timestamp 27:36:

> Grusch: "I think is an abuse you know so executive order 13526. It delineates the eight reasons you classify information, and the only thing that this falls under is: scientific and technical information that has National Security implications. Its boilerplate. And it's really just an abuse at this point in over classifying things, out of fear of the socio-economic, theological and counter intelligence implications"

Grusch: there's probably something darker and more disturbing going on

Timestamp 44:07:

> Grusch: "There is probably something darker and deeper and more disturbing and, I you know I did see inklings of that when I did interview so many people of High Caliber"

Grusch: "the UFO subject is probably just another facet of that same [angels, demons] phenomenon"

Timestamp 45:20:

> Tucker: "I've read a couple not just in this country but others former government officials saying they believe there's some spiritual connection to these things..."

> Grusch: "I think if you were to back out to the 100,000 foot level, there certainly is a phenomenon. And how do we quantify that? Well theologically we can quantify that as angels, demons that kind of thing. Many people with religious belief systems espouse faith in that regard, and they believe that a phenomenon exists. And really what we're seeing here with the UFO UAP subject is probably just another facet of that same phenomenon"

> Grusch: "So I think this is not something that's going to destroy... I mean even the Vatican Chief astronomer in 2009 or 2010 said the vatican's okay with non-human intelligence. It doesn't hurt Catholic theology"

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u/phr99 — 23 days ago
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Burlison also writes:

> Mars-mission propulsion is one of the most strategically valuable research areas in the world right now.

> The leading American scientist on it just died young, in deeply suspicious circumstances.

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u/open-minded-person — 24 days ago