Although I’ve ran into some less than ideal INFP traits over the years, I know I have many in my INTP ways. All of my best friends over the years I have come to recognize are INFP’s.
But the thing I have appreciated the most in a world of constantly feeling misunderstood… is the ability to freakishly mindmeld with you folks.
🖖 Live long and prosper
I have always noticed that I use other people that I look up to as a means of self-regulation.
Eg. I would surround myself with smart people, not always feeling that way about myself.. then when they would judge my grammatical wording+spelling mistakes / odd logical conclusions / poor life choices.. they acted as my good parents. Where my own parents were cautionary tales of a different kind.
Ie. my friends became my parents.
Anyone else share a similar relationship this way?
I am an INTP with a curious thought .. what does an empathogen like MDMA do to a type that is already Fe dominant? Anyone willing to share their experience this way? How can such a social type become even more social .. or does it turn you paradoxically into a Te dom?
eg. It is time to eat, time to go to bed, it is time to do X.
What cognitive function do you think these signals might correspond to?
I've got this theory...
Now contained within the diagnosis Autism Spectrum Disorder (ASD) is the word spectrum. High functioning autism is basically where these traits on the spectrum are starting to enter into the measurable range.
Autism can be defined roughly as a sort of blindness that manifests in some way.
The 7th spot PoLR is both our "trickster" archetypal function .. but it can also be described as a blind spot. The blindspot in my theory is what gives the "trickster" it's characteristic shape and feeling.
For the ENTP – Fi is in the 7th "trickster" spot.
I also have the theory that the psyche will strategically use this blindspot to hide negative or adverse childhood experiences. It is like the junk drawer in your kitchen, or the one room in the house that you throw all the stuff into randomly that is pure chaos.
When you keep experiencing certain kind of injuries growing up .. also the person(s) inflicting the injuries keep aiming for the same spot .. rather than have to feel that pain, psyche orients itself so the pain lands in the place where autism presents.
Problem solved! No more Fi pain.
The problem is Fi then becomes a function you're now cutoff from and no longer have access to. Not having access to certain cognitive functions goes to limit our effectiveness in life. We can also see it control us .. in the negative patterns we keep on repeating and are unable to step out of.
If we want to grow in life, unfortunately the item we need to obtain is often contained within this autistic blind spot.
The degree of autism can be thought of like the earth and the ozone hole that was starting to happen around the time humans were using a lot of CFC refrigerants. Experience too much trauma? You're going to have a gaping ozone hole that limits your ability to be a functioning adult. Obviously also, it is not just trauma that can cause injuries to psyche .. but drug use / nutrition / etc of those who are pregnant.
You are everything that I rejected, yet we are one. Now 42 in, I am coming to accept my dark side ... AMA
Even if your paperwork, passports, documentation is 100% in compliance/up-to-date and you’re not smuggling anything illegal, etc .. how well do you handle the customs agent sort of interactions? Or just police interactions in general?
>!I got this theory that high tension INTP Fi in the unconscious, makes these sort of interactions .. not always go so well. We appear guilty, even when we’re not because we have trouble holding Fi tension. Also that border agents are likely Se-Fi in nature, meaning they’re expert in details, real-time interactions and holding Fi conscious tension. Why they always look grumpy is they're trying to force other people to mirror back a Fi state – guilty people will not be able to hold the tension without appearing very nervous.!<
>!As always the mistyped INTJ's will be saying they have no problem with Fi because they have a Fi child, not Fi unconscious.!<
Not a cop, I swear! 😉🤫
I’ve been working on a way to visualize Jung’s cognitive functions as a mechanical system, and the puppeteer’s marionette turns out to be a surprisingly good fit.
Thinking–Feeling and Intuition–Sensation form opposing axes. Place those axes perpendicular to one another, then mirror them across a conscious/unconscious divide, and you get a model where the functions are not just sitting in a stack. They are actively pulling against one another.
Jung describes exactly this kind of relationship:
>“Thinking... must scrupulously exclude feeling.”
“For intuition really to become paramount, sensation must to a large extent be suppressed.”
“I regard the relation of the unconscious to the conscious as compensatory.”
The image shows how I currently visualize the ENTP psyche. The interesting part is what the geometry might imply if the positioning is correct.
Push into unconscious Se, and Ne becomes more strongly expressed on the conscious side.
>Throw an ENTP into a novel physical environment and force them to interact with what is actually there. Se feeds them concrete stimuli, and Ne immediately explodes those stimuli into possibilities.
Engage unconscious Te, and Fe is pulled toward a stronger conscious position.
>Put an ENTP in charge of getting a group to accomplish something efficiently. The harder they push into Te-style organization and control, the more Fe gets pulled forward to manage the human consequences.
Engage unconscious Fi, and Ti is pulled toward a weaker conscious position.
>Want to temporarily shut off an ENTP’s Ti? Find the thing they secretly consider sacred. Once Fi gets pressed hard enough, it pulls T/F axis to a neutral "off" position. The endless analysis can collapse.
Move one part and the rest of the structure has to respond.
Thoughts, comments, questions?
Systema Munditotius Explorer – Puppet Marionette - See it in action
What’s your opinion of people that are high in Fi and did you grow up in an environment where there was lots of yelling going on (or other Fi abuse)?
>!How many times a day do you jerk off?!<
What is your relationship with developing a vision and then doing the hard mundane/boring everyday work to get to the final destination. It is my theory and hypothesis that the ENTP/INTP suffer from the same demon (it just looks a little bit different).
When the going gets tough, the tough .. fizzle out.
We can only keep going if they have the fuel source of other peoples excitement around an idea..
Standard sequence
Each player repeats every item in the exact order, then adds one new item.
>“I’m going on a picnic, and I’m bringing apples.”
“I’m bringing apples and a blanket.”
“I’m bringing apples, a blanket, and cheese.”
A player is eliminated, loses a point, or restarts the round after making a mistake.
The question: Where you good at it – or does it strike fear into your heart?
>!Theory: This is a Te + Fi biased game.!<
They often entertain my ideas with great skepticism – naturally – then weeks or months later they eventually come around to them. They then pass off / frame these ideas as their own 😂
I let them believe so – because changing their position is what actually matters 😉
I have seen this play out with multiple ENTP like folks .. so I have some confidence it is actually a thing.
Tell me why I am wrong. 🙏
How often do you say this word to other people? Those that use it regularly – was it always this way?
>!I got this theory – that part of the reason we're INTP is we have trouble saying this word. ie. Worried that others will not like us if we do. !<
>!Edit: Are the people saying they have no problem with it – actually INTJ's who are well aquatinted with Fi? 🤔!<
I have always found that Ne crack addiction of trying just one more thing, playing one more round, etc.. is the thing that has always been my downfall.
They say curiosity killed the cat. Are you the cat?
Detrimental outcomes that arise from this .. never getting done what life chores I am actually suppose to be doing.
Explore Carl Jung’s cognitive functions beyond the traditional four-function stack.
Observant INTP like frame here, who has a lot of INFP friends over the years.. recently posted a question on here about INFP’s and disassociation - which seemed to resonate.
My next question - is talking to yourself a common INFP thing? I had a more eccentric friend who seemed to exist in some form of abstract state. I would often not know if this person was talking to me or themselves.
It was a fun game to play.. to try and determine which one it was. Maybe it was both? 🤔
Bit of a weird subject title – but how do feel about the noise of children playing? It seems like it is a bit of innate normal human trait to be able to find such things endearing, but for me its just like nails on a chalkboard. Intense annoyance – where I usually try and remove myself from the situation and walk far, far away.
Would you ever want kids of your own? I know it is probably best for me not to have kids as I would want to strangle them...
edit: Theories around this might go to be the more spectrum among us, loud noises are more jaring. But this might be when I have an INFJ-like Se inferior thing going on.
Explore Carl Jung’s cognitive functions beyond the traditional four-function stack. This video examines the Feeling vs Thinking and Intuition vs Sensing axes, combines them into a spatial map of the 16 personality types, and connects the model to Jung’s Systema Munditotius.
Modelling the conscious experience in a Minkowski space projection – with a competing bi-polar gradient emitter on hyperplane of the present. Think Carl Jung's cognitive functions + the same math Einstein's used in General theory of Relativity.