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Identity crisis/help.

(This could be considered a ran/vent under the flair too. Mods I beg you don’t take this down because there’s a genuine question at the end.)

I’m too embarrassed to use my main account to write this, I just joined this community today anyways. Embarrassed/shame/fear, I don’t know but it’s anything but pride and knowing who I am. I need help. I don’t even care if I sound desperate. I feel like an imposter, more so, a thief. I don’t feel enough.

My maternal g-g grandparents were victims of the h-caust. For my sake, I will change their names.

Franz was Sinti from Austria, and his wife Jolana was from Budapest, Hungary, as what I was told from my grandma. We don’t know much about her. As a way to protect their family, they forbade themselves from teaching their culture and their ways. They were very traumatized, which was extremely common for families who suffered from that genocide. I think it’s why there’s so little about her more than Franz that we know. Then again, from what I remember if I’m right, she was kind of reserved from what my Grandma told me. So I assume in general she wasn’t as outgoing than her husband, Franz.

Let’s say I began spiraling because of results, I began obsessing with my percentage. Knowing we were of Sinti (Franz) + Romani (Jolana) heritage, is not new. I’ve known for a few years now when my Grandma finally had the discussion and told me what happened to our family. I just never became connected, because anything that elders knew was not allowed to be known. And anything that was known, was little information. My grandma never cared for percentages, even when she did her test, she never saw us as more or less. The numbers she saw never changed her perspective, the history and the family only mattered. She even said that to me, “It’s your culture too.“ It’s only one of the problems. I’m not connected. I haven’t lived the life as a Sinti + Romani person, nor have I lived the experience. I am apart of a marginalized community, but our oppressions and struggles aren’t the same.

The other issue though, is that based off of the test, I don’t believe Franz’s wife was ethnically Romani. And I understand it will vary depending on the families personal history, mixing with non-Roma or not, or just in general what Roma and where did they come from. But based off of the math, even if she had some, it doesn’t contribute to my %, even the slightest bit of higher than it already is. Nor do I have Hungarian DNA, most of it is Germanic. Now what I do believe, is that she was possibly adopted by a Hungarian Roma family, carried the language, traditions, customs, etc. She did become a victim in the holocaust herself, and I doubt they were DNA testing anyone (sarcasm but serious). But by association, family, and her upbringing did it make her a target. In their eyes, they saw her as Romani anyways. A key thing I remember though my Grandma told me was one way they would pass down culture was by recipe. One was a hungarian dish and another Austrian.

Do I even have the right to connect regardless of my percentage? But specifically in Jolana’s case, do I even have a right of learning the culture she was welcomed into and considered as one of theirs? Although by blood that connection is not there? I took pride in knowing, I didn’t care much for a commercial tests results. But recently I began worrying. Even by acknowledging I feel like im taking, even by asking questions and connecting I feel like taking. I feel like I should just be quiet about it like I never knew. Then again, that’s what Franz and Jolana wanted.

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u/Final_Letterhead1411 — 2 days ago
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Questions about The Crown of Leaves for the Romani people.

Please educate me. Apologies in advance, either due to langue, culture or just ignorance, my wording will offend or put some or all off.

MY Background: American, white, milk-toast, pumpkin spice drinker. Ignorant. Asking questions. A TCoL enjoy-er.

So far, as far as I know, the TCoL has a Romani in the team? I could be wrong. It is heavily inspired, the clothes, the colors, the langue (I think), Vardos. It is beautiful, the art is beautiful. As far as I know its romanticized heavily in my opinion. Of course it is inspired by more than just Romani.

>>> To cut to the chaise, is liking it, be inspired by it, using the words/langue, wanting to make fan art inspired by TCoL, offensive?

To my understanding, please correct me if I am wrong. the Romani people have had it Rough, capital R Rough throughout history and romanticizing only selective culture can and is seen as offensive. I really love the setting of TCoL, the mystery, story, characters (Roui, Junyver, Brilla), fictional races. However I wish to be respectful. I only have 1 Romani friend, I admittedly don't know them much, but I wish to not offend, ever.

Thank you for reading, I might delete later after I get my answer(s). I wish everyone who reads this a nice day, week, month, year.

Edit 1: maybe I am looking for some form of validation. However, correction, Romani people still have it Rough today, from the holocaust to avid racism being directed at Romani to this day, as well as hippies, laws specifically targeting Romani, etc. I am sorry to read this from with in this reddit and as I become more informed I might just add more edits. I hope I am following the rules.

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u/CurtofOwls — 2 days ago
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Black Dutch

Has anyone’s family in USA specifically explained their black Dutch? I know some of the Roma/ Sinti I’ve connected with early 1700’s coming here have called themselves this to gadjo.

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u/drabarnidrom — 3 days ago
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What did the Romani community do to earn the ire of Disney?

u/Miao_Yin8964 — 5 days ago
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LGBTQ pride! 🏳️‍🌈

Romani gypsy pride represent at local queer community LGBTQ event 🏳️‍🌈 us queer Romani exists and are proud of both identities 😍

u/umekoangel — 4 days ago
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With LGBTQ pride month around the corner

🏳️‍🌈This subreddit is LGBTQ friendly. We have staff apart of the community. We have many here who are apart of the community. Being gay, trans, intersex, etc. is not a crime and is not "unnatural". Members showing themselves with both Romani flags and LGBTQ related things is fine here. Gay Romani exist. Trans Romani exist. Especially with so many areas being openly hostile to LGBTQ individuals, you are welcome and loved here. I'm so happy you're still alive today. 🏳️‍⚧️

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u/umekoangel — 4 days ago
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Is google translate at all useful for translating Romani?

I know that Romani is divided into different dialects and I'm not sure how similar they are to each other. Plus google translate isn't the most reliable translator.

I was trying to find the translation for "New" and it gave me "Nevo", which to me sounds like a stereotype of a non-English way of saying new, but I don't know.

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u/IndieJones0804 — 6 days ago
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I got called a "fkn g*psy" today in a joking manner as if it was funny, the person didn't even realize what an insult this was to me.

I have OCD, PTSD, and REALLY bad anxiety and I haven't been able to stop obsessing about a minor interaction with a gadje rakli that happened this morning. I just need to vent...

I was raised to not tell gadje fowki that I'm mixed Romanichal (American). The few times that I did I was either met with stereotypical racist remarks or I was accused of lying and told that G*yspies are just a made up thing, that they're not even real... I have literally gone my entire life hiding my culture and ethnicity from gadje fowki. It's a very touchy subject that's caused so many identity issues, I've known my therapist for over 10 years and I only just recently told her that I'm Romanichal because it was that hard for me to confide in someone about it.

But anyways, today I was having a friendly conversation with an acquaintance and she got on the topic of culture and without thinking I blurted out that I'm Romanichal and that we have our own culture (I get sooo tired of hiding it, it just spilled out). This rakli started laughing and said "you fkn g*psy!" as if it was funny, she wasn't trying to be malicious and she didn't even realize how offensive and hurtful she was being, she just said it so casually. The world is so desensitized to the racism against Romani, unlike other types of racism, if it's discrimination towards Romani then it's a type of racism that's actually acceptable. To me it was the equivalent of if I was black and being called the N word. Then she goes on to say "oh I know all about you g*yspies, I watch y'all on TLC" and starts spitting out some stereotypical nonsense that she "learned" from watching TV. My anxiety was through the roof, I was too scared to correct her or let her know that her comments were discriminatory.

I know it doesn't seem like a big deal and this is NOTHING compared to the violence that Romani people as a whole have been through for 1500 years but with my OCD/PTSD/anxiety and identity issues I can't stop analyzing and replaying it in my head, it's been on repeat all day long. She wasn't *trying* to be hurtful, she spoke out of ignorance but I'm just bothered by how casual she was and that she didn't even understand that what she said was triggering. I have to see this person several times a week and now I feel extremely uncomfortable.

Again, I know that this comes no where near in comparison to the horrors that Romani have faced, it's just that my OCD, PTSD, anxiety, and identity issues make handling it so much harder. It's been stuck in my head all day long. Please don't fun of me, I'm really struggling with this. I hold it in for so long and try to hide it from the gadje world and the moment I tell somebody, this is the type of response I get every single time. 😭

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u/ayeyoualreadyknow — 6 days ago
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A clear proof of the stupidity of anti-Gypsyists is when they say that we should be like blacks in America, which is backed by exactly the same arguments from American racists

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u/Ok_Exchange_3510 — 5 days ago
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New hungarian MPs belonging to ethnic minorities being sworn in in their own language: in Romani (Beás and Lovari), in Romanian and in Croatian.

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u/krakenhall — 11 days ago
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A reconnecting(?) Romni

Hi. I have confirmed Roma ancestry. Is there a way for a predominantly white person to respectfully learn about (and hopefully participate in) Romani culture? For context, I live in Central/Eastern Europe.

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u/TheContralto — 7 days ago
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A random thought related to how badly misunderstood we were historically

Our word for deity is divla or devel(and other variations) and in many European languages the word for evil spirit or Satan is devil, so whenever new cultures encountered us and asked about our ways or who our god/gods were, we would respond with "we worship devel" that must've immediately turned many europeans against us immediately.

Do you think this added to the stereotypes of us being evil and satanic or is this just insignificant details and im overthinking? I've not seen it pointed out anywhere so I thought it'd be worth sharing the thought.

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u/Winter-Reporter7296 — 9 days ago
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Traditional Clothing

I saw some people in the comments suggesting this is a traditional rroma flamenco skirt?

u/ProfessionalCan9824 — 9 days ago
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Alicija from Poland in Eurovision

Does anyone here watch Eurovision? Alicija from Poland this year kinda looks Romani. Does anyone else think this? Internet says shes 100% Polish but she for sure looks mixed with something else maybe.

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u/Careless_Monitor_803 — 10 days ago
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Question about this to other Roma and Sinti??

To all the Roma and Sinti here, how do you guys feel about the movement online where a lot of people want to include Romani people within AAPI Month because of our South Asian origins, and because our culture and language still have Indian roots? People want to recognize the Romani community as South Asian. In my own opinion, I find this a bit iffy. There’s nothing wrong with acknowledging that Romani people do have Indian ancestry, and that modern-day Indian people can find similarities between their culture and Romani culture. However, I do find it somewhat problematic because it can erase the history of anti-Romani racism, as well as the discrimination Romani people have faced and still face today, by trying to simply say, “Romani people are just a South Asian group” or “just an Indian group.” Also, in my opinion, Romani is a race of its own. Our clans are our ethnicities Lovari, Kalderash, Kale, Sinti, Romanichal, etc. No matter the skin tone of a Romani person, whether they are light-skinned, dark brown, or mixed with something else, we will always be racialized as Romani and still face the same treatment. A regular Asian immigrant in many European countries will often face better treatment than us, and Romani people generally do not have the same privileges that Asian immigrants may have. In many cases, we also face more racism than they do, even though Europe often claims to be more progressive and “less racist.” Overall, these are just my thoughts and opinions on this, and I really want to know what you all think.

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u/Accomplished_Pin_834 — 14 days ago
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Romania de față

partidele acuma se lupta una contra alta ar trebui să lupte contra problemei nu între ei…
Vad video de pe or ce retea si nici nu sti ca sunt parlamentari pentru ca nu vorbesc despre romania, vorbesc desde celâlalt partid… La asta rezumâ conducerea?!?!
Ne vad ca niște bagnoge ca un simplu CNP, fără sentimente!!

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u/PinteaJr22 — 10 days ago
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I’m Romani but I’m confused about rumneychals?

I’m just really curious if we are the same because we don’t speak the same language at all and we have very different traditions and lifestyles like we are so opposite how do we have the same label? I really just am so confused.

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u/SmartCase9374 — 14 days ago