To what extent is generational trauma responsible? Are both your parents narcissists or did one just marry into a shitshow? Have you been able to break the cycle? If you have any siblings, how has it affected them. Is your entire extended family consumed by it?
They’re all very well written but who does it for you the least so to speak? (And yes I don’t think Connor or Greg are necessary to include because they have less significance overall imo and I really want to hone in on these five. The Conheads are not gonna love this)
Her backstory seems the most vague out of all of the kids. Maybe it is an Occam’s razor type thing where she was just the spoiled princess archetype and simply felt overlooked for being female but there has to be more to her imo. That explanation feels a little hollow. I want to know what makes her tick, like why is her relationship with Roman so gross and who was she with before Tom and what happened between her and Nate and her and Lisa Arthur? Why did she want to get into politics specifically? Just to piss Logan off? How much did she know about the wolf pack before the cruises scandal? Did her mom always have a vendetta against her or did Shiv push her away? So many questions.
For me I think Roman was probably abused by a nanny or something, but I don’t think it was Moe or that camp counselor he mentioned once. I def think he’s a CSA victim though and imo it was probably a woman. Him having been molested by a woman would explain his oedipus complex, alt right grifting, and overt misogyny (addition to Logan’s abuse ofc). I also could see a scenario in which Shiv was in a predatory relationship with an older man when she was a teenager and it’s part of why she belittles/tried to control Tom so much (again in addition to Logan’s lifelong abusive obv) but that’s more reading into the lines and my own personal speculation. It’d totally reframe her convincing that woman not to testify imo. And I think part of Logan’s resentment towards Ewan is because Logan took the brunt of the abuse from Noah for whatever reason (maybe Rose was part of it once that happened) and Ewan wouldn’t defend him as much as Logan would’ve liked. Also I read a theory once that Kendall is sterile because of using drugs from a young age and that would actually fit his character very well imo, always self sabotaging and ruining his chances of ever impressing Logan. And lastly, Logan 100% is a sex abuser. Not only did he hang around and cover for the “Wolf Pack” so much but honestly I feel like he might’ve been the one setting the temperature for all those things so to speak and in season one when he instinctively grabbed Shiv while delirious said a lot. We never explicitly get confirmation that he thought it was Marcia and while I definitely don’t think he knew it was Shiv, I think in his delirium he saw a woman and instinctively put his hands on her. Even if he did think it was Marcia it would still kind of be a violation of her. TLDR for this whole section I think Logan was more than complicit in Moe’s shenanigans and Cruises.
Positive, negative, nonexistent, or somewhere in between? Do you consider them to have had a significant impact on the person you currently are? How did/didn’t their relationship with your parent(s) affect you?
Everyone always talks about girls with “daddy issues” or guys who demonstrate “fatherless behavior” but the potential dysfunction between a man and his mother seems less discussed in the general zeitgeist. Can anyone with a background in psychology or even just relevant personal experiences provide any useful insight into this? Like how feeling rejected by or codependent to a mother can affect a son in comparison to a daughter?
Like if they had no business incentive involved who do you think would vote for Mencken anyway and who do you think would vote for Jimenez?
How does it affect your childhood development and perception of the world? Were you ever taken out of their care? How do you look back on it as an adult? If they turned their lives around could you forgive them? How does it affect the way people around you did/do view you?
The ambiguous document mentioning Kendall and Greg, Kendall and Roman trying to tank the deal, Shivs pregnancy, Shiv betraying Ken and Rome, Living+, calling the election for Mencken, Logan’s funeral, and Shiv backing out at the last minute resulting in Tom being appointed a puppet CEO for Mencken (and everything in between).
Fire Lord Ozai from Avatar the Last Airbender or Logan Roy from Succession?
Personally I think no. I think the Roys and their associates are portrayed as abhorrent people living deplorable existences but I don’t think the show is trying to convince you that people like them are inevitable. If the world was just fundamentally bad then it would take away from the cautionary tale that these people are supposed to be. Late stage capitalism is the plague, not the world itself, and believing that this is the only way to be is letting people like Logan be right. That’s just my take though, feel free to disagree.
I think they turned out okay-ish overall
The Roys (Succession)
The Fire Nation Royal Family (Avatar the Last Airbender)
The Bluths (Arrested Development)
The Yeagers (Attack on Titan)
I think Kendall probably dies tbh. I’d bet he drowns somehow too, probably involving drugs in some way. I also hope Sophie grows up and writes a tell all about that whole fuckass family one day, it’d be cathartic. I think Mencken does end up as president and it basically turns out like what the current administration is. I imagine that Shiv and Toms kid ends up being Little Lord Fuckleroy 2.0 (ik a lot of people think they have a girl but imo I think a boy would be more interesting). I like that the show left off where it did though before it got stale, this is mostly just food for thought.
What are some of the worst takes/opinions on this show that you’ve seen from people? I’ll go first. The idea that any of the Roy kids deserved to win at all, or that it would’ve fulfilled them for that matter. They’re all broken people and being CEO wouldn’t have changed that, in fact it probably would’ve made it worse.
I didn’t include Connor because he’d probably win by a landslide compared to these three
Imo it would be the Old Guard, particularly Gerri. I’d wanna see how Waystar ran on a day to day basis before the kids went and fucked everything up.
I know none of the kids in the intro are specifically the Roys but for some reason this kid always stuck out to me, because he looks a lot younger than the kids are otherwise shown to be in the intro and it’s a noteworthy addition relatively late in the game. Also, in a way it almost looks like it’s from a time earlier than the rest of the childhood memories shown in the intro. Could it be a stand in for Connor? (Yes I know it’s meant to show how Logans kids are “not serious people” because the kid is driving a fake toy car on the lawn with a real car in the background but this is just food for though I guess, since some of the intro kids are clearly reflect the Roys, like the boy standing with Logan is obviously Kendall and the red hair girl with Logan looming over her is clearly Shiv, especially since she recreates this exact pose in the season three finale with Tom)
Yes I know these aren’t actually the kids but they’re clearly meant to represent them on some level
Personally I think no because they are all their own worst enemies and keep falling deeper and deeper into a hell of their own choosing because they can’t let go of their irredeemable desires but maybe there’s someone out there more optimistic than me who knows. Honestly I think the only salvation for the Roys is if the whole family just died out because they are all beyond fucked in every way.
Edit: I mean like will they ever try to be better people or will they just never care enough no matter how miserable they become