u/NerdyKeith

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In a similar sense, when we see capitalism and corporations profit from the LGBTQ community, we call this rainbow capitalism. This is when capitalist industries make money from the LGBTQ community, using them as a commodity for the sake of profit alone. And basically just pretending to have these positions for "ethical" reasons.

I do see a similar trend when it comes to veganism, especially with food. During the big vegan boom between 2016-2019, lots of companies got on board with "going vegan" and promoting their vegan menus and various vegan products. Then all of a sudden they don't seem to care, are promoting veganism less and so on and so forth.

I guess we can't really call this "greenwashing" as that is more to do with fake advocacy of environmentalism and not necessarily veganism. What do we call this fake support for veganism?

What happened to the etiquette of keeping quiet to respect those who are reading and studying?

Thought this was just the way of life outside Dublin, but maybe this is a global cultural change.

Librarians talking at the top of their voices, kids running around screaming, people laughing loudly. Libraries used to be the best place to for for a quiet read. I concentrate more in a coffee shop these days ironically.

What are your thoughts on this?

So in a previous post, I got a response from a user here who claims veganism has nothing to do with cruelty. I honestly think this is the wildest claim I have ever heard from a fellow vegan.

I'll copy and past their comments so you can react to them:

>"Veganism has nothing to do with cruelty ..."

>"... Familiarize yourself with the origins of veganism, as written by Leslie Cross in 1951 in his letter 'Veganism Defined:' https://understand-veganism.com/lesliecross/1951-veganism-defined.html

>Veganism isn't about rejecting harm or about killing animals or the death of animals.

>Veganism was originally defined in 1951 as "the doctrine [principle] that [hu]man[s] should live without exploiting animals," the original meaning: animals are not ours to use.

>Not an environmental strategy, not a health programme, not a campaign for less suffering. Less suffering may follow but it is not the point ..."

>It doesn't matter if you disagree. That's not what veganism is. What you're describing is a plant-based utilitarian framework and is not veganism.

>Feel free to read the resource I kindly offered, and please refrain from framing veganism this way in the future. It does not do any favors, on the contrary, it muddies the water even further and makes it harder for animals to be emancipated.

>Veganism is a simple principle, that animals aren't ours to use. Whether or not an animal is being harmed is irrelevant to that principle, and framing it in a way that puts "harm reduction" at the forefront says this: "using animals for our benefit is okay if there is no harm involved in their use."

>This is not a message that you would spread if we were talking about human slavery, so don't spread it here.

To me, this sounds like an argument promoting the idea of wanting a vegan world right now, and not being willing to do the work to get there. The problem with that is the simple reality that we do not live in a vegan world; we also don't live in a socialist world. We live under a system that favours factory farming and capitalism. This means that there are certain things out of our control. We have to purchase our food in supermarkets that also sell animal products and promote them heavily. Sometimes we don't always have the option but to take medications that contain animal-derived ingredients. Oftentimes, we will be in restaurants and a server and/or chef messes up our "vegan" order.

Expecting a complete abolishment of using animals for human consumption right now is not an obtainable reality. Advocating for better animal welfare, a scaling back of animal agriculture, and projects that move people more towards veganism. Of course, veganism isn't about health. But the reality is that when we advocate for programmes that promote plant-based nutrition, it moves people in the direction of veganism. As do climate change initiatives. What is an obtainable reality is acknowledging the system we have and finding ways to chip away at it, so fewer animals have to suffer, until eventually no animals have to suffer.

So I personally stand by the definition that most vegans seem to go with:

" ... philosophy and way of living which seeks to exclude, as far as is possible and practicable. all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose"

This is from the Vegan Society, and I happen to agree with it. You'll notice their emphasis on the term "cruelty" here.

What are your thoughts?

As in all animal products (regardless of what they are) should have a 70% animal cruelty tax added to them, making plant-based alternatives vastly less expensive. And thus making all animal products so expensive that nobody in their right mind would purchase them.

Say if we eventually get a new series (or even a future movie). Could Species 8472 work in a modern Trek?

For those who need a recap Species 8472 (or The Undine), where the only species arguably more powerful than the Borg. What do you think?

As many know Brendon Urie was involved in quite the few controversies a few years ago. Just wondering if any of you have boycotted Panic since that all went down. I'm still on the fence on how I feel about it all.

I know he apologized but that doesn't exactly erase the harm caused. But at the same time it was such a long time ago. I'd like to hear some other perspectives on this.

Christopher Nolan’s adaptation of The Odyssey, is partly filmed on occupied land of the Sahara. Could he have chosen another desert? Will you be boycotting? I certainly will.

From what I understand RISE is basically part of PBP. Anyway I sent a message directly from the RISE website to ask a few questions about the organisation before making my final decision to join, that was almost a week ago.

I'm not sure if it's a case of them being a small group of volunteers who may have not got back to me yet or if I am better to email PBP directly? If anyone has had any experience working with them, if you could offer any advice.

I want to get more involved with leftist activism in my free time, so would be great to get the ball rolling.

Thanks in advance

Wouldn't mind seeing an Am I The Eejit subreddit? I'm sure it would be gas. I can only image what people would be posting.

… they view a desire to transition to socialism or communism as unnecessary or a step to far.

So my thoughts on this is, it’s kind of like trying to patch up a broken boat with styrofoam. You can keep hiding the cracks but sooner or later they keep resurfacing. As this solution is not sustainable.

Then of course they usually love to throw in the tired old arguments that socialism has been tried and failed. Debatable. A long with you’d have none of the infrastructure we have today without capitalism. Personally I think we would, it would just maybe look a bit different and operate in a more just fashion. The worst thing a socialist society could do, is get rid of the Elon Musks of the world. And “by get rid of” I am literally talking about their disproportional accumulation of wealth and money hoarding.

How would you articulate a rebuttal to die hard capitalists?