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There was a pretty obvious reason why Santa Claus never showed up to Bikini Bottom to deliver its residents Christmas presents on Christmas Eve night, SpongeBob, Patrick and all of Bikini Bottom’s residents minus Sandy, Squidward and Mr. Krabs possibly stayed awake all night waiting for him to arrive since Santa only comes when you are asleep because he doesn’t want to be seen by people when he is delivering presents.

Sandy either didn’t tell SpongeBob that Santa only shows up when you are asleep or she did tell him or he probably wasn’t paying attention or did pay attention when she said it but he was overexcited over Santa’s arrival himself that he forgot that Santa was supposed to come when you are asleep and encouraged them to keep caroling until Santa arrived instead of going to bed, and by the time he realizes his mistake on Christmas morning, he is too late, and it did make his sadness after being mocked by Squidward at lot more understandable over unintentionally ruining Christmas for everyone.

In the original script for Ice Age (2002), Scrat wasn’t going to be in the movie at all but instead the movie was going to start on a downer beginning focusing on Manny and his woolly mammoth wife and calf who both had names and a voice actress and voice actor as a woman and child at the time happily migrating south together, talking about the good times they will have while there, when suddenly a tribe of humans (Different from Roshan, Runar, Nadia and their tribe.) ambushed and chased the woolly mammoth family and Manny tried to draw his mate and calf away from the humans and have them hunt him instead sacrificing himself to save them but to no avail, and the humans slaughter his mate and child and Manny does nothing but watch in horror and shout, “Noooo!” as this happens before he reawakens in the morning revealing that it was a nightmare experienced by him while sleeping at night, but it was all real and a painful flashback of what had happened three days prior, and Manny sighs sadly and then proceeds to unlike the other animals who were heading south, walked the other way north to freeze to death seeing no other point in living after losing his family as suicide, and then the title card happens and the main plot of the movie begins after we cut to Sid.

Four reasons why the scene was cut:

1. Many writers thought that the scene would have been too scary and heartbreaking for younger audiences despite the deaths of Manny’s mate and child happening entirely offscreen just as Nadia and Soto’s deaths would later on.

2. They also thought that it wasn’t original or engaging enough, in that it would make it so the snow and ice sequences would appear in the movie until its first twenty minutes, and many fans had paid to see a movie about snow and ice, so they replaced it with the scene with Scrat trying to bury his acorn in the glacier in a more comedic scene to introduce the snow and ice to the movie. Scrat was originally only going to appear at the very beginning of the movie, but test audiences loved the character so much that they added him as a comedic plot-irrelevant character for the rest of the movie and in the sequels despite him causing the conflicts for the second, fifth and fourth movies accidentally.

3. The writers also thought that it introduced the reason for Manny’s flawed character before he undergoes his character arc too early into the movie, and they decided instead to make Manny a “What is wrong with his guy?” character in terms of making him a grouchy and cynical loner who rejects friendship from Sid and Diego and only agrees to help Roshan out of obligation, before we finally find out the motive for his flawed character when we see the safety first cave painting flashbacks for how he lost his mate and child which would have been more too depressing to show in actual computer animation in that it also would have allowed Diego and Sid to find it out themselves and have Sid see Manny in a different light and see Manny’s flawed character caused by grief, not selfishness, and for Manny to undergo his character development in terms of finally opening up to Roshan getting over his hatred towards humans costing him his family and deciding to go the rest of the way to reunite Roshan with Runar as Nadia asked of him and Sid to do before she died, and accepting friendship from Diego and Sid and apologized for mistreating them at first finally finding the isolation and suicide not as the solution to his grief and depression over his losses but rather accepting new friends into his life. It also caused Diego to realize that Soto’s obsession with having revenge on Runar for hunting the other members of his Pack by costing him his wife Nadia and son Roshan was not worth it anymore, as the humans had a Freudian excuse for doing so for having to hunt the skins and flesh from the Ice Age mammals for the meat and clothes needed to survive the winter, and if Manny could get over his losses, Soto can too, and this combined with the kindness he got from Manny for risking his life to save his caused Diego to renounce his villainy and reform and after failing to reason with Soto and the rest of his pack, he kills Soto and cuts ties with the rest of his pack nearly sacrificing himself to do so and afterwards Roshan is reunited with Runar by Manny and Sid and Diego joins Manny and Sid as his new friends.

4. The scene would have alongside the other original scenes for the first movie like Diego dying for real, and Nadia dying onscreen made the movie too depressing for audiences so they removed and changed it and had Diego survive after being wounded by Soto and rejoin Manny and Sid after they return Roshan to Runar to soften the movie’s bittersweet ending over Manny and Sid having to part ways with Roshan for good and Manny’s family and Roshan’s mother Nadia still being dead and Sid being unable to reconnect with his own, (As we saw in the fourth movie.) in terms of Diego still being by Manny and Sid’s sides. As well as for having Nadia die offscreen.

Although the scene was cut, it was later revised by Pixar for the downer beginnings for Finding Nemo (2003) and Up (2009) in terms of the main protagonist, Marlin and Carl Fredrickson losing their wives, Coral and Ellie and all of Marlin and Coral’s unborn children expect Nemo, (Marlin lost his family minus Nemo to a barracuda and Ellie died of her old age or a sickness before Carl could take her to Paradise Falls.) whicj would cause their flawed characters like Marlin’s overprotectiveness towards Nemo out of fear of losing him like how he lost his wife and other kids and dislike of his friends and family committing reckless choices like Coral did that caused the death of her and the other eggs and Carl’s grief and depression over never getting Ellie to paradise falls like he promised that Dory and Russel and Dug would help them resolve as the story progressed.

Speaking of, Ice Age (2002) also feels like a Pixar movie in that it has similarities to both Monsters’ Inc. (2001) and Finding Nemo (2003) but also so to the DreamWorks Animation movie, Shrek (2001).

GOAT really deserved a sequel but I think it should focus on Team Thorns playing a different type of sport other than roarball like soccer as pawball or complete in the Olympics. I also think Will and Jett should get love interests, it should introduce new animal species as protagonists like foxes, wolves, macaws, lemurs and beluga whales and introduce a new villain.

I also think that Hannah, Daniel and Daryl should get bigger roles and play roarball or pawball for the first time.

One thing that puzzled me about GOAT, is that when Will Harris moved in with Hannah and Daryl at their apartment since he was evicted from his garage home by the pirarie dog family, how were those three teens able to live in the same apartment at once? It has only one bed, one bathroom and one kitchen. It also has one girl and two boys.

While we see Will sleeping on the couch for the time being until he gets his own bed, do Daryl and Hannah both sleep in the same bed? How can a male and female with a non-romantic relationship sleep together in the same bed? Do Will, Hannah and Daryl have to take turns using the bathroom to shower and change clothes?

If GOAT 2 is ever released it might confirm that Will likely lives his own house or apartment now while Hannah and Daryl live in separate homes.

I always find the Tom and Jerry Cartoon, “Heavenly Puss” and the Bad Kitty book, “Bad Kitty Goes to the Vet” to have very similar plot lines:

Both the cartoon and the book bave plots that focus on the cat protagonist, (Tom Cat, Bad Kitty) having a dream within a dream/nightmare of them dying and ascending to heaven, (Kitty while under her sedative for her surgery at the vet dreaming that she died in it and Tom dreaming that he got hit by a piano while chasing Jerry that killed him for both the Heavenly Express and Pussycat Paradise, heaven for cats and hell for dogs.) but they are denied entry by the gatekeeper (The cat conductor and cat Angel) for the cruelty that they committed towards Poor Puppy and Jerry Mouse in their lifetimes beforehand, and are given one last chance to redeem themselves for it by returning to the land of the living and making amends before noon the next day, (Tom having to sign a peace treaty with Jerry and Kitty having to perform a true act of kindness to Puppy.) and if they succeed, they will go to heaven, (The heavenly express, Pussycat Paradise.) but if they fail, they will be sent to hell, (Hell with Devil Dog and PuppyDog Paradise, hell for cats and heaven for dogs.)

But the main difference is that in “Heavenly Puss” Tom after several failed attempts to get Jerry to sign the peace treaty finally does so but fails to make it back to the Heavenly Express when his time runs out and instead falls into hell to be cooked and eaten alive by Devil Dog until he wakes up revealing that all he experienced was just a nightmare and it scares him into agreeing never to torture Jerry again, as he warmly runs to him and gives him a hug and kiss to his discomfort.

But in “Bad Kitty Goes to the Vet” Kitty after three failed attempts at doing nice acts to Puppy done in a forced way in reality, (Giving him flowers, an all you can eat buffet and comfort on a sofa and a shower of all that he loves) that just freaks him out instead, just as her time was slowly running out, eventually accepts her fate and pats Puppy on the head to comfort him by the heart in her final moments allowing her to successfully commit an act of kindness towards the dog, which leads to the cat Angel congratulating her and finally accepting her into “PussyCat Paradise” and while Kitty wanted to do at first, Puppy wanted to come along with her, and Kitty was about to say yes until the cat Angel reveals to Kitty that she already died and can’t get another shot at life and must go to heaven whether she likes it or not and leave all her still living friends and family behind in the real world and never see them again, causing Kitty to be struck with his speechless Didn’t Think This Through! realization over through all her stress she endured in trying to commit acts of kindness to Puppy to avoid heaven she never took the fact that she would have to leave the living world and everything she loved behind in it if she did succeed in acting kind to Puppy even when she had second thoughts about it.

But then Kitty wakes up from her dream and sedative back in the real world, where her owner (Who never reveals his face much like mammy two-shoes in the Tom and Jerry Hanna Barbara cartoons.) tells her about her surgery, rotten tooth extraction and Puppy shows up happy that Kitty was alright and Kitty is given lunch as cat food and a cream pie by her owner for doing a good job at the vet, but only on the condition that she shares the pie with Puppy, (Presumably the repayment the owner promised Puppy for getting him tackled by Kitty to get her into her cat carrier at the start of the book.) which caused Kitty to remember her dream and to ensure that what she experienced was all just a dream patted Puppy on the head to comfort him like she did in her dream and looked around to see if the cat Angel will show up and try to bring her to PussyCat Paradise again, but he never does, thus proving that what Kitty experienced was just a dream and she throws the cream pie at Puppy, (As payback towards the dog for the nightmare he gave her or knowing this means she has the right to torment Puppy without being punished for it posthumously again)’s face but still lets him eat the whole pie and happily eats her cat food, ending the book.

Nick Bruel, the author and illustrator for the Bad Kitty book series, mentioned in the epilogue to “Bad Kitty Drawn to Trouble” that he inspired the book off the Looney Tunes cartoons, “Duck Amara” and “Bugs Bunny” in terms of the characters interacting with an unseen creator who toys with them, and he likewise did the same for “Bad Kitty Goes to the Vet” by inspiring it off of the Tom and Jerry cartoon, “Heavenly Puss”

Buster Moon mostly defined this troupe in the sequel, although we are supposed to be sympathizing with him and rooting for him over wanting to have him and his crew perform in Redshore City and make it to the big leagues after staring off as a local theater and enduring the difficulties on the way, he intentionally or not still repeated his past mistakes from the first movie (Aesop Amnesia) of being implusive, making promises he can’t keep and going to extremes to ensure that he and his friends get what they want that would put him in an early grave which caused bigger consequences as if he learned nothing in that movie since when Suki Lane declines his offer to have him and his crew perform “Alice in WonderLand” in Crystal Tower Theater, simply because they are not good enough, (She in reality wanted to protect him from her boss, but did act snobbish and not emotionally honest with him when he said it but with a good Freudian excuse, as The Jerkass Has A Pount.) he makes a big deal out of it, even after he chased Suki in a taxi cab on his bicycle and caused him to crash into a pond and nearly drown before a whale saves him, and while he does reluctantly accept Suki’s decline at first, Nana Goodleman soon convinced him to perform there anyway behind Suki’s back and he and his crew travel to Redshore and audition for Jimmy and after he rejects their “Alice in WonderLand” pitch he greenlights Gunter’s idea for “Out of This World”, Buster lies about being able to recurit Clay Calloway into the show, to the dismay of Ash and Suki and since then, during the preparations and rehearsals for the show, Buster treats his friends new and old excluding Nooshy, Ash and Gunter like dirt in terms of giving Johnny a choreographer, Klaus KickenBlober to train him for his dance battle on the “Planet of War” who turned out to be a nasty and overly strict dance teacher to him and Buster never realizes Johnny’s discomfort and tried to troubleshot it by firing Klaus and choosing a different choreographer who is much nicer, until Johnny solves the issue on his own by recruiting Nooshy to dance coach him in Klaus’ place and she obliged, and assigning Meena to be paired with Darius in her Planet of Love duet, despite the duo having zero romantic chimestry with each other making things uncomfortable for the female elephant until Meena visualizes Darius as her actual crush, Alfsono and has Rosita take the lead role even when she has second thoughts about it after she gains a fear of heights and inability to do a bungee jump for her “Break Free” performance and declined Porsha’s offer to do the lead role for her for being more braver to do it, until Jimmy blackmailed him, not out of compassion for his daughter, but rather desire to have Porsha boost her family’s famous legacy and his by her performance, and when Porsha struggles with her acting, Buster never tried to help her out with her acting through lessons or words of advice since he had worked as a showman in musical plays for a long time and must know how to mentor the actors and actresses in his plays by now even when preparations for the play come to an end and Porsha’s acting still does not improve, and Buster then decides to give Rosita her role back and demote Porsha to a minor role (It id considered a firing, like Porsha said, since she was fired from the lead role, but not the show in general.) as if ungrateful towards the wolf in an innocently insensitive manner for the effort she tried to put into to aid with the play’s preparations, make him and her new friends happy, not force Rosita to do the lead role and endure her traumas in the “Break Free” performance despite the pig still having slight sadness over losing the role, and already discovered Jimmy’s true evil nature and should have been making a better effort to make the show perfect by helping Porsha out with her acting to improve even before recruiting Clay into the show or else if he screws up and fired Porsha, he will ruin everything for everyone when he goes berserk over it, also oblivious to the abuse Porsha got from her Dad that was the reason why she was also pressured by him into doing the role in the first place which Porsha rightfully breaks down (Despite making it more so about her and not her friends, or acknowledging Suki’s own igronant and insensitive mistakes, which both sides realize and apologize for at the end.) over and Buster tries to recurit Clay Calloway into the show to impress Jimmy even before his villainous nature was revealed, (Despite the discovery, Buster still choose to have him and his crew perform in Crystal Tower Theater instead of cutting their losses and auditioning for a different theater which would have prevented them from getting into trouble with Jimmy like they did in the third act.) despite the grief he was still reeling from over his wife Ruby’s death that left him unable to have the guts to perform as the rock star he is again, (Grief over losing a spouse is relatable to people in real life, as was Porsha’s flaws caused by her psychological abuse from her Dad.) that Ash was more emotionally aware of since she endured something similar after being cheated on by her boyfriend Lance in the first movie, (Love Hurts) and she does eventually manage to give Clay therapy to recover from his grief to move on with his life and be the rock star he is again and perform in Out of This World as planned. Thus making Buster an unwitting instigator of doom thanks to his implusive actions, as well as Suki for not being honest to Buster about Jimmy’s true villainy.

Buster does eventually face the consequences for his implusive actions when Jimmy goes berserk over him firing Porsha from the lead role despite still recruiting Clay into the show to the point where he tried to murder Buster by dropping off the roof of a skyscraper as revenge for not delivering the show he wanted the koala to give him, (Jimmy has damage control to dispose of Buster’s corpse, and he murdered theater managers who didn’t give him the perfect shows he wanted before, but cleared up their corpses to erase all evidence of his murders of them and made excuses of how they died to avoid arrest from the police.) then take it over and lie to the protagonists about Buster’s death and make the show then go the way he wants it, with Porsha as the lead role and would have gotten away with it if it had not been for Jerry calling Jimmy to a talk show with Linda Le Bon (Nice Job, Fixing It Villain!) and Jimmy locks Buster in a closet to finish the job when he gets back allowing Suki to drop her snobbish attitudes, apologizing for it and confirming her true protective nature by freeing Buster and instructing him and his friends to cancel their show and flee Redshore City and never return to escape Jimmy and his wrath and promised she will catch up with Porsha sneaking out of the city when Jimmy is asleep the following night, (That never happened, since Buster and co. Recruited Porsha back into the show before Suki could plan her escape with the young wolf and once she finds out this and the fact that Buster and his crew had decided to perform the show behind Jimmy’s back she accompanied him and his goons do the theater when they planned to shut the show down and redo it their way so she could save Buster and his friends plus Porsha from more trouble and tattletale Jimmy’s crimes to the police to get him arrested for them, but learns that Buster and his crew had it all under control after all, but still plays her part by stopping Jimmy’s third attempt at murdering Buster and having the cops come in and arrest him once the show was done after giving Buster and his friends the route to slip away while Jimmy was preoccupied with addressing the audiences.) and traumatized by his near-death experience, and regretting choosing to take the risk to get him and his friends into the big leagues, frantically obeys at first, but after Clay encouraged Buster not to run away and hide from his fears like he did after his wife Ruby died and Jimmy insults Buster and his friends on TV, the koala decided to put the show on behind Jimmy’s back anyway, just for one night and flee the next day, but he does so without even realizing his past wrongdoings I described above, bringing them up and apologizing and making amends for them, (Unlike Suki and Porsha both do so with their own.) unlike how he does admit his past mistakes to his friends in the first movie after his theater gets destroyed in the flooding like lying about the prize money for the singing competition and apologizes for them, since Buster still makes Rosita do the lead role as the astronaut despite the pig still having her fear and trauma of heights and have Porsha do the role as the alien (Buster must have understood how serious trauma was to the point where he understands Rosita and Porsha’s fears and ambitions better and letting Porsha take the lead role and Rosita take the minor role and do a switch for the next showing.) wearing Rosita’s alien costume although it was too small for her and she has to modify the suit and cut holes in the leggings for her legs to fit through and wore matching leggings underneath and wearing the suit most have been really tight for her the whole time, her butt even cracked through the costume, somewhat sexy and humiliating and gave Porsha very little time to rehearse for her new performance, giving Buster the show he wanted to do after all, although all worked out well at the end, and Porsha enjoyed her new role so much better than the lead role, and got praise for both it, her song and her sexy and gorgeous look in costume, even gaining the courage to stand up to and disown Jimmy during her performance while Rosita still happily did the lead role anyway, as her obligation and loyalty to her friends was stronger than her fears because she quickly forgets her fear of heights in favor of resting Buster from falling to his death after being dropped by Jimmy, and does her performance perfectly, while all the other performances do great at the end, like Johnny’s, Meena’s, and Ash and Clay’s and Jimmy is arrested and brought to Justice for his crimes at the end and the outcome leads to The Moon Theater Family getting five new members, Porsha, Suki, Nooshy, Darius, (Unofficially) and Clay and tour “Out of This World” by performing it in theaters around the globe starting with Majestic Palace.

As a redeeming quality, Buster’s wrongdoings he committed in the sequel will NEVER excuse the villainy performed by Jimmy in the film and his abuse towards Porsha and his employees that he is rightfully punished for at the end, by being arrested and costing him everything, and while they don’t somewhat excuse Suki’s lack of good morality communication towards Buster and care and safety towards him and his other friends, especially Porsha and the latter’s actions were not completely wrong and are more excusable and unintentionally sympathetic over the psychological abuse she recieved from her Dad and her naivety due to her age, although Suki does eventually learn her lesson and make amends for it at the end by arresting Jimmy and giving Buster and his crew the opportunity to perform “Out of This World” again at Majestic Palace Theater.

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Coco (2017), Zootopia 2 (2025) and Frozen II (2019), all deliver excellent examples of villains who actually commit serious crimes and get away with them even after death, before finally getting exposed and punished for them, undoing their evil actions in the present, and this is realistic to how there are some people who actually commit serious crimes like those and get away with them even after death even in real life.

In Coco (2017), Ernesto De La Cruz agrees to become the business partner to Hector to publish his songs, after the latter starts off his career as a musician but he soon decides to take advantage of the promised fame and fortune made off the songs to soon trick Hector into drinking a beer cup with Posion in it which poisons and kills Hector, and Ernesto burns his corspe and lies about his death to the public and then takes all the credit as writer and publisher for Hector’s songs for himself and gets rich and famous off it and gets away with his crime even after death and Imelda, Hector’s wife Imelda unaware of how Hector actually died assumed that he abandoned his family in favor of his music career despite agreeing to come back once he finishes writing and publishing his songs, became disillusioned with music and banned it to protect the Rivera family, seeing it as a curse that makes people selfish and careless and had everyone in the family forget about Hector unlike how Coco knew the truth but was unable to confess it, and this continued for years, until Miguel manages to figure out Ernesto’s scheme after mistaking him as his great great grandfather in the Land of the Dead and allows Imelda and Hector to reunite and reconcile, and Ernesto is exposed as a fraud in both the Land of the Living and Land of the Dead and the Rivera family unbans music and Hector becomes honored as a celebrity and humble man plus true inventor for Ernesto’s songs and Ernesto is Forgetten and soon imprisoned in prison in the Land of the Dead before eventually fading away.

Frozen II (2019): King Runeard caused a serious crime of dividing the two tribes of the Enchanted Forest like the building of the dam also disrupting the forest and its animals and creatures which Elsa, Anna, Kristoff and Olaf worked hard to undo Runeard’s curse and restore peace to the forest and unite its two tribes and Elsa in the process learns that she is its fifth spirit.

Zootopia 2 (2025): Agnes De’Snake was soon revealed to be the true inventor of the weather walls and founder of the city of Zootopia, which started off as desert with a single town populated by all animal species, reptiles, mammals and birds, so the city would have different biomes for animals of all different species and unite the different animal species of the city in harmony in a utopia, but when Agnes shared her idea with Ebenezer Lynxley to make him her business partner and publisher for her ideas, but Ebenezer soon decided to take advantage of this to steal all the credit for the invention of the weather wall and city’s founding for himself by stealing the weather wall book and pendant for himself giving Agnes no involvement in it and when the tortoise maid for Ebenezer finds this out and tried to escape with the original pendant to the police he preserves his secret by murdering the tortoise maid with a venom injector and framing it on Agnes and making himself be a hero by outcasting Agnes and her family and snakes in general from the city of Zootopia and no reptiles expect for hidden populations were welcome in the city and their home, Reptile Ravine was buried in snow and birds were framed and outcast from the city too by Ebenezer for some reason, (Zootopia 3 might reveal this in proper detail since the post-credits scene showed a theory that birds are now returning to the city now that the Lynxleys are arrested, which PawBert tried to warn Nick, Judy, Gary and Nibbles of during his arrest, but they didn’t listen.) leaving Zootopia as a mammal only city with Ebenezer credited for being the city’s true founder and invention of the weather wall for a hundred years and his descendants were famed for it as well until the events of Zootopia 2, where Gary De’ Snake Agnes’ great-grandson visits the city to steal the weather wall book and find the location of Reptile Ravine and Agnes’ original pendant to expose the Lynxleys, clear Agnes’ name and allow reptiles to return to the city until Milton Lynxley expands TundraTown through Marsh Market driving out its remaining reptiles and marine mammals, with aid from Zootopia’s dysfunctional but well-meaning heroes, Nick Wilde and Judy Hopps who recently saved the city from Dawn Bellwether and the beaver Reptile conspiracy theorist Nibbles the Beaver and PawBert Lynxley, the great-grandson of Ebenezer Lynxley who pretends to be good at first before being revealed to be evil like the rest of his family.

The first two twist villains ever made by Disney in my point of view are Stromboli in Pinnochio and Mr. Winky in The Adventures of Ichabob and Mr. Toad?

But which one of these characters is considered a real twist villain, Stromboli or Mr. Winky? I say Mr. Winky because he was an antagonist more crucial to the plot of “Mr. Toad” since he took advantage of the titular character’s flaws to win Toad Hall and all its money, in exchange for the motorcar other than the police being the hero antagonists, and he manipulated Toad in a way that made his villainy unlikely to the audiences at first before it was confirmed after Toad’s trial and he is proclaimed guilty of stealing the motorcar when he fails to convince them that Winky tricked him.

Stromboli on the other hand was more obvious as a villain and more of a plot-irrelevant villain and one-time antagonist much like King Louie in The Jungle Book despite being the latter more anti-heroic than evil since Honest John and Gideon the Cat and the Coachman and Monstero drive the plot of Pinnochio more and the titular character’s character development and his villainy was obvious from the start in terms of how he throws a minor tantrum over Pinnochio flunking at his performance at first and later someone paying him a metal coin instead of a gold one for the show and finally exposed his villainy after he traps Pinnochio in a bird cage and forces him to tour the world and perform in his puppet shows for him threatening to cut him into firewood if he refuses.

While Mr. Winky does get punished for his crimes at the end, Stromboli gets off Scot-free because he never appears again after Pinnochio escapes him with Jiminy and the Blue Fairy’s help, but he most likely got a form of laser-guided karma alongside Honest John, Gideon the Cat and The Coachman when Pinnochio after becoming a real human boy at the end, tattletales their crimes to the police and they get arrested for them. (In the 2022 live-action remake of Pinnochio, Stromboli was confirmed to have been arrested.)

King Louie likewise got punished alongside the Bander-Log for kidnapping Mowgli and trying to force him to tell Louie how to make fire despite the human boy having no clue how to do so for not being raised by humans despite still being nice to them in their time together in the “I wanna be like you” song, when their palace gets demolished into rubble when Baloo and Bagheera make their escape with Mowgli, but the orangutan and his monkeys must have eventually made amends with Baloo and Bagheera for what happened, after Mowgli was delivered to the Man-Village due to what happened in “More Jungle Book, the Further Adventures of Baloo and Mowgli” despite the book being non-canon.

Either way, Mr. Winky and Stromboli are both great twist villains and so far Disney’s best first attempts at ones, and the twist villains they did in the future like Clayton in Tarzan, The villain for Atlantis: The Lost Empire, King Candy/Turbo in Wreck-It-Ralph and Yokai in Big Hero 6 and King Runeard in Frozen II were also done great, but depending on your point of view, Prince Hans in Frozen, Dawn Bellwether in Zootopia, Namaari in Raya and the Last Dragon, (For her half-baked redemption, not twist.) and PawBert Lynxley in Zootopia 2 were done a whole lot poorer, and despite Hans’ twist being covered by the tie in book, “A Frozen Heart”, Bellwether’s still felt unnecessary as Chief Bogo naturally could have been the big bad in her place as long as he revealed his villain motive and goals, connecting to his past anti-heroic behavior and Milton, Cattrick and Kitty themselves could have been the antagonists for the third act of Zootopia 2.

Unwitting Instigator of Doom (Zootopia 2):

The movie tackled the troupe five times:

Number One:

First off Antony Snootley through his smuggling that Nick and Judy worked really hard to stop despite having to unwillingly cause property damage to do so was also the primarily reason why Nick and Judy got themselves in trouble with Chief Bogo and strained their relationships with the rest of the ZPD minus Clawhauser and Paul for looking like bad cops, outlaws and partners in their eyes despite the strong effort they put into being ones eventually setting off the chain of events that lead to the ZPD fully believing Milton when he and Cattrick framed them on fanging Bogo and therefore hunt them down as “dangerous criminals”

Also Antony later in prison, tattletales to the cops Nick and Nibbles’ escape out of a personal grudge eventually leading to all the criminals himself included being freed from prison that Nick and Judy worked hard to re-capture after the sequel’s events while it remained unknown if Antony snuck away himself.

Clawhauser also does so briefly by tattletaling to Chief Bogo Nick and Judy’s decision to go undercover to arrest Antony on their own rather than keep it a suprise and let Nick and Judy do their thing to arrest the anteater and lie to Bogo that Nick and Judy took a pass on the police mission to catch Antony for parking duty or police patrol since it just involved studying the actions of the veteran cops much more boring than the parking duty or the police patrol duties itself until Nick and Judy after handcuffing and detaining Antony by suprise (Nick does the handcuffing and Judy does the evidence collecting.) and collecting the evidence would then call in Bogo and the cops for backup for arresting the anteater without causing any property damage since Nick and Judy easily would have arrested Antony if it were not for Bogo unknowingly blowing their cover with his radio call the latter of which set off the chain of events that started the movie’s main plot and conflict. Though Clawhauser does redeem himself for contributing to it unlike Chief Bogo by helping Nick and Nibbles track down PawBert, Gary and Judy’s location on HogBottom’s cell phone and saving Judy from taking the bullet to stop a Posion dart due to her unhealthy bunny hero complex.

Number Two:

Chief Bogo himself mostly builds around this troupe in the first act because his habits of being the grouchy by-the-book cop he is with skepticism towards cowboy cops combined with his annoyance over Nick and Judy disobeying his direct order to stand down to arrest Antony that caused all that property damage without even sharing the blame for it (Never My Fault) since he was the one who unintentionally blew their cover which started the whole chase and so on combined with his anger over their current dysfunctions like Judy’s unhealthy bunny hero complex caused by her guilt over her past wrongdoings as a cop that almost allowed Bellwether to win and Nick still not making an effort to grow out of his traumatic childhood lead to him taking them off the field as cops to work on their dysfunctions through therapy without listening to Judy when she tried to inform him about Gary’s presence and refusing to have the police investigate him further that would eventually lead to the Lynxley Conspiracy being discovered that would benefit the city and its reptiles assuming that the bunny was saying it as an excuse to get him off her and Nick’s backs which sets off the chain of events that leads to Nick and Judy going behind Bogo’s back at the Zootennial Gala to investigate Gary, and Bogo getting fanged by Gary by arriving in the right time and position unwillingly to get fanged by Gary in the head and lose his right fang and Milton and Cattrick both take advantage of this to frame Nick and Judy on fanging Bogo and betraying the police to join forces with Gary as a disportunate retribution for how they mistreated them, making them fuguitives and setting off the movie’s main plot and Milton after blackmailing Mayor Winddancer into taking over the ZPD to send them after Nick and Judy, Bogo was lucky to have easily earned Nick and Judy’s forgiveness for his mistake that almost caused the Lynxleys’ near-villain victory despite never apologizing for it or else he would have been punished for it in terms of Winddancer firing him from the police force or giving him an early retirement and making Officer Pennington the new police commissioner of the ZPD for having a more positive attitude and actually listens to Nick and Judy regardless of their differences.

Number Three:

Captain HogBottom, Truffler, the Zebros, Higgins, Bloats and Officers Chevre and Bucheron as well as Mayor Winddancer largely define this troupe in the sequel since they acted gullible to the lies of the Lynxley family about the De’ Snake family being evil and the Lynxleys being heroic and Nick and Judy choosing to become dangerous criminals themselves in terms of betraying the ZPD to join the De’ Snake family due to them “fanging” Bogo despite the good favor that they have done for the city in the past but as cowboy cops due to their egos, stupidity, ruthlessness and guilty until proven innocent mottos to the point where they willingly join forces with the Lynxley family (Minus PawBert who had plans of his own.) to hunt down and arrest Nick, Judy, Gary and Nibbles and burn the weather wall journal due to their lies that they were heroic and those they were chasing were the enemy who should be elimated at all costs causing these characters to become the obliviously evil comrades and unwilling pawns to Milton Lynxley as his personal army to hunt down and arrest Nick, Judy, Gary and Nibbles and stop them from solving the Lynxley Conspiracy despite the actions demonstrated by these characters that obviously prove wrong the lies of Milton nearly getting these characters killed, injured and unknowingly ensuring a near-villain victory for both PawBert and Milton in the process, its only after Milton orders Captain HogBottom to poison dart and kill Judy, Gary and PawBert (Whom he assumed betrayed his family and joined the heroes until he arrived to convince him otherwise.) which a cop shouldn’t do in reality, coming to their senses regarding their police brutality after witnessing Gary saving Judy from the snake venom PawBert injected into her with the Anti-venom and her barely saving Nick from falling to his death with Gary’s help, Gazelle beating up the Zebros with aid from her tigers and PawBert accidentally exposing the truth regarding his and his family’s villainy to Mayor Winddancer, that the horse Mayor and these cops have their heel realizations and set things right in regards to betraying the Lynxleys and having them defeated and arrested after Nick and Judy collect the raw evidence that proved their innocence and the crimes of the Lynxley family and afterwards reconcile with Nick, Judy, Gary and Nibbles and take accountability for their wrongdoings in terms of Winddancer leaving office as mayor or rather being fired by someone else and resuming his acting career with a new mayor being elected who is a true politician and Captain HogBottom, Truffler, Officers Chevre, Bucheron, Higgins and the Zebros taking two year court ordered therapy with Dr. Fuzzby and probation to avoid getting fired or arrested for their police brutality while Nick and Judy decide to accept the apologies of these characters for their wrongdoings and forgive them for it despite it being unearned and put their pasts behind them due to the movie’s moral of accepting others for who they are despite their differences.

Number Four:

The sea lion juggler from Marsh Market and the German accented white goat duo Berthold and Jurgen from the Cliffs of Copenhoofen also build around this troupe since the sea lion juggler gives away Nick and Judy’s location to Captain HogBottom and Truffler at the Reptile Hangout out of a personal grudge towards Nick for unwillingly harassing him out of a culture shock towards Marsh Market earlier on which lead to PawBert and Gary being unable to approach and ask for the weather wall book from Nick and Judy and for their help in solving the Lynxley Conspiracy in a normal way due to the arrival of the police soon leading to you know what, (If Nick had been around PawBert for a good long enough period of time he would have been able to figure out the lynx’s true villainy and give him therapy to resolve it when getting him to properly explain his problems that caused his villain motive not before confiscating his weapons like the venom injectors, to prevent a counterattack as Judy was never able to figure it out during her time with PawBert without Nick for being more naive and desperate and trusting towards the first person she sees as nice and aligned with her viewpoints unlike Bogo and Nick despite what happened with Bellwether in the first Zootopia movie.) much like Gary while Berthold and Jurgen while giving Nick and Judy good information about the HoneyMoon Lodge where Gary and PawBert were hiding out for the time being, they give them advice to take the short but also dangerous route to the lounge not warning them about the dangerous condition the building is in instead of informing them to take the long way to the Lodge on foot if they ran fast enough to evade the police which would have lead to them meeting PawBert and Gary a whole lot easier and the fox and bunny’s falling-out and separation and Nick’s arrest by the ZPD never would have happened, since it did happen by taking the rope climb short way to the lodge but more so over Nick complaining to Judy by choosing to do so.

Number Five:

Fru Fru also builds around this troupe because instead of alongside her father Mr. Big and Nick trying to give Judy the simpler solution to their problem of being fugitives but also having to help Gary out with the conspiracy he said he wanted to Solve that could benefit the city and snakes in general by going into hiding in Outback Island until Bogo recovers and confirms to HogBottom and the police that Nick and Judy are innocent and explain how his fanging really went with Mr. Big’s mafia ensuring that Milton never tried to Posion and kill Bogo in his sleep to silence him to preserve the truth behind Nick and Judy’s innocence and have Gary and PawBert come to them using the journal as bait and regroup and head back to the city to solve the conspiracy with the best precautions and in the meantime have Nick study PawBert long enough to figure out his true villainy, blackmail him into discussing his motive for it and giving him therapy to resolve it relating his problems to his own, confiscating his venom injectors beforehand and get PawBert to turn good and agree to betray his family for real, she unwillingly worsens Judy’s unhealthy bunny hero complex by approving of her Side of the agreement to take the risk to go and solve the case right away and risk getting herself and Nick arrested in order to do so by giving Judy the info card for Nibbles the Beaver due to not having the heart to say no to the bunny for saving her life before which set off the chain of events that would lead to the further conflict between Nick and Judy and the film itself happening.

Would you like to be talk about other unwitting instigator of doom moments in the Disney Animated Canon movies like Elsa and Anna’s parents, and Pabbie and Hans’ horse in the first Frozen movie, Gene and the NiceLanders and RoadBlasters characters in Wreck-It-Ralph, The Wildebeest in The Lion King, who caused the building explosion that killed Tadashi in Big Hero 6, Gideon Gray in the first Zootopia movie, train in “The Fox and the Hound” that indirectly caused Chief’s injury and so on?

Jerks are Worse Than Villains (Zootopia 2):

Note: This is not AI, it is my own writing to fill in what the Jerks Are Worse Than Villains page on TV Tropes missed for Zootopia 2 by seeing the Zebros and sea lion juggler as more unlikable than the Lynxley family despite the latter’s being the villains but not Chief Bogo, Captain HogBottom, Truffler, Higgins, Bloats and Officers Chevre and Bucheron themselves.

None of the villains in Zootopia 2 are unlikable, but they regardless of their evil actions like Ebenezer Lynxley, PawBert Lynxley, Cattrick Lynxley and Kitty Lynxley as well as Antony Snootley and Duke Weaselton and Dawn Bellwether despite the latter three’s small roles in the movie as plot-irrelevant villains get love and appreciation for their love to hate, laughably evil, devious and well-written roles in the film, and the Lynxleys being superior villains to Bellwether from the first Zootopia movie for being better written and having established motives despite ruining the lives of innocents to get what they want and Bellwether herself improving by becoming a tiny gremlin instead of a pathetic twist villain with Ebenezer Lynxley being a textbook example of a villain who actually commits a murder and a serious crime and gets away with it even after death and PawBert Lynxley being a twist villain done much better than Bellwether with a broken spirit and affably evil motives and Milton being a great corrupter of the ZPD and manipulator to Mayor Winddancer regardless of him being an abusive father to PawBert and the primary reason why he became a villain in the first place.

Chief Bogo, and Captain HogBottom and the rest of the ZPD minus Clawhauser especially Truffler, Officers Chevre and Bucheron, the Zebros and Higgins and Bloats get a lot more hate and dislike from the audiences due to what nasty, ruthless, petty, egocentric, disrespectful and unintentionally unsympathetic jerks and bullies they act towards Nick and Judy all out of spite for having a somewhat bad partnership that they could easily resolve on their own and out of jealousy over their high status as cops for solving a major Conspiracy done by Dawn Bellwether, in terms of the Zebros stealing all of Nick and Judy’s credit in arresting Antony and mock them when Bogo berates them, and Bogo himself thanks to his arrogance, fury-fueled foolishness and grouchiness that he is best known for having pins all the blame on Nick and Judy and berates for the property damage they caused while chasing Antony to arrest him disobeying his direct Order to stand down clearly missing the point that he was the one who started it all by ruining Nick and Judy’s arrest of Antony with his radio call and nobody got truly hurt or injured in the process which would have been a whole lot worse and even goes far as to disbelieve Judy’s discovery of Gary in terms of Snake skin despite how real it actually is, foolishly assuming the bunny was saying it as an excuse to get him off her back and never sends Nick or Judy and the police themselves to go out and investigate Gary further that would allow the Lynxley Conspiracy to be solved benefitting the city and its reptiles, and even goes far as to call Nick and Judy bad partners and gives them partners in crisis therapy for it, when it was just one mistake that they committed early into their careers and they had plenty of time to reflect and improve on themselves on their own, (Just because Nick and Judy have issues in their partnership and disobey his rules and unintentionally cause property damage doesn’t mean Bogo has any right to act harsh and naggy towards them for it out of spite, due to the emotional insecurities they have that make them that way that can be relatable and excusable to others.) in which they do during their adventure but the hard way and through emotional support from Gary and Nibbles, and though Nick does manage to prove to Bogo Gary’s existence at the Zootennial Gala and gets him to snap out of his mean boss personality to aid him and Judy in dealing with Gary, Bogo arrives a little too late and gets himself fanged by Gary, which allowed Cattrick and Milton to frame Nick and Judy and Vice versa. (Unwitting instigator of doom)

As for Captain HogBottom, Truffler, Higgins, Bloats and Chevre and Bucheron, and the ZPD in general, they also act as unwitting pawns to Milton Lynxley and Ebenezer Lynxley too, since they gullibly fall for their lies when they frame Agnes and later Nick, Judy and Gary and do nothing but antagonize them and picture them as dangerous criminals without ever once using their common sense and talking over with them what really happened and letting them prove their innocence and the cops remorselessly and ruthlessly commit police brutality as obliviously evil antagonists in terms of Higgins and Bloats causing property damage in Marsh Market, endangering lives somewhat like the Otterton couple, eating apples (Which they probably paid for) and Chevre and Bucheron breaking in half and nearly destroying a lodge and trying to intentionally kill Judy until PawBert saved her and beating Nick up to the point of almost wounding him and HogBottom rejects redemption from Nick when she had the chance forcing Nibbles and Nick to escape from prison the hard way that involved releasing all its criminals like Bellwether and Antony and HogBottom nearly fired a lethal dart on Judy (But she soon hesitated, until Higgins bumping into her made her fire it anyway.) until Nick, Nibbles and Flash arrive to deflect it back and Higgins, Bloats and Chevre and Bucheron almost ensure a near-villain victory by brawling with Gary, until Nick manages to fend off against PawBert while Gary does so with the cops long enough for Nick to deliver the anti-venom to Gary for him to save Judy and Nibbles, and then save Nick from falling beating unconscious the cops brawling them in the process.

At the end, after the Lynxleys are arrested, while Chief Bogo and Captain HogBottom and the other cops get their comeuppances for their bullying and mistreatment of Nick and Judy and the police brutality that they committed and slacking at their jobs as cops in general for their obliviousness when Bogo is fanged by Gary and put in a coma and hospitalized and almost humiliated on television until Higgins managed to stop it, and when the Zebros are beaten up by Gazelle and when they and the other cops are given court-ordered therapy and probation for their police brutality, they minus HogBottom and Mayor Winddancer never show any remorse over their actions or apologize to and make amends with Nick and Judy for their actions and admit that they were wrong onscreen, although they do still do so but largely offscreen since Nick and Judy at the end are given a medal ceremony for their heroics and no longer treated as rookie cops for going out and re-capturing the 200 criminals Nick and Nibbles freed from prison as their next assignment in addition to getting to keep their partnership and work on the field as cops again.

The sea lion juggler also falls into this category as a scrappy plot device and additional hate sink since he tattletales to HogBottom and Truffler Nick and Judy’s location out of a personal grudge towards Nick for accidentally harassing him because of a culture shock to Marsh Market setting off the chain of events that lead to Nick and Judy’s seperation and falling-out and a near-villain victory for PawBert (unwitting instigator of doom) and he never gets any sort of comeuppance for his mistake and instead gets off Scot-free, due to him happily celebrating at Gazelle’s concert. But as a redeeming quality, he does give Truffler some karma for the police brutality that he was committing alongside HogBottom by chasing him off.

All in all, the movie ends with the villains losing but the bullies getting away with everything despite getting some comeuppance for their actions and while Nick and Judy had a good Freudian excuse for their wrongdoings, The ZPD cops I just mentioned bave absolutely none, making their redemptions feel totally unrealistic and unjustified.

Here are Dramatically Missing the Point moments in the Disney Animated Canon’s most recent feature film, Zootopia 2: (Not this is not AI, these are theories for what I think happened in Zootopia 2.)

Dramatically Missing the Point (Zootopia 2): The movie uses this troupe four times:

In the case of Chief Bogo, his fury-fueled foolishness over Judy still committing her past mistakes of being naive and impulsive and disobeying orders from him and Nick not standing up to Judy as she does so even though he was on Bogo’s side of the agreement regarding Judy’s impulses, lead to him misunderstanding Nick and Judy’s flaws and child-like habits being caused by their partnership, when it was their mental flaws realistic and human (But not literally, more animal.) that was making them do so in reality, like Nick’s fear of hurting Judy’s feelings again, embracing his traumatic childhood and Judy’s overcommitment to police work to prove herself to be a better cop, after only screwing up in the first movie that almost allowed Dawn Bellwether to win and takes Nick and Judy off the field as cops and gives them mandatory therapy to resolve their flaws, with the threat of splitting them up if they refuse to take it or not pass it to blackmail them into agreeing to change their ways, when Nick and Judy needing space for self reflection and facing the consequences for their wrongdoings while in the field was the true solution to their problem, because they understand things in show me don’t tell, and his strictness and Dr. Fuzzby’s therapy wasn’t truly helping Nick and Judy resolve their flaws. The whole incident more easily could have been avoided if Bogo asked Gazelle, Clawhauser or Officer Pennington to talk to Nick and Judy about their flaws and convince them to resolve them on their own terms for him since they are the only ones that Nick and Judy listen to and follow advice from due to being more patient and friendly (Similar to Bagheera asking Baloo to try to talk to Mowgli about going to the Man-Village for him despite the boy’s hesitation in going there on his own more friendlier terms in The Jungle Book.) or gave Nick and Judy once last chance to prove that they could be good cops to try to find Gary and see what he is up against like Judy wanted to, which of course was going to work seeing that happened to be the whole plot of the movie after Bogo got fanged and hospitalized and he learned about after he recovered, despite it happening the hard way. Bogo also refused to share the blame for the property damage that was caused at the beginning in a “Never My Fault” moment and pins all the blame on Nick and Judy because of his arrogance.

Even if Bogo did get away with giving Nick the traumatic adulthood he threatened to give him when catching him at the gala in the form of a beating and split him and Judy up to push them into changing their ways, it all would have been for nothing as Nick and Judy would have instead tiraded Bogo and quit from the ZPD for good to work as independent detectives for not allowing them to work together or be themselves because they are too different from his other cops causing Bogo to lose two of his finest cops thanks to control freak attitudes, ill-temper and inability to act considerate towards Nick and Judy’s emotions. Bogo at least learns his lesson and gets his comeuppance for his behavior when he is hospitalized and fanged by Gary and once he recovers and learns from Nick and Judy that they resolved their flaws on their own in his absence, and he reconciles with Nick and Judy and allows them to keep their partnership and work as cops on the field again as he resumes his police chief duty now acting more considerate and patient towards their emotions and flaws, and showed zero grudge towards Nick for his far worse mistake than Judy’s in the first movie of accidentally freeing all those fifteen criminals including Bellwether out of prison, but primarily since he sent him and Judy out to go out and re-capture them all after they arrest and defeat the Lynxleys starting with Bellwether. Heck Word of God implied that after the sequel’s events, Chief Bogo took himself off the field as a police chief to do mandatory therapy with Dr. Fuzzby to help him work on his anger and temper for a while, making Officer Pennington the substitute police chief of the ZPD in the meantime or retiring early altogether to give Nick and Judy a nicer more patient boss who listens in the form of Pennington.

In the case of Ebenezer Lynxley, his whole motive in stealing the credit for the invention of the weather wall and founding of the city for himself and frame Agnes and outcast her and all reptiles from Zootopia was so that he could earn the promised fame, fortune and wealth and create his most ideal world for lynxes despite the fact that the whole reason why Agnes created the climate wall in the first place was because the city was as a United utopia for all animal species no matter what habitat or environment, and never did it for the fame and fortune but rather the unity and making the world a better place.

In the case of PawBert Lynxley, his whole motive in becoming evil like the rest of his family, was so that he could earn their love and recognition and not get abused by his father, Milton, knowing well and then that even if he and Gary and Judy were to defeat his evil family and have them arrested and incaranated, they would keep escaping and have him hunted down and murdered or abused further, unless he agrees to become one of them, even though he alongside Gary and Judy were obviously trying to save him from the abuse he recieved from his family by solving their conspiracy, and PawBert could have recommended having the ZPD lock his family in a maximum security prison to ensure that they would never escape or have them executed to end their threat for good, and would have been able to live his own free life with Nick, Judy, Gary and Nibbles as his true family.
PawBert as a Bond villain stupidity moment, never really thought his evil plans through, once Gary deciphers the journal, and learns the location of the pendant, and Reptile Ravine, PawBert never kills Gary and Judy right away by poisoning Judy, and then impaling Gary with a knife, and burying their corpses in the desert lying to the ZPD that Gary killed Judy and he tried to save her but failed and look like a hero in the eyes of his family and the ZPD (Though it would have been all for nothing as Nick and Nibbles would have hunted him down as revenge.) but instead waits until they get to the climate wall and Nick and Nibbles catch up with them to do so, which sets him up to get defeated and outsmarted by Nick and Gary.

PawBert also had his shot at betraying Gary, Nick, Judy and Nibbles and killing them all once they got to Reptile Ravine burning them all down alongside Agnes’ pendant and the town, but he never took it, he just betrayed Judy and Gary right away as soon as Nick and Nibbles caught up with them that contributed to his eventual easy defeat.

Also PawBert never intended to burn down Agnes’ house with lots of fire, just a single match stick and gasoline. Also PawBert never involved his family in his scheme until the very end. He also could have just called the cops and Cattrick and Kitty to come arrest and take away Gary and Judy once Gary deciphered the journal.

PawBert’s intentions can somewhat be justified over the fact that his father’s abuse broken him mentally and emotionally and rendered his common sense null and void, and therapy while in prison might help change it completely, and PawBert got all but what he wanted after all when his older siblings Cattrick and Kitty give him the love and care he deserves while in prison due to understanding him better and being revealed never to be evil by heart and cut ties with his father completely when drawing the line with his ruthlessness and ego.

When Nick constantly miscommunicated with Judy, thanks to his emotional insecurities, didn’t act honest to her about his true feelings, and tried to protest to her heroics by saying the wrong words, and didn’t really take the situation that they were in seriously, it caused Judy to assume that Nick was regressing back to his former selfish cynical self, and didn’t take her and her heroics seriously or treat them with support without trying to reason with him for his miscommunications and realize that she was constantly risking her life to solve the case due to her unhealthy bunny hero complex, try to sacrifice herself for when she didn’t! need to and still act impulsive and naive that would lead to her doom and not take Nick’s emotions, insecurities and the fact that he would become miserable if he were to lose her due to being in love with her into consideration, or take reasoning with Nick for this into
consideration.

So after she and Nick get seperated at the Honeymoon Lounge and Nick gets arrested and sent to prison, which pushes him into a Jerkass realization in terms of how he mistreated and miscommunicated with Judy up until then which partially lead to their separation, and no matter how hard he tries, can’t stop behaving like an anti-hero parallel to Judy’s ideal hero self and felt remorse over it and explains it to Nibbles before escaping to go find and rescue her and reconcile with her, Judy intially choose to help PawBert and Gary finish solving the case before going back to Nick, for being more on her moral viewpoint in solving the case, until Nick coming back for her, confirming how much he truly cares, stopping her from stupidly taking the bullet just to save PawBert and Gary using Flash’s car and being betrayed by PawBert, caused Judy to realize the error of her ways and also express remorse in a Jerkass realization for abandoning Nick just because he miscommunicated with her and for letting her unhealthy bunny hero complex get the best of her, without listening to Nick’s words of reason no matter how he said them, and not accept the fact that she and Nick are different and feared that she repeated her greatest failure from the first movie all over again until Gary reassured her otherwise, and after Nick nearly sacrifices his life to save her, before he is rescued by Judy and Gary, with Nick heartily apologizing to and reconciling with Judy by admitting his true feelings and love for her and that he does support her and her heroics and care about them, but didn’t have the courage to admit them, and should have been doing so better in the process, Judy apologizes to Nick herself for abandoning him, not being honest to him about her bullying from Gideon Gray that caused her own emotional insecurities and for her own unhealthy bunny hero complex, not listening to him and Vice versa and decides to let her and Nick’s differences unite them and not divide them and accepts the fact that the fate of the world doesn’t rest entirely in her paws, everyone has a role to play in heroism, herself, Nick, Gary, Nibbles, Gazelle, etc. and both Nick and Judy at last find inner peace.

The scene focuses on how Captain Gutt and his crew rescued Ellie, Louis, Crash, Eddie Peaches and the herds of animals from the closing in shifting mountain ledge, and how they destroyed the Land Bridge and Ellie and Peaches found out Gutt’s villainy from
Shira and try to revolve before Gutt starts holding them captive.

Summary:

It starts with Captain Gutt and his crew arriving at the continent before Manny, Sid, Diego and Granny due to their better seafaring skills and Gutt and Raz both destroy the Land Bridge by ramming and knocking down five of its main supporting pillars with the Sweet Revenge causing the whole bridge to collapse and leaving Peaches, Louis, Ellie, Crash and Eddie plus the herds of animals stranded on the continent with no way to escape the closing in shifting mountain until Gutt and the pirates come to their rescue with the Sweet Revenge posing as heroes tagging a iceberg barge behind them, by posing as friendly sailors and rescuing Ellie, Peaches, Louis, Crash and Eddie and letting them into the Sweet Revenge and other herds of animals and Brat Pack onto the iceberg barge, in the literal Nick of time. (Peaches also spares enough time to reconcile with Louis for the early incident with the Brat Pack.)

Gutt at first lies to Ellie and Peaches after they praise him for saving them that he and his crew are friendly sailors who have to help them and their herds survive the Continental drift and find a new home, and also crossed paths with Manny, Diego and Sid and tried to reunite them with them but lost them in a storm. But this left Ellie suspicious because she knew Manny half her life and that he would never lose to whatever the world throws at him, and that’s when Shira jumped in and revealed that Gutt and the pirates were the bad guys and they destroyed the land bridge and the moment she says this, Gutt and the pirates make their move and tie Ellie up to a rock and Peaches tried to save her but Gutt catches her and threatens her with a dagger, Shira tries to revolt, but Gutt beat her up and slammed her against the ship’s wall (Gutt would later met the same fate later on because of Peaches.) and Gupta and Squint try to catch Crash, Eddie and Louis as well, but they manage to get away, despite Peaches telling her uncles and best friend to flee, and save themselves, Louis promises that they will be back for her, and they do in the climax. Gutt then decides to leave Louis and the opossums, he and his pirates will get them and the other herds of animals after they slay Manny, his family, Diego and Sid, but letting them go turned out to be the wrong choice…

When Ellie and Peaches ask Gutt why he was doing this Gutt then tells the duo about the feud Manny started with him in the ocean and how he and Sid and Diego cost him his pirate ship, his bounty and the loyalty of his crew, and vows to have revenge on Manny for it by forcing him to watch Ellie, Peaches, Sid and Diego all die in front of them and recruit Louis, Crash, Eddie and the other herds of animals into their crew and kill them if they refuse, and it will only be a matter of time before Manny and Diego, Sid and Granny arrive, and tells Peaches to tell him everuthing he needs to know about her father in the meantime and the teen mammoth obliges out of fear.

It then cuts to Manny, Diego, Sid and Granny arriving at the continent on the other pirate ship, quiet before the final battle.

P.S. Ellie telling Shira to back off during the final battle while the Smilodon tries to free her was because she thought she was still on the pirates’ side but she convinced her otherwise, due to failing to see Shira try to revolt against Gutt but fail.

I wish we got more interactions between Ellie and Shira in Ice Age 5, but we never do, hopefully in Ice Age 6.

Reason One: Since they started feature filmmaking business in 1937 with “Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs”, Walt Disney Animation Studios was well known for making villains who were obvious and get go evil and commonly used them even for The Evil Queen in that movie, Cruella De Villi in “101 Dalmatians” in 1963, Shere Khan in “The Jungle Book” in 1967, Captain Hook in “Peter Pan” in 1953 as well as Urusla, Scar, Jafar and Gaston plus Clayton and Claude Frollo in the Disney Renaissance movies, “The Little Mermaid” in 1989, “Beauty and the Beast” in 1991, “Aladdin” 1992 and “The Lion King” in 1994 as well as “The Hunchback of Notre Dame” and “Tarzan” in 1996 and 1999 but since then many fans argued that these traditionally evil villains were stale and cliched, even after the Revival Era started off with these kinds of villains like Dr. Faciler in “The Princess and the Frog” and Mother Gothel in “Tangled” from 2009 to 2010 so these classic villains were phased out and replaced with twist villains from 2012 to 2016 including King Candy/Turbo in “Wreck-It-Ralph”, Prince Hans in “Frozen”, Yokai in “Big Hero 6” and Dawn Bellwether in “Zootopia” with only two out of four of these twist villains actually working to give audiences a new taste of antagonists and more use on internal conflicts before taking a break from villains altogether for a long time in favor of internal conflicts from “Moana” in 2016 to “Strange World” in 2022 not counting Te Ka from “Moana” and Namarri from “Raya and the Last Dragon” before Disney returned to villains with King Magnifico in “Wish” in 2023, Nalo in “Moana 2” in 2024 and Milton Lynxley and PawBert Lynxley in “Zootopia 2” in 2025, (Not counting Ebenezer Lynxley, he was a posthumous overarching antagonist like King Runeard in “Frozen II”) and while Milton was in the classic obvious and get go evil villain category PawBert fell into the twist villain category, but used the troupe in a much better executed way than Dawn Bellwether but more so since the twist villain troupe was commonly used in the Disney Animated Canon as a result of the critical and commerical successes of “Frozen” and “Wreck-It-Ralph” although King Candy/Turbo was a so much better twist villain than Prince Hans himself.

Reason Two: Disney primarily did this to pass their works off as good writing and write the villains in their movies in new ways that modern audiences can closely connect with or relate to, judging on people observed in real life and since Disney since John Lassaster joined as a CEO wanted to copy Pixar’s methods for animated filmmaking in their movies for the Revival Era not by producing more computer-animated movies and retiring producing hand-drawn animated movies altogether in terms of using twist villains, non-musicals, internal conflicts, emotional depth and so on and for “Wreck-It-Ralph,” “Big Hero 6” “Zootopia” “Zootopia 2” and “Strange World” which all feel a lot more Pixar-like than Disney-like and a few of their fantasy films like “Moana” “Encanto”, “Moana 2” and “Frozen” and “Frozen II” they achieved all those concepts expect for the twist villain part all but.

Pixar in return would copy Disney’s techniques for making movies for two of their own films, “Coco” and “Turning Red” which both feel Disney-like a lot and less Pixar-like and maybe also “Elio” (It reminds me of Lilo and Stitch while “Zootopia 2” reminds me of a Pixar film and “Coco” and “Frozen” and “Wreck-It-Ralph”) but while still using the storytelling methods that they traditionally use in their movies and Disney somewhat did the same for their own movies like the ones I described above.

Reason Three: The troupe primarily exists to give good lessons to younger children about being careful about who you trust and befriend regardless if you are desperate or not because they may look nice and friendly on the outside but could have sinister or amoral colors on the inside which is more properly taught between Anna and Hans in “Frozen” and Judy and Gary towards PawBert in “Zootopia 2” with Elsa and Nick’s own amoral attitudes contributing to it before they learn to resolve them at the end.

Reason Four: The troupe like for Pixar animated movies somewhat also commonly exists to drag other anti-heroes and antagonists in Disney animated movies into half-baked redemptions and get audiences to sympathize with and root for those characters once the seemingly friendly character around the protagonist that is the twist villain is revealed and is revealed to be a much more eviler, amoral and nastier character than that other anti-hero/antagonist despite little or no buildup being created to that anti-hero or antagonist’s redemption arc whatsoever like King Candy/Turbo towards Gene the NiceLander in “Wreck-It-Ralph”, The Duke of Weselton towards Elsa in “Frozen”, Dawn Bellwether towards Chief Bogo in “Zootopia” and Simon towards King Magnifico somewhat in “Wish” and PawBert Lynxley worst of all towards Captain HogBottom, Truffler, Officers Chevre and Bucheron and Higgins and Bloats in “Zootopia 2”

It only worked better for the titular character and Sergeant Calhoun in “Wreck-It-Ralph,” Elsa in “Frozen,” Alistair Krei and Hiro Hamada in “Big Hero 6” and Mayor Lionheart in the first “Zootopia” movie and Mayor Winddancer in “Zootopia 2” as well as the Zebros (Despite Winddancer facing no legal consequences like Lionheart did) and Nick Wilde himself because their redemption arcs and anti-hero roles were executed and written so much better!

Plot-irrelevant Villain: (Zootopia franchise):

Zootopia (2016): The film has very few characters who actually antagonize our protagonists, Judy Hopps and Nick Wilde and the other residents of the titular city other than Gideon Gray, Travis and the Junior Ranger Scouts who bullied Judy and Nick in their childhoods, Duke Weaselton’s small role and Chief Bogo, Mr. Big and Mayor Lionheart’s roles of antagonism by their individual protagonist centred morality, (Well-intentioned extermist in Lionheart’s case, by-the-book cop in Bogo’s case and being a mafia boss in Mr. Big’s case.) as well as Manchas from his savageness and despite being the overarching main antagonist, and one behind the savage predator crisis to create a new society where prey dominate over predators and overthrow Lionheart as the city’s mayor, but she never reveals her villainy or feuds with Nick and Judy until the very end of the movie and never reveals the motive for her evil goals, all the movie’s conflict other than that just primarily comes from Judy trying to prove herself to be a good cop to Chief Bogo while solving the missing mammal cases, Nick trying to overcome his traumatic childhood to show the world that he can be in so much more than just the sly and shifty fox stereotype and Nick and Judy’s relationship in general which starts off as toxic at first due to their differences and Predator and prey biases caused by the scouts incident for Nick and Judy’s bullying from Gideon, but evolved into a healthy Friendship and relationship as the story progressed as the duo learn more about each other and they are not so different after all. So while not a complete plot-irrelevant villain, since she still drives the force of the plot but as a plot device and not real villain, Bellwether barely does anything to contribute to the film’s other conflicts nor does she feud with Nick and Judy until the very end, but most since her sheep henchmen do so for her.

No antagonist:

Zootopia+ (2022): There are no real villains or antagonists in the series other than Tru Tru’s antagonism towards Fru Fru and her friends in “The Real Rodents of Little Rodentia”, the police and citizens’ antagonism towards Duke Weaselton in “Duke the Musical”, the criminals’ antagonism towards Mr. Big and Koslov in the flashbacks in “Godfather of the Bride”, the tigers and Chief Bogo’s antagonism towards Gazelle and Clawhauser in “So You Think You Can Prance” and the customers, Gerald and Flash and Priscilla’s antagonism towards Sam in “Dinner Rush” but there are overall no villains or antagonists in the series, with its conflicts coming from other factors. “Hopp on Board” is the only episode with no antagonistic type characters since its conflict just comes from Bonnie and Stu trying to save her daughter Molly.

Zootopia 2 (2025): Downplayed, while the film does include main villains big bads, Milton Lynxley and PawBert Lynxley, the secondary villains, Cattrick and Kitty Lynxley and the Posthumous overarching Ebenezer Lynxley as well as the heavy, Mayor Winddancer, Captain HogBottom, Truffler, Zebros, Higgins, Bloats and Officers Chevre and Bucheron ruthless and somewhat egocentric but well-intentioned extermist or obliviously evil cops and the city’s current mayor manipulated by Milton and Cattrick into going after Nick, Judy, Gary and Nibbles when framing them on Bogo’s fanging as a murder attempt and tricking the cops into assuming that Nick, Judy and Gary were dangerous criminals who should be caught and arrested or worse killed at all costs and sending them after the protagonists as a direct result, until they quickly redeem themselves and make amends and take accountability for their wrongdoings as a direct result by taking two year court ordered therapy with Dr. Fuzzby as well as probation in the cops’ cases to avoid getting fired or losing their partners if they don’t pass it and Winddancer leaving office as mayor to resume his acting career or become a cop to be the hero he is in his movies having a new mayor elected in the meantime, the secondary villain, PawBert (Similar to Prince Hans in Frozen and Bellwether from the first Zootopia movie.) barely does anything to contribute to the events of the plot and its main conflict that is more prominently caused by Milton, Ebenezer, Winddancer and those cops, as well as the conflict between Nick and Judy regarding their emotional struggles and differences, or even actually reveal his own villainy and feud with the protagonists until the third act, and his goals were to manipulate Gary and Judy into helping him solve the Lynxley Conspiracy and pretending he turned good and betrayed his family for real so he can burn Agnes’ original pendant destroying all evidence of her being Zootopia’s true founder to earn the impression of his family and be accepted into them, in addition to manipulating Judy into turning against Nick because of their differences and force him to watch her death as revenge on both the fox and bunny for ruining Gary’s previous attempts at stealing the Weather wall journal that would lead to his plans happening a whole lot sooner, and would choose to betray Judy and Gary at the weather wall when Nick and Nibbles corner them knowing the truth over PawBert’s villainy after Nick witnessed what happened at the lodge, (PawBert saving Judy but leaving him to be arrested rather than going back to save him from prison and manipulating Gary and Judy to go along with it.) by injecting Judy, Nibbles and Nick with snake venom and leaving Gary out in the cold to be arrested by the still deluded cops to be framed on it and while he succeeds with Nibbles and Judy, Nick and Gary bravely manage to overpower and defeat them all temporarily and save Judy and Nibbles with the anti-venom nearly getting killed and injured while doing so and PawBert feuds with the heroes and remains evil until his defeat and arrest, but other than that plays no other role in the other conflicts happening in the movie.

The main reason for PawBert’s betrayal was to relive Nick of the anti-hero role that he played in the Zootopia movies up until then, and finally have him admit what a bad friend and bad communicator he was being to Judy no excuse said and realize how much damage his habit of trying not to relive his traumatic childhood caused to his life and he fears losing his friends more than his traumas and tearfully apologize to and reconcile with her for it as a direct result going such lengths to save her from PawBert and Gary from the deluded cops in the process, and get Judy to finally face the consequences for her unhealthy bunny hero complex and going such lengths to solve cases and conspiracies, and nearly sacrifice herself so needlessly many times due to her guilt over her past mistakes that almost allowed Dawn Bellwether to win and dislike of being called a dumb bunny due to her past bullying from Gideon and rebuffing Nick and his advice regarding her obsession with her heroics and tearfully apologize to and make amends with Nick for it as well as for choosing to leave him behind to be arrested over a miscommunication from him and not accepting that they are different, and as a karmic overkill for his own behavior, whicj she saw as uncaring, it wasn’t in reality, finally explaining to him get bullying from Gideon, accepting her and Nick’s differences and that it’s okay for her to be misjudged for being a dumb bunny every now and then and that the fate of the world was never meant to lie entirely in her paws, everyone has a part to play in it, in addition to also reliving Captain HogBottom, the cops and Mayor Winddancer of the antagonist role that they played in the movie up until then, despite mostly happening offscreen in HogBottom and the cops’ case and have them get their heel realizations over the revelation that Nick, Gary and Judy were innocent all along and the Lynxleys tricked them and the fact that they allowed the Lynxleys to take advantage of their ruthlessness and gullibility and guilty until proven innocent morality to manipulate them into becoming their personal army and committing police brutality and protocols cops shouldn’t commit and almost killed Nick and Judy and wrongly misjudged them for their emotional insecurities by letting their ruthlessness, egos and immaturity cloud their common sense so they reform and make amends by aiding Nick, Judy and Gary and Nibbles in arresting the Lynxleys and collecting the evidence needed to clear their names and bring the clan to Justice and apologize for their actions in terms of Winddancer abdicating his position as mayor and resuming his acting career like mentioned before and the cops who committed the police brutality leaving the field as cops to do two-year court ordered therapy in the place of Nick and Judy who are meanwhile allowed to work on the field as cops and re-arrest the 200 dangerous prisoners Nick and Nibbles had to free from prison to escape, and Winddancer most likely blackmailed Bogo into approving of this and turning over a new leaf and reconciling with Nick and Judy himself. Zootopia 3 will mostly likely focus more on the tensions between Nick, Judy and Winddancer, HogBottom and the other cops being resolved since earning the forgiveness of Nick, Judy, Gary and Nibbles for their mistakes won’t be easy for Winddancer if he remained mayor, HogBottom, Bogo and those other cops, since their Freudian excuse for their wrongdoings was no excuse, just as it also was for Nick, Judy and PawBert.

The film’s other antagonists like Dawn Bellwether, Chief Bogo in the first act and Antony Snootley and the 200 criminals who escaped from prison also barely do anything to anything to contribute to the plot whatsoever other than Bogo unwillingly setting Nick and Judy up to be framed at the beginning thanks to his Temper issues and overly misjudging Nick and Judy and just exist as one-note characters. Winddancer and Cattrick and Kitty also don’t contribute to much of the movie’s conflict alongside the rest of the heavy like Captain HogBottom and those deluded cops and PawBert himself, but just serve as the associates to Milton supervising everything that was happening from afar, that is until the climax where Cattrick and Kitty do brawl Gary and Nibbles with their father Milton until the reformed Winddancer comes to their rescue and beats up and defeats Cattrick, Kitty and Milton so they would get arrested while Nibbles and Gary rush to help Nick and Judy defeat PawBert sealing his fate as well.

Note: This page only talks about the theatrical Pixar and Disney Animated Canon sequels, the direct to video Disney sequels and prequels don’t count.

Pixar:

The first three Toy Story movies released in 1995, 1999 and 2010 are the best-reviewed and most universally acclaimed in the Toy Story franchise and while the fourth and fifth movies released in 2019 and 2026 do have their fans; they failed to Met the same critical acclaim as the first three movies.

The first Monsters’ Inc. movie will forever be the most acclaimed and most emotionally complex movie in the Monsters’ Inc. franchise and while the prequel Monsters’ University and spin-off Monsters at Work due have some superiority to the first movie and love from fans for the worldbuilding, character depth and expanded universe, they failed to Met the same universal acclaim as the first movie.

The first Finding Nemo movie will forever be the best in the Finding Nemo franchise for the emotional depth, high stakes and dark and mature tones and being relatable to both adults and kids, and while the sequel Finding Dory did have its fans for its worldbuilding and key focus on Dory, it didn’t met the same universal acclaim as the first movie mainly for being lighter and softer than the first one.

The first Incredibles movie is much better remembered than the 2018 sequel for its dark and mature tones, character and family dynamics and character depths, well-written non-twist villain and themes related to what some people struggle with in real life and breaking old trends for the past Pixar movies and being a human focused story while the 2018 sequel did get some love, many saw it as too lighter and softer and had lower stakes and a twist villain, and somewhat rehashing the plot of the first movie but in a way that a Pixar movie would traditionally do with human characters.

The first Up movie is always better remembered than the spin-off series focusing on Dug, Dug Days and the short films especially “Carl’s Date” despite the follow-ups getting some love from fans.

The first Inside Out movie is the best reviewed, emotional and most high staked and dark and engaging of the Inside Out franchise though the 2024 sequel, Inside Out 2 and Dream Productions did have their fans for the expanded universe and discuss of more serious themes.

Disney Animated Canon:

The first Wreck-It-Ralph movie is the best remembered and most acclaimed of the Wreck-It-Ralph franchise for being more Pixar like and less Disney like and for its creativity, themes and worldbuilding as well as its unforgettable characters and wonderful first take on a twist villain in the Disney Revival Era compared to all the future ones, and Ralph Breaks the Internet is deemed to be a controversial forgettable inferior sequel for flanderizing Ralph and Vanellope beyond belief, disregarding the lessons and themes taught and learned in the first movie and feeling more like a cash-grab movie than an actual Disney or Pixar movie.

The first Frozen movie is so far the best and most acclaimed of the Frozen franchise and Frozen II, Olaf’s Frozen Adventure and Frozen Fever failed to Met the universal acclaim as the first movie although they did have their fans and intensity as well as worldbuilding in terms of explaining where Elsa’s ice powers came from and the deaths of her and Anna’s parents. It’s unknown how the upcoming Frozen III will go.

The first Zootopia movie is so far considered by fans and critics to be the most popular, famous and critically acclaimed in the Zootopia franchise for its realism, dynamic between Nick and Judy, and good themes about discrimination, prejudice and power corruption and Zootopia+ the midquel anthropology series failed to Met the same critical success of the first Zootopia movie while Zootopia 2 while having its acclaim and fans did recieve criticism over its short pacing, heavy use of underdeveloped characters, similarities in plot line to the first Zootopia movie, unresolved plot details, and rehashing elements from Coco and Frozen and dedicated more on the adventure, action and intensity than the character developments and character depths, and retconning the past events of the first movie. Many thought that Zootopia 2 would be better if it were fifteen minutes longer.

Other fans warmly accepted Zootopia+ for giving more depth and focus on the supporting characters for the first Zootopia movie and introducing Sam, a base-breaking character and Zootopia 2 was loved by many fans and seen as superior to the first Zootopia movie and one of the Disney Animated Canon’s better theaterical sequels for its worldbuilding and introducing species not in the first movie like reptiles and pinnipeds, giving Nick and a few of the other characters more solo screen time and character development without Judy and not having the film center entirely on Judy in terms of screen time like the first movie did, having a darker and edgier tone and more emotional depth than the first movie, and higher stakes and tackling themes like police brutality, colonization, people getting away with crimes even after death, and the dangers of destroying your relationships with your friends and family with trying to avoid your personal traumas and with your obsessions, and accepting your friends and others for who they are regardless of their differences and giving Nick and Judy’s dynamic and relationship more depth and growth and giving Nick a proper redemption arc compared to the first movie in addition to introducing better written superior villains to Dawn Bellwether, the Lynxley family and giving most of the supporting characters expect Chief Bogo a more important role in the sequel and introducing great new characters like Gary De’ Snake and Nibbles the Beaver.

The first Moana movie is much more acclaimed and better reviewed than the first Moana movie for its characters, songs, plot, intensity and emotional depth with Moana 2 despite its great songs and superior animation and giving Maui more solo screen time and character development without Moana being considered to be inferior for making its characters like Moana and Maui less engaging and more bland and feeling like it was recycling plot elements from the scrapped Moana television series meant to stream on Disney+.

So that’s it, and if I was wrong, leave your replies in the comments and I will create an Even Better Sequel page for the sequels to the Disney Animated Canon and Pixar movies that actually work and are decent though not superior next.

Ice Age (2002): Runar the film’s overarching protagonist primarily builds around this troupe, because he hunted and killed most of the Smilodons in Soto and Diego’s pack to use their furs for him and his wife Nadia, son Roshan and the other humans in their tribe, mostly likely his and Nadia’s brothers also Roshan’s uncles to use to live out the winter and use their flesh for food unaware of the emotional ties that Soto had with the other members of his pack especially Diego had with those Smilodons which left Soto grief-ridden to the point of wanting revenge on Runar by killing and eating his infant son, Roshan to satisfy his grief and show Runar what his pain felt like and he and his pack indirectly cause an attack on Runar’s tribe and cause the death of Nadia indirectly who died in a heroic sacrifice to stop Diego from killing her son and Roshan’s seperation from Runar, though Nadia safely gave Roshan to Manny and Sid entrusting them in returning her son to his father before dying starting the film’s main plot over Sid and a relcuant but obliged Manny returning Roshan to Runar and his brothers and brothers-in-law with Diego accompanying them as their guide secretly planning to double cross Manny and Sid and have Soto and the pack ambush and kill them as well as Roshan costing Runar both his spouse and child as double decker grief for him to endure over killing the members of their pack until he undergoes his redemption arc especially after Manny reveals that he dealt with a similar experience over biases towards humans and grief over losing his unnamed mammoth wife and child to another tribe of humans but managed to resolve it by opening up to and bonding with Roshan and resolving his grief with his and Sid and Diego’s emotional support, and Diego decided that maybe having Soto and his pack cost Runar his wife and child was never worth it after all as the humans simply had a Freudian excuse over why they hunt the Ice Age mammals in terms of having to do so for their furs and coats and for food since they have no other way of making or getting them due to not domesticating animals yet and having no idea that they had emotions and were sapient like them in the first place (Well maybe expect Nadia for how she entrusted Manny and Sid, and Runar himself at the end.) and this combined with Manny nearly risking and sacrificing his life to save Diego’s life at the lava fields causes Diego to have his redemption and admits his ruse to Manny, Sid and Roshan and I cure fly causing Nadia’s death but makes amends for it by helping defeat Soto and his pack leading to Soto’s death and the other pack members being chased off and Diego intially sacrifices himself to save Manny from Soto by taking a slash wound meant for the mammoth but he recovers from it just in time to see Roshan off after Manny and Sid return Roshan to his father Runar and his uncles and say their goodbyes.

Scrat builds around this troupe in the second, fourth and fifth Ice Age movies, The Meltdown (2006), Continental Drift (2012) and Collison Course (2016):

In the second movie, Scrat by unplugging an acorn from the ice Dam protecting the Ice Valley from flooding to eat, he unwillingly starts the dam’s leakage and eventual collapse putting the entire valley at risking of flooding unless Manny, Sid, Diego and the herds joined by Ellie and Crash and Eddie make it to a wooden boat at the edge of the valley, likely assembled by the vultures, the squirrel luckily enough unwillingly makes amends for his error at the end, by cracking open a glacier surrounding the valley allowing the water to drain out of the valley and leave it dried up again saving all the animals from drowning.

In the fourth movie, Scrat unwillingly caused the Continental drift by chasing his acorn on the inner core of the Earth after falling into it, while trying to bury the nut which divides Pangaea into multiple continents and also lead to the Snow Valley being at risk of destruction also putting its residents at risk of death through a moving uplifted slate mountain and causing Manny, Granny, Sid and Diego’s separation from Peaches, Ellie, Louis, Crash and Eddie by getting them lost at sea eventually getting into trouble with Captain Gutt and his pirates, while also unwillingly destroying and sinking Scratlantis that he worked hard to travel to by disobeying despite his attempts to resist the tempetation, Arascratle’s orders not to unplug the giant acorn in the center of the city to eat that caused the city to sink and for its residents to drown.

In the fifth movie, Scrat reactivates an old UFO hidden in a glacier and accidentally flies it into space and created the solar system and Sun but also the mother of all asteroids sent flying to Earth at risk of destroying the entire planet, while also accidentally sending an electric storm from Jupiter using the UFO’s tractor beam to Earth creating the electric storm incident and also while trying to fly the UFO back to Earth, accidentally makes the asteroid more likely at crashing into the surface of Earth killing all its residents until he manages to fix his mistake by using the ship’s tractor beam to pull the giant space rock away away from Earth before it hits it and straight into the Sun, obliterating it, (The Sub-Zero Heroes’ desperate attempt at stopping the asteroid by launching the Geotopian crystals into space with the volcano to magnetically pull the asteroid away from Earth all would have been for nothing at the end since they only launched the crystals into the sky but it did destabilize the asteroid long enough for Scrat to grab it with the UFO’s tractor beam and throw it away from Earth and straight into the Sun, offscreen.) but the effort sends the UFO flying straight into planet Mars and killing all its life forms showing what would have happened to Earth if the asteroid did hit it.

Diego and Manny also build around this troupe in the third movie, Dawn of the Dinosaurs (2009), because Manny’s happiness over finally getting a new family, through Ellie and their yet to be born child, Peaches lead to him growing obsessed with making the occasion perfect and neglecting Sid and Diego not really giving them the respect that they deserve as honorary members of his family too, and not really supporting Diego’s problem of his existential crisis over Manny and Ellie not really needing his help in protecting the herd anymore despite all that he had done for them in the past which caused him to slowly lose his predatory instincts that he needs to hunt prey and survive so he leaves the Sub-Zero Heroes’ company to find what he is looking for, coldly rebuffing Sid as he tries to convince the Smilodon to stay (Though not as harsh as Shrek towards Donkey for you know what after Princess Fiona accepts Lord Farquaad’s marriage proposal after a misunderstanding in the third act of the first Shrek movie.) and causing the sloth to relive the abandonment issues he previously did with his biological family, and set off his motive in starting a family of his own to fill the emptiness, which he does by finding the three Tyrannosaurus eggs in the ice cave assuming that they were orphaned and adopting and raising them even after they hatch into the T. rex hatchling trio as his sons, and further becomes motived at keeping them when Manny acted all pessimistic over his choice in doing so, and asking to take them back, (Even though he was right to point out the fact that Sid basically choose to adopt the eggs right away without knowing what they would hatch into and figuring out whether they still had a parent or not, which Ellie said more nicely.) which eventually leads to the Tyrannosaurus mother of the hatchlings going into the Snow Valley and taking back her three hatchlings as well as kidnapping Sid for stealing them and bringing them to the underground lost dinosaur world setting off Manny, Ellie, Crash and Eddie’s journey in going to save Sid rejoined by Diego and Buck himself, though Manny does eventually learn to share the blame for both Diego’s decision to leave and Sid adopting the T. rex hatchlings that started the whole mess by taking them for granted and not giving them the respect that they deserve as his honorary family members since they saved him from himself in the first movie and taught him that suicide and isolation was not the solution to his grief over losing his first family and to let go of his old family and open up to having new ones in the form of Ellie and later Peaches and never tried to support their own problems like Diego’s existential crisis and Sid’s abandonment issues so at the end after everything is settled, Manny apologizes to and reconciled with Sid and Diego and finally gave them the respect that they deserved as the honorary members of his family alongside Crash and Eddie and Diego in return decides to stay with the herd after resolving his existential crisis by regaining his position as the herd’s protector and honorary family member and Sid resolved his abandonment issues and let the baby T. rexes stay with their mother in the underground dinosaur world not before saying his goodbyes to them.

The Brat Pack and Shangri Llama and Buck himself also build around this troupe in the fourth and fifth movies: In the fourth movie, ever since he first came to town, Ethan left Peaches romantically obsessed with him, as well as his friends, the Brat Pack and therefore tried to join them alongside Louis at the teenage hangout to the disapproval of Manny due to his overprotectiveness towards Peaches out of fear of losing her like how he lost his first son and fearing that Ethan and the Brat Pack would allow Peaches to do dangerous stuff that could cause her death due to the dangerous condition of the teenage hangout, especially after Peaches and Louis sneak away to there despite his orders to stay away from the hangout and the Brat Pack and Peaches accidentally gets her and Ethan stuck together with their tusks and Manny arriving too late to witness the whole story, and assuming that Peaches purposefully tried to make out with Ethan, angrily grounds Peaches from spending time with her friends for disobeying his orders and for seemingly trying to make out with Ethan without asking for his approval embarrassing Peaches in front of her friends in the process causing Peaches and Manny to get into a heated argument with each other in regards to Manny’s overprotectiveness and Peaches’ self esteem that ends with Peaches in a sad mad manner disowning Manny as her father for not caring about her emotions and using logic while trying to protect her from danger, which also contributed to Manny, Sid and Diego standing on the ice ledge that breaks off from the continent during the continental drift and for Manny, Sid and Diego to get lost at sea separated from Ellie and Peaches starting the film’s whole conflict and leaving Peaches remorseful over her fight with her father, and realize that she took her anger out on him for his overprotectiveness the wrong way, he just needed therapy to resolve his problems, not anger, while Manny also felt remorseful for acting overprotective towards Peaches to the point of hurting her feelings unwillingly and letting his trauma of losing his first son cloud his common sense and learns that Captain Gutt was half-right when he warned that his obsession with his family would be the death of him, (The villain has a point) since it is what screwed up his relationship with Peaches and almost let to him falling for the Sirens when they impostered Ellie and Peaches, so at the end, after they reunite, Manny and Peaches apologize to and reconcile with each other with Peaches now being more emotionally aware and less naive and Manny making an effort not to act overprotective towards Peaches by canceling her grounding, regaining trust in her and allowing her and Louis to hang out with the Brat Pack after their redemptions, all day every day wherever they want expect if it’s dangerous but expects her to be home an hour after sunset.

Furthermore, when Peaches finally gets herself into the Brat Pack, Ethan manipulated Peaches into not bringing Louis along with her for an adventure they went on together for safety reasons (He in reality wanted to earn Peaches as his crush and saw Louis as a threat for also wanting Peaches as his crush.) and had her tricked into lying that she was never actually friends with Louis in desperation to earn his love and affection, but unknowingly says so when Louis was right next to her who mistook Peaches’ words as a betrayal and sadly leaves, and this combined with the Brat Pack unwillingly endangering themselves and Peaches, caused the teen mammoth to realize the group’s true nature and why Manny truly disapproved of them, and was trying to protect her from them and how much Louis loved her romantically but never took sign of it, so she angrily quits from the group and ends her romance with Ethan, remorseful over choosing to trust them in the first place which cost her both her father and true best friend but she luckily managed to reconcile with Louis shortly before they were captured by Captain Gutt and his pirates and Ethan and the Brat Pack also realize the error of their ways and how much Louis means to Peaches after witnessing him bravely saving Peaches from Gutt in the climax so after the death of Gutt and defeats of the pirates, Ethan reconciles with Louis and Peaches offering them back into the Brat Pack allowing Peaches and Louis to be a couple, (I want my beloved to be happy) and be just platonic friends with Peaches in the meantime, until Louis and Peaches go separate ways for an unknown reason after Peaches forms a new romance with Julian.

In the fifth movie, Shangri Llama was the primarily reason alongside Scrat that the asteroid was attracted to Earth in the first place in terms of Geotopia, the geode asteroid from the extinction event that killed the non-avian dinosaurs and pterosaurs expect the ones who hid underground 66 million years ago being hoarded by Shangri and the Geotopians for the immortality and magic it offered them and keeping it intact instead of destroying it eventually causing the Asteriod created by Scrat in space to become attracted to it and Earth due to the magnetic properties that they have due to being obsessed with the asteroid for its immortality and magic oblivious to the threat that the mother of all asteroids would bring upon Earth and its life forms even when Buck and the Sub-Zero Heroes come along and request for the space rock to be dismantled and launched into space to draw away the asteroid and he refused, despite still pointing out the fact that they had no way to launch the asteroid into space (The dumbass has a point) until after Sid accidentally destroys Geotopia causing Shangri and the Geotopians to lose their youth and revert to their old ages, and Buck finds a way to use the volcano to launch the crystals into space, Shangri refuses to give up the crystals at first still oblivious to the threat the asteroid would bring, until Brooke nags him into agreeing to do so and convince him that stopping the asteroid was much more important than their lost youth as the asteroid was never his to keep, it came from space and the time had come for him to give it and elderliness is unpleasant but it’s also part of life, and Shangri grudgingly donated all the crystals to use to launch into space to draw the asteroid away from Earth and despite succeeding, he still felt grouchiness over his newfound elderliness and having to give up his immortality and youth for the sake of the planet and Buck, Sid and Brooke being the ones who nagged him to do until he regains his youth, immortality and handsomeness in the fountain of youth created by one of the surviving crystals.

Also in the same film, Buck primarily stopped the Dino-Birds’ theft of dinosaur eggs to eat in the Lost World overly heroically when they need to fed on them to survive since no other meats will do setting off Gavin’s obsession with having revenge on Buck for costing him and his kids their previous meal source by killing him and also allowing the asteroid to impact with Earth assuming that he and his kids would survive it due to their ability to fly and hiding underground amongst the other dinosaurs free to eat eggs like they did in the past, that is until Gavin learns the hard way especially from Roger in the climax that they wouldn’t survive the asteroid impact unless they actually stop the asteroid from hitting and Buck is the only one who can help stop it; so he lets go of his grudge and he and Buck reconcile and work together to launch the crystals necessary for stopping the asteroid into the sky/space and Buck and Roger were both on good terms with each other since then.