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Easily Forgiven moments in Disney Animated Canon movies part 2

The Lion King (1994): Many audiences find Simba himself to define this troupe because the movie ends after Scar’s death with Simba being warmly welcomed by his mother Sarabi and the PrideLanders and honored as the new king despite him falling for Scar’s manipulations and abandoning them and the Pride Lands to unknowingly suffer at Scar and the hyenas’ wrath after Mufasa’s death, and making Sarabi and Nala assume Simba was dead for all those years and while Simba of course had no idea of Scar’s true evil nature and only fell for his manipulations assuming Mufasa died partially thanks to him due to being a young kid knowing no better at the time; Simba in his teens and adulthood Should have (Unless Timon and Pumbaa did a poor job raising him then.) figured out Scar’s true villainy and him being the one responsible for Mufasa’s murderer and the wildebeest stampede with aid from the due to his newfound maturity and learn about Scar’s true villainy and the overall depressions of his mother Sarabi and friend/turned lover Nala over his disappearance and his father Mufasa’s death to push him into agreeing to go back to the Pride Lands to set things right rather than continue to run away from his past until Nala and Raifiki came along to nag him into agreeing to do just that. Simba Should also love Nala and Sarabi and his home to the point where he would never have the guts to abandon them no matter what.

Therefore audiences believe that the movie should have ended after Scar’s death and the hyenas being chased off with Simba recieving some form of ridiculing and shunning from Sarabi and the PrideLanders for his past mistakes and him working hard to earn back their forgiveness by helping restore the PrideLands to its former glory and then earn his position as the rightful king of the location. Although the sequel, “Simba’s Pride” and “The Lion Guard” both fix this by giving Simba a proper redemption arc in regards to acting as a good king and better family member in regards to not acting overprotective and controlling towards Kiara especially in regard to her newfound romance with Kovu an outsider and letting Kion lead the Lion Guard even at a young age as a lion cub in a team of Animal kids (Teens in Season 3).

Frozen (2013): Elsa and Anna’s parents despite being long dead at that point in time primarily define this troupe same for Pabbie, because the movie ends with both Elsa and Anna still honoring them as good people even into the events of the sequel, despite the fact that they were the ones who had caused the primarily problems for Elsa and Anna in the movie in the first place because when Elsa in her childhood started briefly losing control of her ice powers due to her fears caused by accidentally hitting and nearly killing Anna with them, the incident combined with Pabbie’s words to advice to Anna and Elsa’s parents in regards to their eldest daughter’s magic powers and how they will grow more dangerous if she doesn’t learn to command them, lead to them growing overprotective towards their daughters in terms of having Pabbie erase Anna’s memories of Elsa’s ice powers from her childhood and the daughters isolated and confined to the kingdom without access to the outside world and while Elsa took it well, it was more so bad for Anna and her self esteem since it left her all alone bored with no friends or adventure other than the company of her own parents and Anna and Elsa’s parents even choose to go out on a trip on their ship in the sea without the safest precautions which got themselves killed, and these events all in all set off the chain of events that lead to the conflict of the first movie happening in terms of Anna accepting Prince Hans’ marriage proposal aftee love at first sight with him (Later revealed to have been part of his evil plans.) and Elsa unleashing the eternal winter upon Ardnelle after a argument with Anna in regards to her to-early-marriage with Hans all because the parents of our protagonists showed little regard for Anna’s self esteem despite still trying to protect her and never considering having Elsa receive therapy from her family and friends to help control her ice magic powers or even enrollment at a school for sorcerers and wizards if that kind of thing exists in the world they live in and eventually find out that love is the key to controlling it, not isolation.
Therefore, fans thought that the film would have had a better ending if Anna and Elsa had visited Pabbie and the graves of their late parents to give them some sort of admonishment for their poor protection and guidance of them that lead to those bigger problems happening for them in their adulthoods (Although Pabbie did tell Anna about doing an act of true love to thaw her frozen heart which turned out to be a self sacrifice in saving Elsa from being killed by Hans helping Elsa in return finally learn the key to control her powers and undo the endless winter.) but vow to try to find a way to forgive them for them someday. Frozen II ends up fixing these mistakes by revealing the whereabouts of Elsa and Anna’s parents before their deaths to figure out the origins of Elsa’s magic ice powers and why they acted so overprotective towards their daughters in the first place.

Zootopia 2 (2025): Many audiences argue that Captain HogBottom, Chief Bogo, and Officers Chevre and Bucheron and Higgins and Bloats and the Zebros themselves were forgiven too easily for the police brutality that they ruthlessly and recklessly committed while chasing Nick and Judy and taking orders from the Lynxleys and disrespecting them in general even before they get framed because in the first act Bogo gives both Nick and Judy the cold shoulder for the property damage that they caused while chasing Antony to arrest him (He even said that they tore up half the city when they really didn’t in reality.) despite it not being that big of a deal and Antony being more to blame and he was as well for impulsively blowing their cover that started it all, (Nick and Judy were only doing what they had to do and the property damage was unintentional.) and him still holding Nick and Judy back as rookie cops despite the big favor they both did for the city, (And while Bogo was right about some things regarding Nick and Judy like Judy’s mistake in the press conference in the first movie and her choosing to give up her role as a hero she signed up for and reconciling with Nick instead of setting things right until making the discovery behind the night howlers making the preds savage and Nick never confirming to have done anything valuable to protect Zootopia’s predators from the discriminations they were receiving because of Judy and the ZPD and investigate the true source of their savageness in the meantime, he never once brings it up.) and him giving them both therapy to resolve the problems that he misguided them for with the threat of splitting them up if they don’t pass it or firing them if they disobey him again rather than go for a simpler solution by asking Gazelle and Clawhauser to talk with Nick and Judy for him to improve on their “dysfunctions”
(Gary and Nibbles eventually become the ones to do so) and disbelieving Gary’s existence despite how real his snake skin was, and not only do HogBottom and those other cops go along with it, but they quickly fall for the lies of the Lynxleys and go after Nick, Judy and Gary by their orders despite how unbelievable they were in reality and the logic that proved otherwise that Nick, Judy and Gary would never actually commit the crimes they thought they committed and became obsessed with wanting to arrest them for it anyway, without considering doing a proper crime investigation or interogation first like a true cop would and not only do their actions nearly allow the Lynxleys to win and almost kill Nick and Judy but they also commit a lot of protocols no cops in real life should commit close to police brutality while chasing them also making them come off as hypocrites in terms of: 1) Bogo downright assaulting Nick one of his own employees/cops at the Zootennial Gala, in front of everyone. 2) the Zebros pushing one of Gazelle’s tigers an innocent bystander at the gala 3) Higgins and Bloats charging through Marsh Market endangering citizens and damaging property and eating apples (That they probably paid for) 4) Chevre and Bucheron downright assaulting both Nick and Judy and endangering their lives at the HoneyMoon lodge, and Bucheron attempting to kill Judy by tranquilizing her to make her fall to her death before PawBert saves her. 5) HogBottom ordered by Milton Lynxley nearly using lethal force on Judy before deciding not to only for Higgins to accidentally bump into her and fire her poison dart anyway, 6) Higgins, Bloats and Chevre and Bucheron assaulting Gary at the weather wall just because they thought he was trying to fang and kill Judy without letting him speak up and explain what was really happening and noticing PawBert’s attempts at trying to murder Nick while fighting him.

It all made it clear at the end that HogBottom, Bogo and These other cops were caring more about preserving their reputations and fame as cops and have revenge on Nick and Judy for stealing it from them (Although they cross the line over having to kill them for it though Bucheron didn’t hesitate in doing so himself.) than doing what was truly right and were behaving the same way as the cops from when Ebenezer first framed Agnes in the 1910s despite the fact that the movie was set in the 2010s and the police must have advanced and improved to the point where they should do better at their jobs and tell whether or not ones are guilty or innocent through investigations rather than accuse them for it right away and respect their colleagues for who they are despite their differences. They were also behaving like the movie’s secondary antagonists or plot devices instead of real heroes, because if they were real heroes things would have been a whole lot different.

The movie all in all ends after the Lynxleys are exposed and arrested and Nick, Judy, Gary and Nibbles have their names cleared with HogBottom, Bogo and all those other cops being easily forgiven and excused for their actions listed above despite the fact that they never once apologize for them or admit that they were wrong or show true remorse for them (Except for HogBottom and Higgins themselves.) and Bucheron and HogBottom both got dangerously close to actually killing Judy, not to mention that the first one did so intentionally and Nick, Judy, Gary and Nibbles seem to quickly forgive those characters for their mistakes to the point where they allow them to take part in the celebrations in the ending and accept their apology gift in terms of having Nick and Judy promoted to lead officers and given medals for their heroics without rightfully giving them any sort of scoldings or revenge payback for all the wrong that they did, (Other than Gary fanging Bogo and getting him hospitalized despite it being accidental, Judy indirectly having Gazelle and her tigers beat up the Zebros and knocking Higgins, Bloats and Chevre and Bucheron unconscious and giving them concussions with Gary to go save Nick.) other than these characters excluding Bogo ending up in therapy at the end for their mistakes with the possibility of losing their own partners or getting fired if they don’t pass it and not to mention, they more easily could avoided the problems that they got themselves into by reasoning with Nick and Judy in the first place while PawBert, Cattrick and Kitty are all given the harshest punishment for their crimes in terms of being sent to the same prison and locked in the same cell as the father who got them their in the first place when these cops almost committed far worse than these three did in terms of amorality and while not the moral event horizon, it’s still bad. Even Mayor Winddancer himself admits and apologizes for his own mistakes at the end and is nagged by Nibbles to do just that and redeem himself for them by helping defeat Milton, Cattrick and Kitty so they would all get arrested and surrendering his job as mayor for working for Milton. While these designated hero cops never do.

This even created an explosive rant on Reddit over HogBottom and Bogo and those cops not only having hypocrisy towards both Nick and Judy (Even after HogBottom called Nick off for having no respect for others in prison when she does the exact same thing.) but also nearly committing police brutality and slacking at their jobs as cops and getting off Scot-free for it at the end. This might have been one of the reasons why Zootopia 3 was produced and released sooner than expected to confirm that Bogo, HogBottom and These cops received karma houdini warranty for their actions in terms of them (Except the Zebros) all getting fired from the ZPD or given parking duty demotion or being forced to do duties as cops they don’t want to for them or having HogBottom, Truffler, Chevre and Bucheron all get arrested alongside Winddancer and given community service or prison for their crimes expect for Bogo, Higgins, Bloats and the Zebros who are all given parking duty demotion instead or give them some sort of redemption arcs and apology speeches for their past mistakes and work hard to earn the forgiveness of Nick and Judy for their mistakes who in return rightfully admonish them and give them public humiliations and revenge payback for their actions while PawBert, Cattrick and Kitty despite being considered beyond redemption get a softer punishment for their own past crimes after a trial in terms of them being sent to a different prison the same one Lionheart was sent too away from their abusive father Milton with their sentence reduced or given house arrest and community service.

The Fox and the Hound (1981): Many audiences disliked Amos Shale’s redemption in the ending because despite him excessively trying to hunt Tod after the incident with the chickens at his house causing bigger problems for others in the process despite what Widow Tweed had to say about it, and refusing to acknowledge his own mistakes he brought upon himself because if it and even going far as to blame him for Chief nearly getting killed and him getting injured despite it more so being his own fault for shouting at him to jump off the train track and raising Copper to turn against Tod out of obligation to his master in his adulthood and breaking into a non-hunting nature preserve just to hunt Tod and still trying to shot him even after he risks his life to save him and Copper from the black bear, he only reforms after Copper (Who reconciled with Tod) stands up to him and makes him realize the error of his ways and decide to spare Tod and apologize to the fox despite it being completely unearned and Widow seems to act friendly towards Amos regardless of his past mistakes due to her being shown tending to his wound created by the bear trap in the ending instead of tattletaling his crime of trespassing on the nature preserve to hunt Tod and Vixey to the police or park rangers to get him arrested for it.

Therefore, audiences believe that the movie should have ended with Amos getting arrested by the park rangers and carried off to prison instead of reforming after Vixey and Big Mama make him aware of his attempted poaching in the nature preserve taking his gun and bear traps as evidence allowing Tod and Copper plus Vixey to live in peace together in the woods while Widow Tweed Sells Amos’ house to a new owner and Chief and his chickens to a farm.

Easily Forgiven moments in Disney Animated Canon movies: (part 1)

Lady and the Tramp (1955): Many audiences believe that Aunt Sarah was let off too easily for the abuse and mistreatment she gave Lady and Tramp and dogs in general; Since Sarah treats Lady like a vermin since they first cross paths regardless of whether she was trying to protect Jim Jr. or not and she later on falls for the gambit of her own Siamese cats when they fake injury and frame a mess they made on Lady prompting Sarah to pamper her cats and punish Lady for it by muzzling her causing her to run away from home and indirectly fall in love with Tramp and when Lady comes back, Sarah punished her for running away by chaining her to her doghouse without ever once admitting her own mistake that caused it, disregarded Lady’s warnings over the rat about to attack Jim Jr. in his bedroom and worst of all, foolishly assuming that Tramp and Lady (Who broke free of her chain) had tried to harm and hurt Jim Jr. after his crib gets knocked over failing to find that rat Tramp saved Jim Jr. and attacks our dog couple in retribution in terms of having Lady locked in the cellar and Tramp in the closet and calls the dog pound to take away Tramp to be put down until after Jim Dear and Darling return and free Lady who clears her and Tramp’s names by revealing the dead rat, prompting the human couple, Lady and Jock and Trusty to work together to save Tramp though the effort nearly kills Trusty, the film all in all ends with Sarah and her Siamese cats getting no onscreen consequences for their mistakes and being forgiven too easily even after Sarah sends Lady, Tramp and their puppies dog biscuits the following Christmas as an apology gift for her abuse. Audiences believe the movie Should have ended with Sarah and her Siamese cats getting punishment for their actions by being harassed by Lady and Tramp and scolded by Jim Dear and Darling and sent back to their home in disgrace although it was the case in the 2019 live-action remake and a storybook adaptation of the movie.

The Jungle Book (1967): Many audiences thought that Mowgli was let off too easily for his brattiness that caused problems for both Bagheera and Baloo because while it was understandable why he would behave that way for being a ten-year old kid treating going to the Man-Village like him going back to school when summer ends, the writers actually made Mowgli come off as more selfish, stubborn and childish and foolish than they originally intended because while not that sad over having to leave his wolf family, Mowgli refused to leave the jungle just because he thought it was more “fun” unconcerned of the dangers for him there especially from Shere Khan himself and believed if he goes to the village, he will be surrounded by new people he doesn’t know that might not even accept him for his differences. Never once did Mowgli consider giving the village a try and seeing whether he will like it or not and runs away from and cuts ties with both Baloo and Bagheera after they both try to reason with him to go to the village. Not to mention that the former did so far more nicely, and Mowgli’s choice was foolish as he had nowhere else left to go in the jungle and couldn’t survive on his own without a parent/guardian though he quickly came to regret it and decide to set things right even after the vultures sing to him, though when Shere Khan corners him, he refused to easily run away believing he had what it took to defeat the tiger which nearly got him killed and learn the hard way of just how dangerous he is, until Baloo shows up to save him, nearly dying in the process and though he survived barely and Mowgli redeems himself for his mistakes by scaring Shere Khan away from the jungle likely for good with fire and apologizes to and reconciles with both Baloo and Bagheera and finally agreed to go to the Man-Village, the bear and Panther both seem to quickly forgive the human boy for the problems he got himself into that almost got Baloo killed that he more easily could have avoided if he listened to them in the first place, and never give him any harsh scoldings or “I warned you!” remarks.

Wreck-It-Ralph (2012): Many audiences believe that Gene and the NiceLanders were let off too easily for their mistakes at the end. Because they spend thirty years treating Ralph like literal garbage having him live in the dump or their game and not in NiceLand for being the villain of the game they are in, despite him not actually being one in reality, and even Mary herself goes along with it unless she was pressured by Gene, and it worsened to the point where Ralph choose to game-jump in order to get the respect he deserves by winning a medal in a different game (Hero’s Duty) kickstarting the main plot of the film and putting Fix-It-Felix Jr. At risk of being unplugged and when Ralph comes back, Gene blames him entirely for what happened when he was the one who started it all in the first place, and not to mention, he and the other NiceLanders give up on their game after Ralph and Felix don’t come back rather then go out to help them on their own. Which is many many disliked how Ralph and Felix were quick to forgive Gene and the NiceLanders after they apologize and make amends with Ralph when he proved he could be a good guy after all by saving Sugar Rush and the arcade from Turbo and the Cy-Bugs, in terms of allowing Ralph into NiceLand and giving him the respect he deserves. (To be fair, Gene’s actions did also indirectly cause Ralph to discover King Candy/Turbo’s scheme in taking over Sugar Rush as its new protagonist while trying to delete Vanellope and he helped Vanellope and defeated Turbo and saved Vanellope as a result and Calhoun and Felix getting together as the romantic couple they are, but still.) It would have been more satisfying if Ralph and Felix tiraded Gene and gave him punishment for his actions by having him exiled from NiceLand and forced to live in the garbage dump to show him what Ralph felt like and have Mary do so too for going along with Gene’s abuse of Ralph when she should know better or have Felix and Ralph leave their game to be unplugged and move in with Vanellope and Calhoun in Sugar Rush and Hero’s Duty and leave Gene and the NiceLanders to resolve their issue of being homeless on their own because they brought it upon themselves.

Gatto (2027): Have the movie use an entirely new animation style unlike any of Pixar’s past movies and have the dynamic between the black cat and pigeon characters be like Remy and Linguini’s in Ratatouille (2007) or a heroic version of PawBert’s and Gary’s in Zootopia 2. Have it be Pixar’s milestone in animation like “Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse” was for Sony Pictures Animation.

Hexed (2026):

1. Have the movie be overall good and original and be an improved version of Raya and the Last Dragon.

2. Have Billie voiced by Hailee Steinfield be a good well-written protagonist and not a rip-off from Luz from The Owl House.

3. Give the movie good animation, a plot and a good dynamic between Billie and her mom and have it be a modern fantasy movie done right much like Frozen III released right after it. Also don’t have it use the same generic formula used in many of Disney’s modern movies other than having the female protagonist.

4. Have the live-action Lilo and Stitch short film shown in its theatrical release be good. Also have it use an iconic classic non-twist villain who actually perished at the end like Disney used to do in the past. Also to show that Frozen III and Zootopia 3 and Disney’s future films might use them too.

5. Don’t make it a musical, or a rip-off of “Forgotten Island” and a film inferior to “Hoppers” and “The Cat in the Hat” like “Strange World” was to “Turning Red” and “Puss in Boots: The Last Wish”

Frozen III (2027):

1. Have its plot and story be overall better and more exciting than that of Frozen II and have its new villain be overall well-written and iconic too. Also maybe bring back Prince Hans for a redemption arc to hint that PawBert Lynxley May do so as well in Zootopia 3.

2. Make Olaf much funnier and more hilarious than he was in the first two Frozen movies and reuse the joke of him re-enacting Disney movies maybe in this film and a second season of “Olaf Presents” and make his romance with Samantha the female snowman well-executed.

3. Have the songs be overall iconic and superior to the ones from the first two Frozen movies despite not being able to use the “Get This Right” song scrapped from Frozen II, and have the film itself be the best in the Frozen series. Also give more depth into Kristoff’s past and inteoduce his biological family members if they are still alive or not.

4. Have Anna’s memories of Elsa’s ice powers from her childhood finally get restored to help he finally see her older sister better although she did already start to do so in the first two movies, and maybe give the movie a concept or her and Kristoff raising a child, a son who becomes Elsa’s nephew.

5. Have it be a two-part movie complete with “Frozen IV” much like Spider-Man: Across the Spider-Verse and Beyond the Spider-Verse and Wicked and Wicked for Good and the last two Avengers movies in the Infinity Saga and Multiverse Saga of the Marvel Cinematic Universe (Infinity War, Endgame, DoomsDay and Secret Wars.) to make the sequel more engaging to audiences and do what do animated theaterical sequel done by Disney or Pixar would do before.

Zootopia 3 (Maybe, 2030 or 2031)

1. Have the film break the formula that was used in the first two Zootopia movies in terms of making it less like a non-musical Disney Princess movie (Moana, Frozen or Tangled) like those previous two movies and a whole lot more like a Pixar movie (Or even Wreck-It-Ralph, Big Hero 6 or Strange World.) and make Nick Wilde the main protagonist given more depth into his past and overall family (And finally introduce Nick’s parents and siblings.) and character development and interactions with Gary De’ Snake while Judy Hopps is sidelined to a dueteragonist with more interactions with Nibbles the Beaver and also create a role reversal between Nick and Judy, in terms of now making Nick the nice Guy and happy-go-lucky opportunist and Judy the emotionally insecure one but while still making Nick sly, cocky and laid-back and Judy optimistic, sassy, all-loving and heroic.

2. Have Zootopia 3 get a time skip of being set three years after Zootopia 2 and reveal at that point in time Nick and Judy are an official romantic couple and living in the same house as roommates and now the most iconic and important cops in the ZPD no longer underdogs for solving two conspiracies that benefit the city in a row while Chief Bogo and Captain HogBottom learn to better respect them or better yet Bogo was forced into retirement for the poor mentorship he gave his cops and HogBottom, Truffler, Chevre and Bucheron were all fired from the ZPD for the police brutality that they committed in the second movie and thanking orders from Milton Lynxley and not passing the therapy with Dr. Fuzzby they originally got as discipline for it and now have to do really boring jobs as businessmen and a businesswoman while the Zebros and Higgins and Bloats learn to take a level in kindness and better respect Nick and Judy and do their jobs as cops better thanks to Gazelle and Officer Pennington. Gary and Nibbles should also join the ZPD as cops to aid Nick and Judy in their future cases.

3. Have the film finally focus on Nick and Judy becoming a romantic couple ending with them getting married or going on their first date and have them and Gary and Nibbles learn that they don’t need to work as cops to make the world a better place and also make it and maybe Nick’s relationship with his family a subplot from the film’s main plot of birds returning to the titular city with the main reason for their absence from it not being done as a rehash for the reason for reptiles in Zootopia 2. Also have it not include any twist villains and include a classic obviously evil main villain that is a bird of prey who is well-written and maybe a tragic villain and not stereotypical power-hungry one who perished at the end. Also have him or her be the darkest villain in the Zootopia movies more so than the Lynxleys or Bellwether. Also have Judy finally tell Nick about her bullying from Gideon Gray although she already all but did so in their reunion and confession/reconciliation in the second movie.

4. Have the film tone down on the cartoonishness that was used in the second movie and have it return to the realism from the first movie. (For example have Mayor Winddancer lose his job as mayor for working with Milton Lynxley and return to his acting career while a new mayor for the titular city who is most likely the giraffe or kangaroo one scrapped for the second movie or even a primate appear in the third movie.) Also give PawBert Lynxley a well-written redemption arc that involves freeing Dawn Bellwether from the brainwashing (Done by an inhibitor chip installed in the back of her head and brain hidden under her wool.) that made her evil from her adoptive mother, Mayor Swinton the pig and tragic villain from Extropolis, who was also the true main overarching villain and mastermind behind the savage predator crisis of the first Zootopia movie (Disguised as a prison warden in the end credits punishing Bellwether for her failure caused by her overconfidence by forcing her to watch Gazelle’s concert and have her wool played with.) with a backstory and understandable motive for her goals while Bellwether was just her protege with PawBert and Bellwether also working together forming a romance with each other in the process to kill and defeat Swinton and Milton and Cattrick (Kitty Lynxley also goes on a redemption arc and Doug Ramses also brainwashed by Swinton unless the latter dies in a heroic sacrifice instead.) the secondary villains of the movie alongside the main bird villain who also dies at the end with PawBert and Bellwether reconciling with Nick, Judy and Gary in the process. Also give Gary the Snake more depth and a character arc and have his right fang grow back.

If you don’t want that subplot maybe instead have it focus on Chief Bogo, Captain HogBottom, Truffler, Officers Chevre, Bucheron and Lionheart or Winddancer whichever comes last going on redemption arcs with more depth also being revealed into their characters ending with them dying in heroic sacrifices to help Nick and Judy kill and defeat the main bird villain for the movie or to protect them from death that are not stupid sacrifices to avoid a forced redemption equals death. (Even if Bogo was already inevitably dying by the third movie since Gary’s fang piercing his brain and skull in the second movie took a heavy toll on him, causing his health to decline with his Scarifice by taking the bullet to save Nick and Judy alongside HogBottom delivering the final blow.)

5. Have it include more worldbuilding in terms of having the characters visit new districts like the CanyonLands, Nocturnal District and Outback Island as well the continent

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All of Illumination’s animated feature films as well as Hop (2011) produced from 2010 to 2027 were well known for only having male main protagonists, and there being no individual female main protagonists other than the female main characters of those movies being the deuteragonists or tritagonists as well as Buster Moon, Johnny, Rosita, Meena and Ash and later on Clay Calloway, Porsha Crystal and Nooshy or Suki Lane sharing the main protagonist role in the “Sing” movies but Buster Moon nervethless appears as the central protagonist while Mario and Princess Peach shared the main protagonist role in the “Super Mario” movies but they still nevertheless mainly focused on Mario himself and the male and female romantic couple for “Not Alone” both share the main protagonist role.

Barbie will change everything by featuring the first individual female main protagonist in an Illumination animated movie, so there would be a gender balance.

Pixar and DreamWorks Animation as well as Sony Pictures Animation are better known for having a gender balance of using both male and female main protagonists in their animated feature films, while Walt Disney Animation Studios nowadays uses female main protagonists in all their feature films (The male main characters are either deuteragonists or tritagonists.) done in the Revival Era expect for Wreck-It-Ralph, Big Hero 6 and Strange World while Hexed was originally going to have a male main protagonist before being changed to female in the Final Cut and Nick Wilde was originally going to be the main protagonist of Zootopia.

Disney’s most recent movie Zootopia 2 even still has Judy Hopps as the main protagonist and Nick Wilde as the deuteragonist rather than swoop their roles, but mainly since the writers could complete the unfinished business and tie up the loose ends in Nick and Judy’s character arcs and relationship that was left unresolved in the first movie rather than start new character arcs for them in the sequel that would only work if Judy were still the protagonist while Nick was still the dueteragonist although that didn’t stop the writers from giving Nick more individual screen time and character development without Judy, to avoid making her a spotlight hog like the first movie, while Nick himself may hopefully appear as the main protagonist of Zootopia 3 with more interactions with Gary De’ Snake (Whose right fang will grow back.) while Judy is demoted to a dueteragonist and gets more interactions with Nibbles the Beaver while Kristoff might finally get a main protagonist role in Frozen III, with more depth explored into his past.

Meanwhile do you think that in Sing 3 and The Secret Life of Pets 3, should Max and Buster Moon still be the main protagonists or have those roles given to Duke or Johnny, to give them more character depth or better yet Porsha Crystal and Gidget, so there would be a gender balance?

Number Ten: In Toy Story (1995), it happens three times, first after Buzz makes the shocking discovery over him being a toy, and that he dragged Woody through all that trouble and got him seperated from Andy for nothing, it puts him a moment of depression and guilt over what happened, until Woody manages to snap him out of it through a speech of how great he is as a toy despite his past delusions. It second happens in Woody’s case, when he also takes all the blame and remorse for his and Buzz’s predicament at Sid’s house due to his jealousy over Andy favoring Buzz more over him to the point where he offers to have Buzz go on without him to Andy’s but Buzz shows the cowboy forgiveness to the point where he frees him so they could get back to Andy’s together. Mr. Potato Head also gets one where after spending most of the movie assuming that Woody killed Buzz and treated him like the enemy for it, he finally realizes his mistake after witnessing Buzz alive and okay as he and Woody try to make it into the moving van and he sets off to help them as a direct result.

Number Nine: In A Bug’s Life (1998) Princess Atta and the ant colony get one where after exiling Flik and the circus bugs from Ant Island, after their lie is discovered they abandon the plan devised with the fake bird in the process reverting back to plan A with their offering to the grasshoppers which obviously fails, and allows the grasshoppers to take over Ant Island which causes Atta and the ants to realize how much Flik had been trying to help them by making a difference and all they did was treat him like a nuisance for his mistakes and exiling him for lying and abandoning the plan he devised was the wrong choice after all, but luckily Dot is able to recruit Flik and the circus bugs back to Ant Island to save the day and allowing Atta and the ant colony to reconcile with them and accept Flik for who he is.

Number Eight: In Toy Story 2 (1999), Woody gets one in regards to his fight with Jessie after assuming that she was the one who sabotaged his escape from Al, to ensure that they go to the toy museum together after she explains to him her past with Emily, and why she dislikes being in storage, which combined with a warning from Stinky Pete in regards to Andy growing up, causes Woody to regret his fight with Jessie and decide to stay and go to the toy museum with her and his Roundup Gang for their sakes although he changes his mind and decides to go back to Andy after all and he was making the wrong choose by abandoning his owner and friends after Buzz and his friends come back to save them but Woody decided to bring Jessie, Bullseye and Stinky Pete with him do they won’t have to go back into storage but then Stinky Pete reveals his true evil nature and that he was the one who sabotaged Woody’s escape and framed it on Jessie.

Number Seven: In Monsters’ Inc. (2001), Sulley gets a huge one where after accidentally scaring Boo in a scaring demonstration, he then finally sees how wrong and horrible it is for momsters to scare human kids, it may benefit them in terms of the energy, but not the mental health of those kids and vows to set things right for the human kids not just Boo and end Waternoose and Randall’s scheme as a direct result. Mike also gets one not long after he renounces his friendship with Sulley for ruining his life by getting them banished to the human world where after Sulley goes to save Boo and stop Waternoose and Randall on his own where Mike finally sees how selfish and jerkish he had been acting so he goes back to reconcile with Sulley and help him as a direct result.

In the prequel, Monsters’ University (2013), Sulley also gets one where after he accidentally says the wrong words to Mike after the latter makes the shocking discovery over him having them cheat in the final round of Scare Games that drives him and the rest of Ozma Kappa, fed up with his jerk jock behavior despite the effort he put into overcoming it, he finally sees how much damage his obsession with impressing his family by being a famed scarer like them caused to his life, so he takes accountability for his actions by admitting that he cheated in the final round of the Scare Games to Dean Hardscrabble which causes her to expel him from the university in Mike’s place but letting the rest of the team Mike included back into the scaring program for their effort in the games Though Sulley does also manage to reconcile with Mike after the latter learns the hard way that he actually isn’t scary after failing to scare real human kids in a last-ditch effort to prove himself and when they get trapped in the human world, they work together to get back to the monster world through their teamwork though it gets them both expelled from the college but they are still able to work Monsters’ Inc as a scarer and scare coach.

Number Six: In Finding Nemo (2003), Marlin and Nemo both get ones in regards to their fight with each other after they get seperated in terms of Nemo realizing that it was wrong to tell his Dad that he hated him out of spite for his overprotectiveness and commit a reckless act to prove himself that for him caught by Philip Sherman since he repeated his mother’s past mistake that got her and his unborn siblings killed that caused his father to act overprotective towards him in the first place. Marlin also soon saw that he had made the wrong choice in excessively acting stern and overprotective on Nemo to avoid letting him suffer the same fate his mom and unborn siblings did and recall his trauma over losing them to the point where he didn’t allow him to live his own life and accomplish things on his own which isn’t what Coral would have wanted. Marlin and Nemo do still manage to apologize and reconcile with each other when they reunite. Gill also gets one after he almost gets Nemo killed in his first attempt to jam the filter for their escape plan, he realized that he was so ready to return to the ocean that he was willing to put Nemo’s life at risk to do so.

In Finding Dory (2016), Marlin and Hank both get ones (Though it more so took being called out for it by Nemo in Marlin’s case.) in regards to angrily snapping at Dory for her short-term memory loss that always causes problems after it almost gets Nemo eaten by a Humboldt squid and gets Hank caught, that leads to Dory trying to find help in desperation to reconcile with Marlin but gets her captured and Dory later on calls Hank out for being cranky and selfish, as Marlin and Hank finally started to see Dory’s short-term memory loss as a disability she is recovering from and not a bad thing and what the blue tang is good at other than just forgetting.

Number Five: In Inside Out (2015), after spending much of the film obsessed with making Riley happy despite what the other emotions especially Sadness had to say about it, that caused bigger problems, it would take getting trapped in the memory dump being called out by Bing Bong who got trapped alongside her for it since she tried to ditch him and Sadness to get back to HQ and witnessing the sad core memory discarded in the dump for Joy to realize how selfish and a control freak she had been in terms of ensuring that Riley was positive at all costs without letting the other emotions do their work in making her feel them as well, and finally saw the true purpose of Sadness in the process and she escapes from the memory dump with aid from Bing Bong who sacrifices himself to reconcile with Sadness and set things right as a result.

Sadness also gets a brief one in the climax when assuming that she brought nothing but bad luck and disharmony to Riley and her emotions for being the embodiment of sadness before Joy convinced her otherwise. Anger also gets one where after making Riley angry for when she didn’t need to and trying to make her run away to Minnesota to restore her happiness in Joy and the core memories’ absence causing all the Islands of Personality expect Goofball Island to collapse making it harder for Joy, Sadness and Bing Bong to get back home and indirectly causes Bing’s death, Anger finally realizes that he was making the wrong choice when Family Island collapses and he and Fear and Disgust try to remove the idea bulb effecting Riley but to no avail, which would have allowed Gloom to take over if it were not for Joy and Sadness coming back to save Riley from descending to depression.

Sadness also causes Riley to get one after she nearly runs away back home to Minnesota where she found her decision being wrong and she aborts and returns to her parents and tearfully apologizes to them for acting grumpy and trying to run away home admitting her sadness over leaving Minnesota and disliking San Fransisco as they forgive and console her admitting that they felt the same way.

Number Four: In Wall-E (2008), EVE gets one when after witnessing how much Wall-E loves her romantically through replayed footage of him tending to her while in standby mode, he finally saw how much she was obsessed with completing her directive to return the favor to him for his romance, so she tried to head back to Wall-E to do just that and apologize for not doing so sooner only to be interrupted by AUTO who reveals his true antagonistic but not-so-evil nature.

Captain McCera also gets one in regards to allowing the humans of the Axiom and the BNL fleet to stay in space for 700 years in the directive AUTO was ordered to have them follow letting Earth rot from the garbage and environmental destruction left there in the past after Operation Cleanup failed, finally seeing that it was better for the humans to live a life on a planet than survive in Space, (Since it literally caused them to become one with technology.) so he vowed to complete Operation Recolonize and have all the humans return to Earth whether AUTO likes it or not to return it to its former glory and environmental state so they can live lives again.

Number Three: In Coco (2017), Miguel gets one where after running away from his relatives in the Land of the Dead and Hector and Dante to get to Ernesto De La Cruz whom he still thought was his great great grandfather to send him back to the Land of the Living to reconcile with hjs living family but while still becoming a musician to end their disillusions towards music and Ernesto, he ends up regretting and showing remorse over his choice in doing so after Ernesto reveals his true evil nature and that he was never his great-great-grandfather or the true writer for his songs but Hector was rather was and he murdered Hector and stole all the credit for his songs to make himself rich and famous especially after Ernesto orders both Miguel and Hector to be imprisoned to ensure that his secret never gets revealed, and this combined with Hector nearly disappearing in the “final death” due to Coco nearly forgetting him, caused him to realize that family is more important than music and careers and he actually originally choose music and his passion for it over his family/friends just as Ernesto did and he could have avoided the situation he was in if he listened to Hector and agreed to go back to Imelda when she and the deceased Rivieras corner him at the talent show in the first place. So Miguel started caring more about his family than music from then on.

Imelda gets this same realization where after antagonizing and shunning Hector for much of the movie even after death when assuming that he abandoned her, Coco and the rest of his family for a music career, even after the reveal is made over him never intending to abandon his family in the first place but had planned to return to them and cared about them all along especially Coco and Imelda herself before Ernesto ruined everything, but still agrees to have his name cleared and have Miguel return to the Land or the Living to ensure that he never gets forgotten on the condition that he agrees never to play music again (Miguel this time agrees), she soon manages to forgive Hector and re-embrace her music talent and realize how jerkish and foolish and a control freak she was unintentionally acting as after singing and dance fighting with Ernesto, so she allowed Miguel to play music again after he returns to the Land of the Living, on the condition that he never puts it before his family again and he obeys since he uses music to help Coco remember Hector again.

All of Illumination’s animated feature films as well as Hop (2011) produced from 2010 to 2027 were well known for only having male main protagonists, and there being no individual female main protagonists other than the female main characters of those movies being the deuteragonists or tritagonists as well as Buster Moon, Johnny, Rosita, Meena and Ash and later on Clay Calloway, Porsha Crystal and Nooshy or Suki Lane sharing the main protagonist role in the “Sing” movies but Buster Moon nervethless appears as the central protagonist while Mario and Princess Peach shared the main protagonist role in the “Super Mario” movies but they still nevertheless mainly focused on Mario himself and the male and female romantic couple for “Not Alone” both share the main protagonist role.

Barbie will change everything by featuring the first individual female main protagonist in an Illumination animated movie, so there would be a gender balance.

Pixar and DreamWorks Animation as well as Sony Pictures Animation are better known for having a gender balance of using both male and female main protagonists in their animated feature films, while Walt Disney Animation Studios nowadays uses female main protagonists in all their feature films (The male main characters are either deuteragonists or tritagonists.) done in the Revival Era expect for Wreck-It-Ralph, Big Hero 6 and Strange World while Hexed was originally going to have a male main protagonist before being changed to female in the Final Cut and Nick Wilde was originally going to be the main protagonist of Zootopia.

Disney’s most recent movie Zootopia 2 even still has Judy Hopps as the main protagonist and Nick Wilde as the deuteragonist rather than swoop their roles, but mainly since the writers could complete the unfinished business and tie up the loose ends in Nick and Judy’s character arcs and relationship that was left unresolved in the first movie rather than start new character arcs for them in the sequel that would only work if Judy were still the protagonist while Nick was still the dueteragonist although that didn’t stop the writers from giving Nick more individual screen time and character development without Judy, to avoid making her a spotlight hog like the first movie, while Nick himself may hopefully appear as the main protagonist of Zootopia 3 with more interactions with Gary De’ Snake (Whose right fang will grow back.) while Judy is demoted to a dueteragonist and gets more interactions with Nibbles the Beaver while Kristoff might finally get a main protagonist role in Frozen III, with more depth explored into his past.

Meanwhile do you think that in Sing 3 and The Secret Life of Pets 3, should Max and Buster Moon still be the main protagonists or have those roles given to Duke or Johnny, to give them more character depth or better yet Porsha Crystal and Gidget, so there would be a gender balance?

King Candy/Turbo gets twice in the movie:

First, after Turbo successfully takes over Sugar Rush in 1997 reprogramming himself to become its new protagonist, King Candy turning Vanellope into a glitch and the other characters in the game against her with brainwashing, he never even after taking into consideration the fact that as long as she is a glitch unless the game is reset she can’t leave her game and get helping into racing and finding a new home, that he now had a clear shot at getting rid of Vanellope to ensure that she never races and resets the game by either catching her and putting her in a glitch proof fugedon cell (Though he does so in the movie’s third act until Ralph frees her.) or sentencing her to death by throwing her into the lava in the Diet Coke mountain since she can’t regenerate without her code, which he unplugged and lying to the game’s residents that she committed suicide over being a glitch, instead he lets her off Scot-free with no success in catching her even with the donut police’s help for a decade and a half until 2012, which eventually sets off the chain of events that leads to Ralph befriending Vanellope through his game jumping to try to earn the respect he deserves from Gene and the NiceLanders by earning a medal and him eventually helping her kill and defeat Turbo and reset the game and her status as the protagonist allowing her to race again and fix her glitching and be re-accepted into the game’s society also allowing Ralph to finally prove himself to be a hero to Gene and the NiceLanders by committing a heroic selfless act and not by winning a medal and be accepted into NiceLand. (Despite the forgiveness Ralph got from Gene feeling somewhat unearned)

Wreck-It-Ralph himself despite not being a literal villain, but a character who plays the villain/antagonist in his video game “Fix-It-Felix Jr.” also subverts to this troupe himself through the heroic acts he commits redeeming himself for his past mistakes and allowing Sergeant Calhoun and Fix-It-Felix Jr. to come together also causing their own character arcs.

In the climax, after Turbo once his true identity is revealed and he merges with the Cy-Bug that eaten him up, (Presumably the first one that Ralph had brought into the Sugar Rush game.) putting him in one-winged Angel form, he had a clear shot at winning once the Cy-Bugs finish devouring Sugar Rush in terms of killing Ralph since video game characters who die outside their games never re-generate ever, and having the Cy-Bugs do the same with Vanellope since she can’t regenerate while trapped in her game without her code he still deleted and then have him and the bugs leave Sugar Rush before Calhoun could have it unplugged and have Turbo take over another racing game for himself since his abilities were now enhanced and have the bugs devour the other least important games in the arcade before he has them all exterminated as well, but once Ralph slips free from Turbo in his Cy-Bug form and falls to erupt Diet Coke Mountain, Turbo (Unless he was unaware of the volcano’s true effects.) never once tried to stop Ralph or slay him when he had a clear shot at doing so, he instead just lets him fall until he erupts the volcano and is rescued by Vanellope and it erupts and becomes a beacon that attracts all the Cy-Bugs to it and kills and destroys them all him included. And since they were outside their original games, they die for good with no hope of being regenerated.

In 2022, two big animated movies, one from Disney, “Strange World” and one from DreamWorks, “Puss in Boots: The Last Wish” one from Disney did poorly both critically and commercially, “Strange World” and the other non-Disney “Puss in Boots: The Last Wish” was a critical and commerical success.

As for Disney’s “Zootopia 2” and Sony’s “K-Pop Demon Hunters” both did very well both critically and commercially in the cinema in 2025 though the former was so much better reviewed. DreamWorks’ “The Wild Robot” also recieved so much better acclaim than Disney’s “Moana 2”

Now we got “Hexed” and “Dr. Seuss’s The Cat in the Hat” a Disney film and non-Disney film, which will do better in the cinema and be the best reviewed? Leave your replies in the comments below. For me, I think it’s “The Cat in the Hat” from the Warner Animation Group for being an improved second attempt at making a Cat in the Hat feature film Adaptation that’s more faithful to original the source material after the completely infamous 2003 live-action movie version, while “Hexed” may still use the same generic formula Disney uses in their feature films nowadays and is still in the fantasy or fairy tale genre though they did take a break from it for “Zootopia 2” the film also somewhat rip-offs “The Owl House” and its old draft with it having a male main protagonist and a dynamic between a mother and son or an adaptation of “Hansel and Gretel” was so much better than the movie we are actually gonna get. Don’t you agree with me?

The last we see of the medal of heroes is Ralph discarding it by pulling it off his neck and throwing it at the screen of “Fix-It-Felix Jr.” causing its Out of Order sign to slip revealing “Sugar Rush” and Vanellope’s picture on it from afar in the arcade motivating Ralph to set things right and question Sour Bill on why Vanellope was said by Turbo/King Candy to be a glitch not supposed to be in Sugar Rush when the sign on the arcade game proves otherwise that she is actually an official character in the game.

After that the medal basically disappears and never appears again for the remainder of the movie, what happened to it? The Cy-Bugs and Turbo’s fates are explained by them being killed by the Diet Coke Mountain when it erupted but what about the medal itself?

I believe that one of the NiceLanders either took it in as a possession or put it in the Lost and Found box at Tapper’s or Calhoun retrieved it and returned it to “Hero’s Duty”

We likewise in the Zootopia movies (Also made by Disney like Wreck-It-Ralph.) we never find out whether or not the night howlers were banned from the City after Bellwether used them in the savage predator crisis.
We also never find out what happened to the weather wall journal, it was last seen in the weather wall control room after PawBert makes his betrayal and then it disappears even before the ZPD cops enter it. I am pretty sure that it was kept in the evidence room of the ZPD for a while before being put in a museum like the Natural History Museum.

The last we see of the medal of heroes is Ralph discarding it by pulling it off his neck and throwing it at the screen of “Fix-It-Felix Jr.” causing its Out of Order sign to slip revealing “Sugar Rush” and Vanellope’s picture on it from afar in the arcade motivating Ralph to set things right and question Sour Bill on why Vanellope was said by Turbo/King Candy to be a glitch not supposed to be in Sugar Rush when the sign on the arcade game proves otherwise that she is actually an official character in the game.

After that the medal basically disappears and never appears again for the remainder of the movie, what happened to it? The Cy-Bugs and Turbo’s fates are explained by them being killed by the Diet Coke Mountain when it erupted but what about the medal itself?

I believe that one of the NiceLanders either took it in as a possession or put it in the Lost and Found box at Tapper’s or Calhoun retrieved it and returned it to “Hero’s Duty”

We likewise in the Zootopia movies (Also made by Disney like Wreck-It-Ralph.) we never find out whether or not the night howlers were banned from the City after Bellwether used them in the savage predator crisis.
We also never find out what happened to the weather wall journal, it was last seen in the weather wall control room after PawBert makes his betrayal and then it disappears even before the ZPD cops enter it. I am pretty sure that it was kept in the evidence room of the ZPD for a while before being put in a museum like the Natural History Museum.

The first eleven movies produced by Pixar from 1995 to 2010, in the Pixar Golden Age (The first three Toy Story movies, Monsters’ Inc., Finding Nemo, The Incredibles, Cars, Ratatouille, Wall-E, Up and A Bug’s Life) are to this date considered the most notsgalic and most critically acclaimed movies in Pixar’s library all of whom won the award for the Best Animated Feature, (Except Cars and A Bug’s Life) for having the most creativity, best writing and character development, emotional depth and realism. They even beat the latest movies in the Disney Renaissance after “The Lion King” and all the movies in the Disney Experimental Era in terms of quality.

The movies in the next two eras of Pixar’s history like in the Experimental Era from 2011 to 2019 and Revival Era from 2020 to the future some of whom included sequels to the films made in the Golden Age like Toy Story 4 and Toy Story 5, Cars 2, Cars 3, Monsters’ University, Finding Dory and The Incredibles 2 but also original movies like Brave, Inside Out, Inside Out 2, Coco, Soul, Onward, Elio, Turning Red, Elemental, Luca and The Good Dinosaur did have their fans and some acclaim and awards for the Best Animated Feature but they were not considered as universally good or worldwide acclaimed as the Pixar movies made during the Golden Age, and were also often beaten by several movies made during the Disney Revival Era happening around the same time like “Wreck-It-Ralph”, “Frozen”, “Big Hero 6,” “Zootopia”, “Zootopia 2”; “Encanto” and “The Princess and the Frog”

The Even Better Sequel thing also only applies to the first two Toy Story sequels and Cars 3 the First Installment Wins meanwhile also goes for all the other Pixar movies with sequels and a prequel, even Monsters’ University to Monsters’ Inc. unless you have your own opinion.

So far, I have checked and found that there isn’t any cut content or deleted scenes for Zootopia 2 that confirm that PawBert was originally going to be permantely a hero and never turn against Gary and become evil like his family as if the writers wanted to make him a twist villain right from the start, as if Disney will never know when to quit using twist villains. I would have loved it if Disney did actually originally plan to make PawBert and Gary friends from the beginning with the former never turning evil and latter never turning against him out of morality. PawBert and Gary would have perfectly represented how the most unlikely of friends, a Lynxley and member of the De’ Snake family can become the best of partners to convince Nick and Judy to do the same thing with their own partnership.

However, I did presume that in the earliest drafts for Zootopia 2, Nick was originally going to be the one who went with Gary and PawBert after being seperated from Judy at the HoneyMoon Lodge while Judy was the one who was arrested and sent to prison before escaping with Nibbles and tracking down Nick with Fru Fru’s help. It would have allowed Nick to show how much he truly cared about heroics by finishing the Conspiracy as Judy would have wanted and resolve his Reptile aversion by befriending Gary and revealing his motive for it. Judy also would have redeemed herself for acting so inconsiderate of Nick until then by saving him from death by fighting PawBert. Nick and Judy still would have went on their character developments (Redemption arc in Nick’s case) from the final version of the film but in a completely different way.

However, similar to the role reversal change in Pixar’s Wall-E (2008) with Wall-E and EVE in regards to the one getting injured by Auto and the other one having to save the other in the garbage airlock scene, the writers not long after writing the first draft for the movie but not at the last minute realized that the scenario would work a whole lot better if Judy went with PawBert and Gary and was betrayed by Gary at the weather wall by PawBert and Nick was the one arrested by the police and had to break out and find and rescue Judy with Nibbles, Flash and Clawhauser’s help because it would have been more emotional and significant for Judy to enter a near-death experience with Nick having to save her since Judy already saved Nick’s life and did a lot of good favors for him in the past and now was Nick’s chance to return the favor by saving Judy’s life and risking everything to do so as it would have showed how much Nick truly cared Judy after occasionally treating it like he didn’t really do so in the first movie and now was the big moment to actually do so while also causing Judy alongside a pep talk from Gary to more properly bring her character development full circle where she learns to get over her obsession with doing heroics to fix her greatest failure from the first movie that almost let Bellwether win and accept the reality of life and that the world was never meant to life entirely on her paws as everyone has a role to play in it, and there are often villains who win at the end and those with realistic or nasty attitudes but they could actually be nice and have hidden hearts of gold in reality. (The same already happened more properly with Nick for his own redemption arc while in prison with Nibbles and after escaping to rescue Judy.)

Also, it would have showed how Nick had chosen to redeem himself for his past mistakes rather than despair and accept death over them much Beast/Prince Adam in “Beauty and the Beast” and Elsa in “Frozen” (His fight with PawBert was also a reversal of the fights between Beast and Gaston and Elsa nearly being slain by Hans after lying about Anna’s death.) in terms of how despite PawBert lying to him about killing Judy, which Nick likely believes according to dialogue said to him in his reunion with Judy actually persisted and fought back against PawBert to defeat him and disarm him of his venom injector and find Gary and finish solving the conspiracy as Judy would have wanted and mourn her and change his ways for good once he is done until Gary gives Nick the shot at saving Judy with the anti-venom pen which he takes relcuantly nearly sacrificing himself to do that and kill PawBert until Judy after she is cured and Gary himself both manage to narrowly save Nick while PawBert survived his fall out of sheer luck before his eventual defeat and arrest alongside the rest of his family in prison.

Also the troupe with a Disney male anti-hero entering a near-death experience heroic sacrifice or not with death itself was already used for Beast/Prince Adam in “Beauty and the Beast” and Flynn Rider in “Tangled” as well as for Chief Bogo himself at the start of “Zootopia 2” when getting fanged by Gary accidentally and it would have been better if Nick himself nearly sacrificed himself in a non-unconscious way before being saved just in time to commit a heroic act to make up for his mistakes much like Ralph did while fighting Turbo/King Candy in Cy-Bug form in the climax of “Wreck-It-Ralph”

Nibbles was also the better choice for mentoring Nick to have him relook his cynical and emotionally disconnected outlook on life and change his ways for Judy’s sake as someone who approaches it by treating him like a misguided loner and not bad guy for it unlike Judy herself same for Gary towards Judy as a reflection of her typical naive, innocent and optimistic self to change that reflection to treat anti-heroes or realists like Nick and Chief Bogo and so on with more fairness. That also still helped bring circle the true moral over accepting others for their differences rather than force them to be the same.

This change all in all was used in all the future scripts for Zootopia 2 before the Final Cut as depicted in the other deleted scenes for the movies that are set in them.

While the second season of The Bad Guys: The Series ended with the love meteor about to make a crash course to Earth perfectly setting the stage for the first Bad Guys movie, I honestly believe that this series one or two more final seasons. The third and fourth seasons (Titled, Tales of the Bad Girls) would shift the narrative away from the titular Bad Guys for nearly all the episodes of each season (Expect for six, one of whom focuses on how Chief Misty Luggins and The Bad Guys Met and began their feud.) and instead focus on Diane Foxington a.k.a. The Crimson Paw and Kitty Kat, Doom and Pigtail, a.k.a. The Bad Girls while also revealing that Diane was actually a former member of The Bad Girls and a younger sister-like friend to Kitty. The episodes of the series focus on the origins of The Bad Girls, how they met, their origins and them going in numerous heists together in Los Angeles and beyond while also focusing on their relationships with each other, like Diane and Kitty’s dynamic and the series of events that would lead to Diane Foxington’s redemption (Starting after she and The Bad Girls go undercover as babysitters babysitting a bunch of animal kids for a heist that Diane and Doom turned out not to have the hearts to betray.) and her becoming the governor of California, while also relcuantly betraying Kitty Kat, Doom and Pigtail when they refuse to reform themselves, (It is detailed in that episode focusing on The Bad Girls pulling off a museum heist to steal the golden dolphin but Diane has her redemption and she calls off the heist and when failing to convince her teammates to reconsider, she has them all arrested and sent to a prison that they later escape from while she manages to get away, return the stuff that they stole and became a governor.) making it their main villain motive in the second movie to have revenge on Diane for her betrayal by ruining the lives of her and her new friends, The Bad Guys especially Mr. Wolf her love interest by exposing Diane’s identity as the Crimson Paw and setting her new friends up to look like dangerous criminals again to get them all arrested and sent to prison and seperated from each other to show her what their pain felt like after she betrayed them. It also details how Kitty Kat slowly got corrupted by power and a few episodes used concepts that never made it into The Bad Guys 2 in terms of one episode focusing on Diane and Kitty going on an adventure into space to rescue Doom and Pigtail from an alien villain. Doom also managed to catch the security footage of Diane as unmasked as the Crimson Paw trying to steal the golden dolphin the moment she makes her betrayal that she tried to post as revenge but her arrest stopped it but she and Kitty and Pigtail managed to hold onto the footage later used in the second movie.

For the six episodes that don’t focus on The Bad Girls, the in addition to focusing on The Bad Guys, also focus on Professor Marmalade and his villain origins and how he was an shapeshifter alien from outer space who traveled to Earth to get re-accepted into his home planet after being exiled from it for an unknown reason and he killed and impostered the real Marmalade with his shapeshifting abilities and soon decided to use the love meteor which landed on Earth around the same time he first arrived and the Bad Guys for his forthcoming evil plans. They also focus on Kitty and Marmalade crossing paths a few times and deciding to work together for their respective evil plans with Marmalade giving Kitty the idea of stealing all the world’s gold to become its self proclaimed ruler. They continued their occasional partnership even into the second movie before Kitty’s arrest and Marmalade’s return to his home planet. The other six non-Bad Girls centered episodes also focus more on the Bad Guys’ origins and pasts.

It has five Doomed by Canon/Saved by Canon rules like:

1. Diane can’t expose her identity as the Crimson Paw to the police in the series it is never done until the second movie canonically.

2. The Bad Girls and Bad Guys can’t cross paths or interact with each other in the series although they almost do so in one or two episodes that gets interpreted and halted the main conflict or villain since they don’t canonically met each other until the first two movies.

3. Marmalade and Kitty must keep their partnership a secret and never reveal it to Diane to keep Marmalade’s villain role a secret until it is revealed to her in the first two movies.

Diane and Kitty’s Friendship isn’t meant to be genuine or will last forever it will become permantely strained in the series finale.
Diane will eventually end her crime business and cut ties with her teammates (Temporarily in Doom and Pigtail’s cases until the second movie.) to become the governor that she is in the first movie.

The Season One episode of Pingu, “Pingu’s Dream” that focused on Pingu having a dream received a mixed to negative reception from audiences due to the giant walrus from the episode being too frightening for younger audiences and the episode itself feeling like a torture episode for Pingu resulting in it getting banned from many broadcasts.

The Season 4 episode, “Pingu in Paradise” which focused on Pingu having a dream of him being in a magical paradise was considered a significant improvement from “Pingu’s Dream” and was much better reviewed for having more light-heartedness.

While the second season of The Bad Guys: The Series ended with the love meteor about to make a crash course to Earth perfectly setting the stage for the first Bad Guys movie, I honestly believe that this series one or two more final seasons. The third and fourth seasons (Titled, Tales of the Bad Girls) would shift the narrative away from the titular Bad Guys for nearly all the episodes of each season (Expect for six, one of whom focuses on how Chief Misty Luggins and The Bad Guys Met and began their feud.) and instead focus on Diane Foxington a.k.a. The Crimson Paw and Kitty Kat, Doom and Pigtail, a.k.a. The Bad Girls while also revealing that Diane was actually a former member of The Bad Girls and a younger sister-like friend to Kitty. The episodes of the series focus on the origins of The Bad Girls, how they met, their origins and them going in numerous heists together in Los Angeles and beyond while also focusing on their relationships with each other, like Diane and Kitty’s dynamic and the series of events that would lead to Diane Foxington’s redemption (Starting after she and The Bad Girls go undercover as babysitters babysitting a bunch of animal kids for a heist that Diane and Doom turned out not to have the hearts to betray.) and her becoming the governor of California, while also relcuantly betraying Kitty Kat, Doom and Pigtail when they refuse to reform themselves, (It is detailed in that episode focusing on The Bad Girls pulling off a museum heist to steal the golden dolphin but Diane has her redemption and she calls off the heist and when failing to convince her teammates to reconsider, she has them all arrested and sent to a prison that they later escape from while she manages to get away, return the stuff that they stole and became a governor.) making it their main villain motive in the second movie to have revenge on Diane for her betrayal by ruining the lives of her and her new friends, The Bad Guys especially Mr. Wolf her love interest by exposing Diane’s identity as the Crimson Paw and setting her new friends up to look like dangerous criminals again to get them all arrested and sent to prison and seperated from each other to show her what their pain felt like after she betrayed them. It also details how Kitty Kat slowly got corrupted by power and a few episodes used concepts that never made it into The Bad Guys 2 in terms of one episode focusing on Diane and Kitty going on an adventure into space to rescue Doom and Pigtail from an alien villain. Doom also managed to catch the security footage of Diane as unmasked as the Crimson Paw trying to steal the golden dolphin the moment she makes her betrayal that she tried to post as revenge but her arrest stopped it but she and Kitty and Pigtail managed to hold onto the footage later used in the second movie.

For the six episodes that don’t focus on The Bad Girls, the in addition to focusing on The Bad Guys, also focus on Professor Marmalade and his villain origins and how he was an shapeshifter alien from outer space who traveled to Earth to get re-accepted into his home planet after being exiled from it for an unknown reason and he killed and impostered the real Marmalade with his shapeshifting abilities and soon decided to use the love meteor which landed on Earth around the same time he first arrived and the Bad Guys for his forthcoming evil plans. They also focus on Kitty and Marmalade crossing paths a few times and deciding to work together for their respective evil plans with Marmalade giving Kitty the idea of stealing all the world’s gold to become its self proclaimed ruler. They continued their occasional partnership even into the second movie before Kitty’s arrest and Marmalade’s return to his home planet. The other six non-Bad Girls centered episodes also focus more on the Bad Guys’ origins and pasts.

It has five Doomed by Canon/Saved by Canon rules like:

1. Diane can’t expose her identity as the Crimson Paw to the police in the series it is never done until the second movie canonically.

2. The Bad Girls and Bad Guys can’t cross paths or interact with each other in the series although they almost do so in one or two episodes that gets interpreted and halted the main conflict or villain since they don’t canonically met each other until the first two movies.

3. Marmalade and Kitty must keep their partnership a secret and never reveal it to Diane to keep Marmalade’s villain role a secret until it is revealed to her in the first two movies.

Diane and Kitty’s Friendship isn’t meant to be genuine or will last forever it will become permantely strained in the series finale.
Diane will eventually end her crime business and cut ties with her teammates (Temporarily in Doom and Pigtail’s cases until the second movie.) to become the governor that she is in the first movie.

Note: This does not define the police for the first Bad Guys movie and Zootopia movie although they were pretty much incompetent anyway in terms of how they fail to figure out Professor Marmalade’s crimes or the Missing Mammal Cases or the night howlers making the predators savage without Nick and Judy’s intervention.

Four Pros about the police in The Bad Guys 2: (Also showing DreamWorks Animation’s excellent writing.)

1. Commissioner Misty Luggins was not revoking the criminal records of The Bad Guys despite their heroics in stopping Marmalade who was framed as the Crimson Paw to get him arrested for his crimes that were never figured out was realistic since criminals especially ones who committed a lot of heists or burglaries and just served their prison sentence are left off the hook that easily in real life. It also set off Wolf and the Bad Guys’ main motive in

2. The main villain, Kitty Kat was able to take advantage of the police force and not manipulate it in terms of framing The Bad Guys on some robberies to get their help in her newest heist with believable proof behind it leaving very little obvious proof that showed that she was the true thief.

3. The police barely do anything antagonistic towards the protagonists, or obliviously evil other than doing their jobs as cops and chasing The Bad Guys after they are framed with the recent robbery pulled off by The Bad Girls, they just did their jobs as cops without committing any police brutality and Kitty Kat and Doom and Pigtail more so caused the conflict of the movie and caused crimes and antagonism in terms of blackmailing The Bad Guys into their latest heist and so on. Assaulting Luggins in Wolf’s case out of self-defense also gave them a better reason to see why The Bad Guys might be acting bad again.

4. The characters actually have personalities and are not just treated as hate sink plot devices in terms of how Luggins although she does treat The Bad Guys like dirt at first regardless of their redemptions even after they get set up and framed by The Bad Girls, at first considers having the police arrest Diane once her identity as the Crimson Paw was exposed despite her good role as a Governor she played until then or figuring out Marmalade’s true crimes and letting the alien or Guinea pig off Scot-free for them unintentionally, she does eventually accept redemption not long after she arrests The Bad Guys after being set up by the Bad Girls in terms of listening to Wolf when he confirms Kitty Kat, a.k.a. The Phantom Bandit being the true mastermind behind everything and this combined with the apology note left by Wolf leads to her agreeing to let The Bad Guys do their part in stopping The Bad Girls and their heist catch them and rescue Diane but on the condition that they agree to go to prison once they are done. Also, Luggins has a change of heart during the climax and after everything is settled and Kitty Kat, Doom and Pigtail are arrested for their crimes she gives Diane and The Bad Guys the opportunity to fake their deaths and go into hiding to start their lives over as secret agents at ISGLOP rather than go back to prison to waste their lives away in which they oblige. While Luggins never does apologize to The Bad Guys and Diane offscreen with words, she does so with actions just as they also did during their own redemptions.

Six Cons about the police in Zootopia 2: (Also showing Walt Disney Animation Studios’ poorer writing)

1. First off, while it would make sense for Chief Bogo to get angry over the collateral damage committed by Nick and Judy while they race to stop Antony Snootley and arrest him, and for disobeying his direct order to stand down, he dramatically misses the point that he was the one who started it all unintentionally with his radio call that blows Nick and Judy’s cover just as they come close to arresting the anteater and the fox and bunny never intended for all that damage to be caused it was accidental, more so caused by Antony and Nick and Judy never actually tore up half the city like Bogo said, just made two messes without endangering that many citizens.

2. The main villain, Milton Lynxley basically manipulated the police into becoming his personal army even after he framed Nick and Judy on the fanging of Chief Bogo and tricking them into looking evil and dangerous although they literally just solved a huge Conspiracy that benefited the city and never actually looked or acted that way in reality but more so look like they have been set up for a crime by either Gary or the Lynxleys and HogBottom doesn’t even consider leading a proper crime investigation on Bogo’s fanging even before Milton and Cattrick frame them on it, and the cops commit police brutality and reckless endangerment while chasing Nick and Judy making it seem like they were actually trying to kill them on the Lynxleys’ orders till HogBottom and the police come to their senses after Milton orders them to use lethal force on Judy, PawBert and Gary.

3. Bogo, HogBottom and the other cops also come off as hypocritical (Not in a funny way, a mean-spirited way.) in terms of how they complain to and accuse Nick and Judy for, having no respect, being dysfunctional, believing in the existence of imaginary reptiles, (Gary) and acting as cowboy cops when they do the exact same things in a more so nasty way since they have no Freudian excuse for their actions like Nick and Judy in terms of using protocols no cops should use while chasing Nick and Judy, and Chief Bogo guarding the Lynxley Journal from a potential theft from a De’ Snake family member at the gala and so on.

4. The characters come off more as hate sink and ruthless plot devices and villain henchmen than real characters and cops much like Dawn Bellwether from the first Zootopia movie and Bogo himself since while chasing Nick and Judy they commit protocols and police brutality no cops should use in real life like Bogo assaulting his own employee, Nick in front of everyone at the Zootennial Gala, and threatening to give him a “traumatic adulthood” beforehand, the Zebros pushing Gazelle’s tigers at the gala, Higgins and Bloats making a huge mess and endangering citizens in Marsh Market and trying to bite Nick and Judy to apprehend them and eating apples (That they probably paid for), Officers Chevre and Bucheron downright assaulting Nick and Judy, at the HoneyMoon Lodge and Bucheron trying to kill Judy by tranquilizing her and having her fall to her death, before PawBert saves her, and HogBottom for nearly using a poison dart on Judy before deciding not to before Higgins bumps into her and accidentally caused her to fire it anyway which could have hit or killed someone. Even Luggins and the human police would know better than to do all this.

5. They are also more incompetent and dumb than the police in The Bad Guys movies in terms of how HogBottom and Truffler quickly fall for Milton and Cattrick’s lies to frame Nick and Judy without leading a proper crime investigation on Bogo’s fanging, the police of the past cause confusing reptile discrimination in terms of how they have all reptiles outcast from the titular city instead of just snakes for a fanging Ebenezer Lynxley (Despite him also doing an excellent job at framing Agnes and almost all snakes of the future like Kitty Kat did with The Bad Guys.) framed Agnes De’ Snake on a tortoise maid a reptile herself and it only made snakes look dangerous to citizens (I am talking to you Mr. Snake!) and not all reptiles in general since some like iguanas and turtles/tortoises themselves may not be so bad in reality. HogBottom rejects redemption from Nick when she had the chance indirectly causing Nick and Nibbles to escape from prison the hard way that involving releasing all its prisoners a complete reversal of Chief Misty Luggins’ arc in the second Bad Guys movie, and Higgins and Bloats and Chevre and Bucheron quickly accuse Gary for trying to kill and assault Judy, and assault him and try to arrest him for it without seeing PawBert as the true guilty one through him trying to inject Nick with snake venom and kill him and figure out that PawBert did the same with Judy and anti-venom was the only shot at saving her which almost got Nick and Judy killed!!!

6. Overall, their actions make come off as the secondary antagonists of Zootopia 2 instead of lawfully neutral characters like the police of The Bad Guys 2, and once the Lynxleys are exposed and arrested and Nick and Judy’s names are cleared, they disregard all the bad things Bogo, HogBottom and those other cops did to them listed above and refuse to rightfully punish them for it, but rather quickly forgive them for it and reward them for it by allowing them to take part in the future celebrations basically letting them get away with all the bad things and mistakes they made with no comeuppance or mistakes for them whatsoever (Other than them all landing in mandatory therapy with Dr. Fuzzby, getting a taste of their own medicine for how they mistreated Nick and Judy and the hippos getting concussions from Judy while the zebras get beaten by Gazelle and her tigers.) while these characters likewise never show any remorse over their actions expect in HogBottom’s case or apologize and make amends for them, Zootopia 2 ends with the villains losing but the bullies get away with everything, unlike The Bad Guys 2 ends with the villains losing and the bullies better so making amends. Even Cattrick and Kitty are given the harsher punishment of being sent to the same prison as their father Milton and brother PawBert when they committed far less as bad crimes as they did. Pigtail and Doom’s arrests alongside Kitty Kat’s more so make sense.

Zootopia 2 would have had a better ending if Nick and Judy accidentally got angry at, admonished and cut ties with HogBottom, Bogo and those other cops for their mistakes for good and give them punishment for it in terms of being fired from the ZPD and arrested (Except for Bogo, Truffler and the Zebros) and given prison or community service for their police brutality or parking duty demotion probation and beaten up by Mayor Winddancer and Gazelle and her tigers just as they did with the Zebros and Lynxleys (Minus PawBert) and Kitty and Cattrick were given a softer punishment of house arrest and community service while Milton and PawBert are both sent to prison.

During the scene where after PawBert makes his betrayal, and injects Judy with the snake venom, the first thing Gary does is try to fang PawBert most likely to kill him but relcuantly, was Gary really gonna kill PawBert? Gary is typically a nice and sweet snake who would never have the heart to kill his enemies, and only fanged Chief Bogo by complete accident.

I disagree, because even if Gary did kill PawBert and clear up his death to Nick and Nibbles when they arrive with the Venom injectors as evidence after he cures Judy, they would be unable to clear it up to the police, who would assume that Gary is a murderer and want to arrest him more than ever.

I am pretty sure that PawBert thought Gary was trying to kill him due to how he reacted to this and left him out in the snow to die now feeling more determinded to impress his father than ever.

I am pretty sure that Gary in reality was just going to paralyze PawBert with his venom to allow him to cure Judy with the anti-venom and tie PawBert up with the ropes he brought and then cure him with the anti-venom and after explaining the situation to Nick and Nibbles would keep him as their prisoner until they solve the Lynxley Conspiracy or turn him over to the cops who Storm the weather wall with his venom injectors as evidence for his attempted murderers whichever comes last. Gary was prepared for that moment in case PawBert were revealed to be evil like his family, he and Nick and Judy and Nibbles even use those ropes to tie him up after defeating him in the climax.

Judy likewise gave Higgins and Bloats concussions to render them unconscious while Gary did the same with Officers Chevre and Bucheron before they rushed to save Nick from falling to his death to have them locked in the weather wall control room and rendered no longer a threat till their names are cleared.

While he was fighting PawBert later on, Nick did choose to kill him to end his threat also in a reluctant way since he had no other way in defeating him other than using the venom injector since PawBert dropped it in their fight even after he delivers the anti-venom pen to Gary for him to use to cure Judy with first by kicking him down the cliff to his death (And clear up his death once the conspiracy is solved.) and later by sacrificing himself to deliver the pen to Gary and causing the ice ledge to break causing them both to fall to their deaths though Nick faces it more so with dignity until Judy and Gary both narrowly save Nick while PawBert falls the rest of the way down and ends up surviving his fall since it was no so fatal after all but with cracked ribs and knocked out teeth.