u/RaidenBMei

Yes she's hard to kill but personally that's not enough for me. I know this post gunna trigger ppl but I trigger ppl no matter what post i make so

When i play support I don't play it like most ppl. I dont look at the person diving me much at all. Maybe ill spot them before they engage to prepare but once you go in, I'll literally ignore you. I feel alot of supports make this mistake of, i have to look at this person beating up on me. And thats exactly why you get bodied by BC. She's a lingering diver. She's probably not gunna burst you as fast as BP.

But she can stay longer than he can. So even if she doesn't get a pick on her initial attack, she lingers. This is something i talk about alot and ill keep doing it.

You can die as a support without actually dying. If you look at the person diving you, its a 5v5. Your attention for theirs. If you ignore them it's a 6v5. If 3 ppl look at Black Cat, and don't kill her, its a 5v3. And because she lingers and is impossible to kill, that 5v3 is gunna be pretty common.

When I play Black Cat and the supports look at me, gg we won. I could get zero finals and win. If i play Black Cat and the supports don't look my direction I know this game is gunna be very difficult to win.

I dont look at the person diving me at all. Ill use whatever self peel options I got. And if I need heals I'll literally stand right in front of my

Other supports face. This way she doesn't have to turn around and make it a 5v4. (Blackcat and both supports).

Here's my support flowchart. Im all the way in the back. I get dived because im isolated. I use self peel tools to ignore them whilst still healing my team. Once said self peel tools are used up I stand in front of my other support face so they literally can't miss me. And depending on what character they use, they can heal me (the person who stood in front of their face), and my teammates simultaneously keeping it a 6v5 in favor of my team.

If they have multiple divers this changes obviously. I dont even ping divers. Because I want that diver to know they dont matter. Im not pinging you. Im not looking at you. My goal is to keep it a 6v5. If i give you attention its a 5v5. And because im a support, you get value from that trade.

And before anybody asks, no I don't feed. In fact, I die less than anybody in the entire lobby frequently and by a large margin. I had a game on support where my other support didn't acknowledge i existed and i was being hunted by a Thor 24/7. I died 8 times my other supports died 17. Mind you im being harassed 24/7. And still massively outhealed entire lobby while simultaneously dying far less.

But im also not your average support. I've been crying about dive being strong since season 1. So it kinda just made me battle hardened. I don't ban any diver in this game because I personally think every diver but DD is trash af. I think BP is terrible, I think Spiderman is terrible, I think Magik is terrible, I think BC is OK, I think DD is good, I think Iron fist is terrible.. Thats just me though. It takes 3-4 divers for me to ask for help. Maybe im just that good at support. Or maybe ppl play wrong.

I am very very good with this character. I will be telling you the most important things to know in my honest opinion.

1. The bubble is for preventing low hp bars, or helping ppl keep space

You shouldn't be in a scenario where your bubble is healing low hp targets. Rather you want to prevent it. If my tank is full hp, and I know ill be safe for a bit I'll throw a bubble at their location. In front of them slightly if we are pushing, at their feet or behind them so they step into if retreating. That's very very important. Why do i bubble full hp tanks?

Because they can hold that space. They won't get walked down because of a damage trade gap. Two to three supports healing a tank with a bubble at their feet they are not out damaging that. Plus you'll get good ult charge because it'll be stealing ult charge from your other supports by maintaining full hp. If the target is low, its either supports game. If the target is full, her bubble will get most of the ult charge her way.

2. Stop fighting ppl all the time.

If I have my bubble, and im being attacked. I'll straight up ignore you. Ill bubble the floor, and keep healing everyone else. Divers can still get value if they make you stop healing. Thats essentially "killing you." Because heals aren't going their way because you're 1v1'ing a diver or doing dmg just because you know you can win.

Im not saying you can't fight them or never. I'm just saying you can die without actually dying by proxy of you having a 1v1 with the diver. If you are being attacked, I genuinely think its optimal to ignore them unless unavoidable.

3. Your fade should be used early not late.

Alot of CnDs think its a good last ditch option but it's not. The key to surviving as a support, is to stop getting low. Reacting instead acting is bad. Aka noticing the diver beforehand and fading to high ground at the perfect moment.

Let's say im against a... Rogue. Im low ground. I do 1 of 2 options. Fade to a high ground very early, or bubble the floor ignore her. Let's pretend like im following through with option A. I notice her going in, I fade to high ground.

I heal from up top. She maybe follows.

I bubble the floor and ignore her and keep healing.

Bubble ends

I drop down in front of my other supports face and smack her with heals. (To force her to look at me, and cnd heals herself by aoe if she heals somebody up close)

And I didn't even mention the teammup.

So i stayed alive, and gave her as little as my attention as possible. Essentially, they had a 5v6. Because the diver in question did absolutely nothing and got none of my attention.

4. Everything is better preemptively

The healing squares, the bubble, the fade... Its because her healing is not powerful. Its just consistent like Rocket. Invis is genuinely a strong healer. So if your waiting until bars drop too low to use important things, that's really bad. She doesn't have strong heals. Its tiny heals that are repetitive. You should be spamming full hp targets. Because if the hp bars get low, you are not healing enough to prevent death. Even the fade is better early because if you are 1 hp and they track you, you're just dead.

This isnt even a cnd thing. Supports in general. Stop reacting. You probably dont have good reflexes. Not everybody does. So spot the danger before it happens.

5. Dont let the luna teammup make you have bad mistakes. I go an entire game without using it. Because I don't even die. And In situations where i could be selfish i patty cake. Which makes the hood teammup better for me personally.

6. Iron man counter

Two dashes forward two dashes backward. It'll break his ankles. A good IM isn't gunna wait out the last dash. They expecting to erase you from existence on the 2nd or 3rd. You have 2 options.

Dash forward once, and dash backward.

Or dash forward twice and dash backward. I've done this to plenty of IM. Does it nerf your CnD ult? Yea. But you'll be alive.

You could also try going aerial this can work if the IM shoots early. Ig see if he's a waiter first by doing my ankle break first.

7. Ult your teammates

When you pop ult plz go over low ppl. Its not a giant circle activation. If i see my other support low behind me I will waste one dash on you.

8. 4 dashes forward or cover objective?

It depends. If they match, I abandon the dash deep into them and just cover as much objective as I can. If they dont match dash 4 times into their backline. Preferably to where you think they wanna retreat to. This causes significant pressure on their supports as opposed to covering objective. Like the pressure can legit go from "oh we dont need to match." To "i gotta ult now."

If they have displacement maybe don't do this though. Like Angela, Bucky.

So i have made a post on Mag bias. And like always I was right. I was was watching Kingsman other day and he said something like, mag being meta always feels good, type 1 in chat if you love mag being meta. Something along those lines. Everybody was saying 1. I was only person who didn't.

Okay. But if Elsa, BC, Emma are meta, constant complaining. Emma isn't complained about now, but because she slams ppl into a wall ppl perma banned her for seasons (might also be because female). I know her perma ban era is over.

Kingsman also said mag has always been meta. Which is funny because anytime I say that, ppl disagree with it. Funny how that works huh?

Mag has been the best tank since season 0. Every single season. Venom in season 9 was the only person to dethrone him tbh. Emma was not stronger than Mag on release. She was a bully. And that gets more noise. Ppl just looked at it from a simple perspective of "i can't fight her", okay boo you're not supposed to.

I am tired of mag getting away with being meta since season 0. And never getting a banned. Why because we love Chad male characters. Even PUNISHER ISN'T GETTING BANNED ENOUGH LOL. Anyway because mag falls under enabler he's allowed to be the most op character perma.

Yea no. His ult counters Every support ult, his ult counters every single projectile ult, I've seen it counter bucky ult by absorbing the shots to deny the reset. Or he can just ult for guaranteed space. Absorb shots for your team, walk forward, dunk on a support. He doesn't even have to save ult for a support. He can also enable bad players by bubbling them. So In a way he's unhealthy for the game.

Starting yesterday im perma banning mag. I banned him 6 games straight and I had a blast. Support was fun. But also the game was fun because I had character variety for once.... In the tank role.

Wanna also know why you should ban mag? You are limiting enemy team flex potential. Everybody knows how to play this guy. So by banning him, less ppl have viable tank options. If a dps doing bad he can't just swap to Mag. Anyway im banning mag even if you pre select him. Im over this.

Mag can be meta for 9 seasons but BC cant be meta at any point for yall. Yea nah. Take these mag bans. And if anybody say im bad i peak higher than most ppl reading at c1 :) and thats not even my skill limit as I've been in full oaa lobbies and did the best in those lobbies. So even if you peak higher doesn't mean anything because of what i just said so HA

Already said this before but im only interested in Eldreda. Not even just for the outfit being goonery, I wasn't a big fan of the og Sunbringer's face. Anyway, alot of ppl do prefer it. I saw the reactions to posts about it. So she actually has backing, which is fine. But if Eldreda isn't the real Sunbringer on top of like not being liked as much as the og, there's a possibility that Eldreda will be the one not playable.

I mean, its a weird situation. Og look came first. Ppl fell in love with that, then Eldreda comes. They fear Eldreda being playable instead. Especially since she didn't come first so fans of the og may think their side has more.. uhh rights? To being the playable design. But I didn't care about the og one remotely and Eldreda just so happens to be my favorite character in the game despite not caring about originals appearance.

Its a pretty huge jump to me at least to go from "idc." To "favorite character." So if she ends up not being playable because she didn't come first or her side has less ima feel some way.

All in all really weird situation. And depending on what they do, ill either pull her or not. But im always attracted to controversial characters, so I might just bow out to save myself from getting mad if it doesn't go my way. Kinda like a cope mechanism where I just preemptively not care about the character to save myself from being disappointed. But you also created a badass fight with Remielle as Eldreda. So would be weird if not playable.

But even if both are playable, (or all 4?) Dunno how long it would take to release them within each other. Maybe a free skin for og or Eldreda or something idk.

Its unfortunate for other side too if Eldreda playable one. So I might have to bow out but I don't want to

If Luna is op as ppl say, then why she isn't a ban? Hm?

Ive never seen Luna Snow ban since... What season 0 and 1?

Its not that she isn't a ban. Its that she's not even a consideration. That means, banning her is a wtf??

Which in turn means, maybe just maybe, Luna is not anywhere near broken. Dont pull that whole, "just because other characters are more a problem doesn't mean she isn't."

??? Which is why i said she's not a ban CONSIDERATION. MEANING SHES NOWHERE NEAR THE BEST CHARACTERS.

Banning Luna has about as much value as Banning Wanda. I legit think Wanda probably would get banned more than she does.

Luna bias is just so silly because what comes out of their mouth doesn't match their actions. Oh shes a problem? Ban ber. Oh no, ill do you one better, imagine yourself Banning Luna. You don't even have to actually do it. If you just think about doing it, Im sold. Oh that's right. Banning Luna hasn't ever came to your mind. Let alone going through with it.

Yes shes their favorite character. She gets all the skins. Its no longer an assumption. Its fact. Who cares. Get over it. Im too smart I know what the actual issue is.

You don't think Luna is op, you have never thought she was op since early rivals, you hate their favoritism, you would never consider Banning Luna in your life, you are just vocal about anything you think is a problem because you are jealous your favorite character doesn't get the same. It's not a theory or an assumption. She hasn't been op since early rivals, she is their favorite move on.

I have never been with this luna is op agenda. Already know ima get downvoted, I get downvoted no matter what post I make here. So im not gunna sugar coat it. You're jealous. Move on. Its that simple. Any discussion about her being op if nullified with her not even being in your top 20 ban considerations. And I won't be entertaining anything that says shes op. Your own actions betray your argument.

And I actually dont use luna anymore. (120 hours tho) But even still idc. See how that works?

(Not targeting Luna mains. Im just pasting it here. As for why i don't crosspost its a possibility post might get deleted lol)

I dont think I've ever had a top favorite character that wasn't controversial. Admittedly, I only cared about Sunbringer until I saw Eldreda's hot design. That's just how I am, I prefer the hotter design always. If this were genshin maybe but I see zzz as a gooner game ngl. So I just dont think her standard teased attire fits whatsoever. I have Nikke on my phone, this game may not be as extreme as that, but it's still far more extreme than Genshin and HSR. Its in-between Nikke and HSR but swings closer to nikke. Yes this game has great story and characters but it is still a gooner game. Not really an insult as Nikke story phenomenal. I dont wanna see a big jacket 😭

Anyway, its just weird because I don't want her playable Eldreda design changed just because some ppl preferred original. This is why I don't like when my favorite characters are controversial. I fear them being changed if there's too much outrage. Im hoping Eldreda side is louder and that they just make her original look a skin or another character all together. Its a gooner game. Not an insult.

Make Eldreda's design even more sexy im down idgaf 🤷‍♀️ Double down. You know like she has bare leg exposed? You could do something cool and match that on the other side but instead of bare leg on both sides, you have bare leg on her right, and left top exposed. Where the outfit isn't covering her left boob. But instead something else is protecting it. This would mirror her bare leg being exposed. Like an armor pasties. Bare leg on right, outfit not covering top left, and an armor like pasties covering the boob instead. But it would have to be somewhat big ig to be legal.

Yes im a degenerate, the sky is blue

Emma was not better than Mag on release. She was just a bully. And that creates more noise. Yes Emma was not better than Mag at any point in her career. But she grabs you and slams you into a wall.

Mag has always been Broken. Its just not in your face. Hes an enabler. I like Emma, i like Black Cat. I had to suffer their Perma bans because people don't like em. Honestly I play Elsa too so her too for awhile.

I noticed something ever since S0. Mag is perma played. And he has never left that status. So surely that... means something....? Thoughts? That being played perma might mean something?

But its as i sad. He doesn't slam you into a wall so its fine. Emma wasnt better than Mag on release she's just a better bully.

I'll explain why a mag ban is better than even Gambit.

1. His ult counters every support.

2. Banning him would allow more off tanks to be selected.

3. Banning him would allow more displacement to be selected. Wolv Angela as other tanks might get punished more if displaced.

4. Banning him allows Jeff to be selected. Jeff has no counter play to Mag ult. Literally free kill.

5. Banning him makes every single projectile ult viable.

I seen a Mag stop a Bucky ult. He ulted after he landed. So his shots got absorbed and bucky couldn't get reset.

6. Counters dps ults that aren't projectile too. Seen a Mag dunk on dark child.

7. Everybody knows how to play mag. Which in theory means, by Banning mag, you have less flex players. Even if people have barely touched tank i bet they know strange and Mag.

So if we preselect Thor and Rogue. And we ban Mag and Strange. Theres less flex potential off that alone. Because 1, they are more popular than Thor and Rogue, and 2 more people know them. So if you preselect off tanks, and ban main tanks, it creates this scenario where the enemy team could end up on 1 tank because their main tank (2 tanks everyone knows) are banned. I've seen it happen. We pre select angela and Thor. We ban Mag and Strange. They tanks played like Thor and Groot. Got diffed on those characters because they only played them because they had to. Not because they wanted. And our off tank players, wanted to play off tanks from jump. So they are actually good with them rather than ppl forced to play them just because Mag Strange got banned.

Anyway I just dont like how all characters I use is hated. But Mag can be best tank in game since season 0 and nobody care. Let's be fr rn.

Edit: If you disagree kick rocks. Tired mfs always trying disagree with someone I say. Even if ppl do agree its the silent ppl. Never the ones in comments. Unhelpful dummies

Emma was not better than Mag on release. She was just a bully. And that creates more noise. Yes Emma was not better than Mag at any point in her career. But she grabs you and slams you into a wall.

Mag has always been Broken. Its just not in your face. Hes an enabler. I like Emma, i like Black Cat. I had to suffer their Perma bans because people don't like em. Honestly I play Elsa too so her too for awhile.

I noticed something ever since S0. Mag is perma played. And he has never left that status. So surely that... means something....? Thoughts? That being played perma might mean something?

But its as i sad. He doesn't slam you into a wall so its fine. Emma wasnt better than Mag on release she's just a better bully.

I'll explain why a mag ban is better than even Gambit.

1. His ult counters every support.

2. Banning him would allow more off tanks to be selected.

3. Banning him would allow more displacement to be selected. Wolv Angela as other tanks might get punished more if displaced.

4. Banning him allows Jeff to be selected. Jeff has no counter play to Mag ult. Literally free kill.

5. Banning him makes every single projectile ult viable.

I seen a Mag stop a Bucky ult. He ulted after he landed. So his shots got absorbed and bucky couldn't get reset.

6. Counters dps ults that aren't projectile too. Seen a Mag dunk on dark child.

7. Everybody knows how to play mag. Which in theory means, by Banning mag, you have less flex players. Even if people have barely touched tank i bet they know strange and Mag.

So if we preselect Thor and Rogue. And we ban Mag and Strange. Theres less flex potential off that alone. Because 1, they are more popular than Thor and Rogue, and 2 more people know them. So if you preselect off tanks, and ban main tanks, it creates this scenario where the enemy team could end up on 1 tank because their main tank (2 tanks everyone knows) are banned. I've seen it happen. We pre select angela and Thor. We ban Mag and Strange. They tanks played like Thor and Groot. Got diffed on those characters because they only played them because they had to. Not because they wanted. And our off tank players, wanted to play off tanks from jump. So they are actually good with them rather than ppl forced to play them just because Mag Strange got banned.

Anyway I just dont like how all characters I use is hated. But Mag can be best tank in game since season 0 and nobody care. Let's be fr rn

Like i knew it was gunna happen. Im more surprised it didnt continue during her weakest state. Like people wanted her to get buffed, and thats fine. But I just knew better. You touch her at all positively and she'll go straight back to Perma.

People just do not like the character. I haven't seen any tier lists put her above S, I've seen like S tier or A tier in tier lists but shes still like perma ban at top elo.

Here's Black Cat. People want her absolutely gutted. Because if shes viable whatsoever, its a bigger problem than other characters being good. If you don't play Black cat, you want her unplayable. It's just that simple. Post nerf black cat was unusable unless you mained her. Buffed Black Cat is a little more accessible to more people. Obviously one tricks were popping off post nerf still. But thats kinda just how she is. If anybody other than a one trick does well with her, its a problem and she should be perma ban or gutted.

Like what I personally find annoying is how like bias her hate is. You can see someone other than black cat popping off, and Black cat will still somehow be the highlight in conversation. Like the tank is 40-3 why are we talking about Black Cat when the tank is 40-3. Also, I noticed when you see a starlord get like a team wipe with his ult nobody says a thing. Even tho his ultimate is broken and extremely easy to use. But people will say nothing if his ult gets a team wipe. But if Black cat ult gets a wipe, people cry? Why? His ultimate is better and EASIER.

See what I mean when I say its the character people are just bias against. I've seen so many times, where like the other dps pops off nobody says a word. But if Black cat does anything remotely impressive people cry.

Like i should enjoy watching necros play Cat because his cat is good, but i don't like seeing him stream cat. Why? Because he'll pop off, and the entire chat is talking about how busted she is. Brother very few percentage is gunna play Black Cat like he does. Ironically he makes the situation worse when all he's doing is playing a character he likes (i don't blame him, I blame the bias towards the character)

Edit: Seems like i wasnt imagining it. There is genuine bias. Personally i dont care about kits. I just care about who I see 24/7