u/SatisfactionSad6558

Season 9 balancing crisis in a nutshell. Cap so weak, the heroes he usually counters can hold their ground. I can’t remember the last time a moon knight actually hunted me down for a 1v1.

Just to give some context, MK was not my priority at first. I was trying to bother healers and draw attention. Eventually I realize this MK really wants the smoke, but I still couldn’t fully engage him because my health was low and his backline was still looking at us. I had to wait until they looked away before fully committing.

I been playing Cap since s0, and he’s never felt this bad.

I used to be able to make a legit difference with Cap. My secret weapon. Like, we were losing, I go Cap, and now the entire momentum of the match changes. People have to swap to counter me. I really felt like I could force things. I always had hope.

Now? I feel the only matches I win with Cap are matches I was gonna win anyway. I’m no longer a real threat. Just a nuisance. I feel like I’m throwing.

What bothers me the most is devs intentionally made him trash. He didn’t just get left behind. Devs intentionally fucked him over. It’s not just the HP nerf. Other tanks got adjusted in ways that make them viable in the new meta. Not Cap. They WANTED Cap garbage. Smfh.

A Cap without durability is NOT Cap. They destroyed his hero fantasy.

No point to this thread. I’m just venting.

Edit - I posted this in main sub. Please support.

Like bro, for real? Damian Priest? The Spanish voicelines?? The "WEPA"??? The salsa emote???? The TIMBS????? With the leather pads showing?????? He’s so Nuyorican it’s crazy 😂.

Might as well just give Netease all my money in advance.

It's gratuitous, yes, but I love it. Appreciate Netease really leaning into the Latino-ness (they kept it pretty mild with namor, which I sort of understand).

I typed out in chat after and he wouldn’t talk to me 😅

That’s pretty much the post. I just tried him out a few times in QP and it was so fun lol. Ulting and stomping in with cannons blazing. Cmon!! Peak fantasy 🫡.

The problem with Emma is that no tanks bully her. No tank can really force her to swap off. She has a positive matchup at best, or neutral matchup at worst, against all tanks. Meanwhile, other tanks have actual negative matchups.

She cooks all brawl tanks. Dive tanks have enough mobility to avoid and/or bait her for a neutral matchup.

Perhaps her best tank counters are Mag and DP, but I wouldn’t say they bully her the way she bullies other tanks. They just out range her. Maybe Groot can block her heals, but she can also farm her beam pretty good.

Thoughts?

Edit — Yall are inspiring me to learn rogue. Thanks. I’ve been looking for a reason to pick her up!!

I tried using him a few times this season, and he just doesn’t shred like he used to. Feel like, if I didn’t crit every shot, nothing was dying. Miss a shot, and they are back at full health. Not saying I gotta kill everything, but he at least had enough offensive pressure to make people fall back, make space, etc.

I remember when DP could challenge Thor for the DPS tank title. Now, not so much. They massacred my boy. Without damage, this guy has no real means of making/holding any space imo.

Yeah, I know he’s a tankbuster, but other tankbusters are healthy in comparison.

Other tankbusters balance lethality with openings for counterplay. They have attack patterns that tanks can still fight back against and cooldowns that limit their uptime.

Blade sword form is problematic because it has infinite uptime. Once he goes in, he doesn’t have to come back out. He just sticks onto the tank until the tank dies. And that’s not even considering the anti heal and slow he applies.

What do yall think (specifically tank players)? How would you adjust the form to be more balanced?

Cap is what a strong but balanced hero should look like. This is a team game. When I win with Cap, I never feel like I did it alone. When I lose to a Cap, I never feel like there’s nothing my team could’ve done. Isn’t team play and coordination the goal? A nerf to cap is a nerf to team play.

Cap rewards skill, game sense, and team coordination, but he has many counters. He has no passive value, and won’t win MVPs or rack up 25 final hits. He doesn’t have an instant value button that will kill everyone or keep everyone alive (besides his ult, and even that requires coordination.) He doesn’t have mindless spam value either. He can create winning opportunities for his team, but he rarely does it on his own. Thats why despite how strong he can be, he is consistently amongst the lowest picked tanks.

If a hero is strong when you play as a team, that’s a GOOD thing. ALL heroes should be reliant on their team to unlock their full potential. How can you disagree???

Cap is solid yes, but his strength is team dependent. Always has been. If your team can’t control a Cap it’s because your team is cheeks or his team is enabling him. He doesn’t single handedly overwhelm his counters.

Nerfing Cap (and others like him) sends the wrong message and establishes an awful precedent. It discourages team play.

Leave Cap alone bro.

Heroes that are strong with no team coordination whatsoever, that single handedly determine the outcome of a match — THOSE are the ones we should be nerfing.

That is all.

Edit - Some of yall mentioning his ult charge mechanic. One, his ult charge mechanic is not busted like gambits. His ult does not lock on and does not boost damage, so he charges significantly less than Gambit’s. Two, the ult charge mechanic discourages using his ult selfishly, and encourages his team playing with him. Take it away, and Caps will go back to solo ulting backlines. Is that what you want? In both cases, the ult charge promotes team play. The game is healthier this way.

Edit 2 - This isn’t just about Cap. It’s about tank agency. Cap is strong in part because he doesn’t have the same weaknesses as most other tanks. He isn’t a CC victim, he doesn’t get farmed and exploded by poke, can’t get easily kidnapped or walled off, etc. Tanking is difficult enough as it is. You want less of tanks? Leave em alone man.

Like seriously wtf is all this? I can’t keep track of it all, to the point that I gave up. I’ve accepted that I simply can’t keep up with every little thing, but the clutter still bothers me.

Is there a way to turn notifications off? Adjust the Home Screen layout somehow?

Whoever is in charge of UI — Do yall not realize the more you clutter everything, the less people will actually engage? Yall seriously don’t think you cant make this better somehow?? You shouldn’t be beating your player base into submission. You won’t win.

Edit - Those of you defending this makes zero sense and clearly have no understanding of user experience. If any other interface was like this, on an app or operating system or website or whatever. Yall understand that in any other industry, they go out of business for UI like this right? Assaulting the user with too many options, sales, and alerts is objectively horrible design. Period. People literally study this stuff and hire teams to avoid exactly this problem. If you don’t agree, the problem is you.