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Obviously if there is no download available for your VIN, then nothing will get it sooner. But in my case, it was apparently available and my actions triggered it to download sooner. How much sooner? I don't know. :)

Mine was sticking on v14.0 and not upgrading to 14.1. '22MYLR. I finally turned on Advanced updates (doubt this did anything) a few hours beforehand and when checking again there was no update. I then connected to my phone hotspot and enabled automatic updates and it instantly found the newest version and allowed the download, albeit the slowest update download, ever. haha. (Checksum pauses up the wazoo)

Maybe it might get you pushed up a few hours, so might be worth a shot? I was lucky in that my download and update finished 5 minutes before a really long drive and I was able to put 14.1 through the gauntlet, which it did wonderfully.

I live in an area where I don't see many Teslas. FSD has always been less reliable here for me. The roads, trees, houses etc are all pretty much the same just one area 20 miles away has a ton of Teslas driving around. I wonder if there might be something to the idea that Tesla can map out roads and pre-bake data into maps for easier FSD nav and steering?

Before I got onto 14.1 from 14.0 I has getting massive amounts of hard phantom braking everywhere near my house, but it seemingly instantly got way better once crossing into the Tesla heavy area, then back to crap near my house again.

With 14.1 it's better overall and no longer PB near my house, but it still feels much less confident in the non-Tesla area.

The best way I can describe it is it feels like in the Tesla area, the car has already driven there a bunch of times and knows the place, while in the non-Tesla area, it drives like someone who doesn't know the area and is having trouble looking for their destination.

Finally got done with my old supply. Went to get new ones. Jerks want $13 for a 5-pack of Gold Star Mini Sardine Hoochies. I spent like a couple bucks for 5-packs a few years ago. Seems all hoochie prices have gone through the clouds.

Why?

If you, like me, wanted something EV (gas prices nuking my wallet), and in the mid $20K or less range, and just needed something that can hold and pull stuff really well...

It really sucks, but the Model Y, when got used for a good price, is actually extremely comparable to the needs I would have of a Slate truck. Can it haul my tools for my business? Can it haul massive quantities of salmon meat? Is it EV? If yes, then me boy happy!

I want a Slate Truck and will likely end up with one eventually. But, I need to see a proven product before I buy it, which happened to be what my used 2022 Model Y is, a prove product from a proven company. It can tow 3500 lbs, which is 1,500 more than the Slate. It has AWD and more torque than many full sized trucks. The "bed" is around 6 feet long with seats folded down. I can get a lift kit and taller tires that gets my ground clearance to nearly 9". It can do 0-60 in about 4 seconds and destroy all cargo in the process. Parts are surprisingly affordable, easy to source, and relatively easy to fix.

Funny enough, the design of putting most things in the main control screen actually makes it feel like a super simple and clean vehicle. There is just a zen feeling of no clutter, which is one aspect of the Slate I like. I don't really have to fiddle with anything at all when driving the Model Y as just a regular vehicle. They even sell a regular wireless key dong for those who like extra dong in the pocket.

I can fit four (limit) giant Chinook salmon on ice in the frunk.

It's used, so I don't care about keeping it all pretty and perfect for trading it in. It still has 4 years of drivetrain warranty.

Most importantly, I'm no longer nuking $400 a month on gas. By waiting for a Slate truck, even if I was willing to be first in line, would end up costing me LOTS of money in fuel costs, thus effectively raising the Slate Truck cost to me by thousands of dollars just in one year of waiting, by two or more years, I'm looking at $8k+ in fuel cost losses waiting for my Slate Truck.

I always read/heard that Tesla doesn't do much upkeep on their pre-owned cars. Just clean them up and make sure the basic safety items are up to spec.

I got a 2022 MYLR over a month ago. From Tesla, Renton, WA location. Came with new 12v battery (mine is before 16v was used) made in Feb 2026, two new cabin air filters, usb drive, two new key cards, new J1772 adapter, new HEPA filters (or at least the pre-filters look new), refurbished (?) or new(ish) rims?, and tires with over 90% tread. I'm also kind of suspecting the floor mats are new all around. They were perfect when I took possession.

The rims have me the most confused. With tens of thousands of miles on the car, the rims look nearly brand new. They are the 20" Induction wheels. Not a scratch on them, yet the inside of the rim clearly has some dirtiness from use. No chunks or bits that have been repainted over. I wonder if the previous owner was just a total G when it came to avoiding curbs? No burger king drive through? I'm stoked I will be getting a decent amount back when they are sold off to recoup money on the new wheels.

Not too stoked on the wiper blades or the fluid they put in there. Might be some rain X junk. While new, that stuff makes wipers worse, in my experience.

tl;dr = Putting expensive efficient 255 wide EV tires on large rims is pointless when you can just go with smaller wheels and tires that are cheaper, yield better performance, and are more efficient. I dropped over 14 lbs each wheel and my car is faster around normal crappy road corners.

My 2022 Model Y Long Range came with the 20" Induction Wheels with 255 40 20 EV specific efficiency tires that retail $400 each or so. They look cool, and that's about it. Otherwise heavy, not efficient, and prone to damage.

With all the steps taken by Tesla to eek out every ounce of efficiency from these cars, why on earth do they toss all that out the window and put the most inefficient and poor riding wheel and tires setups on there? It's ridiculous, and I blame the buyers who think low profile tires are always higher performance or something. F1 cars could take a note about their folly of using thicker tires, eh? /s

I now am on $146 18" wheels that dropped over 10 lbs on each wheel and the rim metal does not stick out past the rubber, so no curb danger. Over the last 400 miles on the same roads and commutes, I am now getting around 30 wh/m better efficiency right off the bat, and that's comparing the older tires that are worn in to the new tires which will get better with age. I was at around 265 wh/m and now around 235 wh/m.

So, not only is my car A LOT more snappy in Sport mode, actually too much so, making the car almost kinda scary how instantly it snaps my head back with way less weight interfering with the power going to the road from the axles, but it also increased ride comfort, traction on non-smooth roads, wheel protection, range, etc... It improved every metric except the personal preference of what wheels look cooler.

Even with 19" wheels, I think you're losing a lot, as they are still super wide and use the wider 255 tires, which these cars absolutely do not need.

If someone drives on smooth roads and really does do crazy stuff like flying across 6 lanes of highway at 80 mph to make an exit, then yeah, maybe the larger wheels and tires will help out, and they might not mind the expensive tires and going with good grippy ones instead of EV tires. Spending big bucks on 255 wide EV tires could pay for a whole set of new rims and tires in a 235 55 18 setup.

Please don't be the same schmuck as me driving around on 20"+ rims and $400 EV range extending tires.

UW researchers this past Wednesday have published a study that analyzed 100 manly, alpha, outdoor, giga-chad, bearded, bro-stud fishermen compared to 100 barefoot children in swim trunks. They concluded that while all 100 men refused to enter any body of water without protection from the use of fishing waders due to safety concerns, the 100 children somehow all survived their exposure to the deadly chemical otherwise known as dihydrogen monoxide. 100% of adults exposed to this chemical eventually die. They have yet to pinpoint exactly what mechanism the human child possesses that allows it to endure such harsh environments that cause serious harm to grown men.

So, I plead with all of you men out there, just don't EVER risk fishing without your leaky waders on. Let's save lives this summer, folks!

Edit: Sorry for the title brain stroke. Not sure what I did there. :(

Sounds crazy, but I don't like how twitchy and insane my MYLR is now when in Sport mode. I recently got lighter weight wheels and tires by going to 18" from 20" and dropped a huge amount of wheel and tire weight. This was done for getting cheaper tires, better ride, and better range, as the largest decision factors, not so much speed. The car now feels more like a Model 3 with Boost than a Model Y with Boost. The power delivery is a lot more immediate and extreme on first acceleration. Don't get me wrong, the speed increase is neat and fun to check out a few times, but it's not good for my driving style or needs.

I really don't need that type of feel to my car and the Standard mode would be vastly more than enough for me especially with the new wheels and tires. The way it is now it can basically break all the wheel loose at any speed under 40 mph if I tap the pedal a bit to quick or deep. It's not a predictable accelerator in Sport mode. In fact, Sport mode is terrible in any scenario where you need power modulation over just smashing it down and holding on. I used to be really into rally car driving and personally would take a predictable accelerator pedal and/or less power to make my car faster overall. Instant power from tapping the pedal IS NOT some sort of ideal racing config, at least not for any racer I know. It's fun for smashing the pedal and holding on, and not much else.

Ideally these cars would have a third mode between Sport and Chill, or at least be able to select different pedal profiles. I think there is a limitation with the motor controllers not being able to hold more than 2 profile slots, so it could be a hardware limitation. The Performance motors probably have more slots for their added profiles. I can't think of any others reason to lock other owners from using Standard Mode instead of Sport if they want less janky pedal action.

And, I never even bought or asked for the Boost upgrade, but it was added without choice by Tesla for the used car. I got the car for every other reason, and it just so happened to also be extremely fast. I love some rally car driving on our rural crappy roads, but that really doesn't need so much power to be fast and fun. More power just means more pedal management trying to always not drop too far down or let a hard bumps knock the pedal down.

Edit: I'm actually liking the way they look more than the 20" Inductions. The extra meaty tire just looks so right when looking at the car in person. They look lame in photos, but in person and all dirty, it's got that rally car look I love. With the 20" wheels, it looks like one of those lame Range Rovers that has super large rims and low profile tires trying too hard to look cool. They drive like ass.

So, there isn't a smooth road within a 15 miles radius of me, at least. All of our roads undulate, dip, bump, with patches of sand, then mud, then gravel, potholes, moss, dry road, then wet road... all in the same corner. This is rally car country, not race track country.

So the biggest thing that happened is I dropped nearly 15 lbs at each wheel and on top of tha pulled the weight that is there in closer to the hubs. The acceleration increase is like going from 30% charge in Sport mode to 100% charge in sport mode. It just has that extra savage kick and pull that is lacking at lower states of charge. It's close to like getting the Boost Upgrade. The biggest factor is not the 0-60 times, which are not massively better, but the just pure savagery of the initial kick in the gut, knock the breath out of you a bit, kind of holy crap acceleration for that first second of hammering it. Especially at 40 MPH coasting and it's close to struggling for traction.

Cornering smoothness and speed have gone up massively with 235 18 tires. The fastest cars I have ever had for cornering out in these parts are the rally style turbo cars like the old 2004-2005 Sti or Evo. They were firm riding, but had that rally heart that let them just shred over crappy roads. With the 20" tires on the MY, they start skipping around and moving the line of the car around when things get all nasty in corners. What's wild is that I got just cheapo standard 18" all season tires. Something fancier would really be sweet for performance.

One of the biggest things I noticed was actually how hard it decelerates with regen braking compared to the 20" setup. The slow down from 30 mph to a stop is very much faster and harder.

Then there is the price. New set of 255 40 20 tires is just stupid expensive. My 235 tires were almost half the price and outperform the 20 inch tires on our crappy roads.

This Model Y with the new tires reminds me of the 2004 Subaru Sti if it had more weight, but also more power. Even the way the front end kind of engages and disengages with the throttle on turns. The new setup on my MY just absolutely screams "Rally Me Harder Daddy!" and is actually just more fun to drive through corners at a steady safe speed than hammer it out of every apex with the 20" setup.

Oh, and I'm getting a bit better range, but will have to drive locked in Chill mode to verify. :)

There needs to be a sensor that senses if groceries are in the vehicle and warns the driver if the driver decides to put it into Sport or Insane modes. :)

edit: On a completely unrelated note, anyone know how to clean a slurry of eggs and milk out of a frunk? Asking hypothetically, of course...

I had always wondered for so many years seeing these things on the roads, yet never anyone giving it the full beans, just slipping around as effortlessly as possible. I grew up around the ocean with sailboats and jet skis. The Model Y is like both put into a single form of a land vehicle. Sailing can be even more fun and rewarding than the sheer white-knuckle ripping the jet ski can provide. There's something really neat about propulsion from a sort of free, natural, invisible force and harnessing it as efficiently and gracefully as possible. My MYLR is currently being pushed by ~60% water energy from hydro, so just solar energy, with extra steps.

On really smooth roads with good tires, it really feels like just flying along in a sailboat on calm water. The grace of the one pedal driving is just unmatched smoothness once the thing has been mastered.

The only serious downside to sailboats is that they can be really slow and sometimes a danger to other vessels when in tight passages and large ships. In those cases, a jet ski is capable of navigating things quickly and out of way. Although I have yet to ever see such behavior from a jet ski rider, they are all lawless hooligans here.

I was born in the 1970s and have been one of those guys who always buys the cheapest old Toyota to keep my transport costs as low as possible, no matter what my income is. Worked great until I made the mistake of test driving a used Model Y 2022. If the ride was harsh? Don't care, saving money. A bit noisy? Don't care, saving money. Pretty much every thing that luxury car owners demand, are things I don't even care to fix. It's just normal car driving to hear noise and feel the bumps. I actually love it.

When you pay $50k+ for a brand new car, I can imagine the expectations for perfection are very high, and rightly so. That's a crap ton of money for a regular sized crossover car in term of what you pay for each mile of transportation.

When you buy one of these for $25K or less, it's like buying a tiny Hyundai cheapo shitbox but getting this nearly Ferrari fast alien tech machine, that makes the same noises and bumps you've not given a crap about your whole life. This thing is the most luxury you've ever even come close to owning before. Seat squeaks loud when getting in and out of the car? Don't care. Frunk lid is kinda janky cheap feeling and fully manual? Don't care, frunk useful. Ape strong. Granny slams her shopping cart into the door? Thanks grans, now it has character. White paint covered in cow shit? Good, the scent helps blend in with the herd on the ranch.

For me, I got a 2022 MYLR for $25k, and it is by far WAAAAAYYYYY more car than I could have ever once gotten for that money any point in my life prior. I was really worried about the vast number of people complaining about how poor the ride and noises are, and it turns out none of those people really have any of the same perspective as those of us on the cheaper used market. With paying about $400 a month is gas up until now with my ICE car, my monthly expenses have stayed level or gone down a bit with the cheaper MY. So, I still get to be the cheapo bastard who spends as little as possible on transport.

I once worked for a guy who lived in a $30+ million dollar 4 story house, who drove nothing other than old beat up Toyota mini vans and wore torn up clothing. He was worth hundreds of millions and looked like some dude on food stamps when he was out and about.

I sincerely actually APPRECIATE the people who are paying full cost brand new for these cars then dumping them several years later take 50%+ of the depreciation hit. Complaining about every little thing, so Tesla actually tries to make them better. You're doing the rest of us poors a solid service here. Please don't take this as sarcasm, it really does make it possible for some of us who would never otherwise get something this great that fits our budgets.

I find v12 likes to only give about 1 second of follow distance from cars in front of me going 65 MPH (chill mode), which is not acceptable for me. I prefer to keep a 2-3 second distance depending on traffic and speed. It basically drives like all the jerkwads that drive around our area.

Between that and phantom braking and speeding way over the limit at times, it would be sweet if v14 lite addressed many of the issues people have with v12.

At this point I would be happy to just have a dumb cruise control that goes up and down with the scroll wheel. It's not very difficult for most people to manage without much thought. We've had that system for decades on everything made.

If you need a bit of a lean back in the driver seat to fit most vehicles correctly, or to just give the spine a little less forced bending forward, the hard rear panel behind the driver seat is going to need to go. Otherwise it becomes a fight between leg room and being able to lean the seat back a bit, because the seat must move forward to give room behind it. Old Nissan 2 seater pickups used to be brutal in this regard for tall chonky dudes.

This is why news of the SUV style back having an option without seats would be perfect for taller dudes wanting to lean the seat back, even just for the steeze.

I'm personally interested in getting one eventually (need a test drive), but only if it could accommodate a cheaper option for opening up the back area without paying for extra seats and airbags. I think a lightweight rear shell for $1500 would be acceptable.

And if the production seats are thin and hard like the prototypes, I will need more of that adjustment room to add padding to the stock seats. I have Hank Hill syndrome, no ass and all gut.

As long as it doesn't cause pain, I actually really enjoy having road noises and feeling every bit of the road. I've been in a lot of Audis, Range Rovers, BMWs, Mercedes, etc. and the single most annoying thing I hate the most about being in them or driving them is the sensory input deprivation chamber kind of vibe I get. Going 30MPH feels and sounds exactly the same as going 70+ way over the speed limit. I dread having to drive one for a client and keep it on cruise control 100% of the time to keep from getting speeding tickets. I also just find it boring for my mind that is always running a bit fast at idle. The Mercedes with the super floaty air ride suspension that felt like a hovercraft over potholes, was the worst feeling car I have ever been in.

The old Toyota pickup I had before for decades hurt my back from the junky seats, but the feel of the road and the noises were just fantastic for people who LOVE sensory input. I've driven that thing from Seattle to LA multiple times in one drive, even taking the entire coastal highways some trips (2 days drive)

Are people like me just that strange and abnormal? Or is the general car buyer just getting soft and too pampered these days with luxury features? Or can the complaints about these cars just come down to people who are paying full new retail price along with coming from luxury cars just skewing the perception of buyer feedback?

The market for used Model Ys wasn't low enough in price until recently (last year) for regular income people to afford them, at least the ones with good financial sense. :) Now that they can be had for mid $20k, I think a lot of the people coming from old cars or just cheaper ones will actually find the noise is actually improved over what they used to have.

With that said, I do plan on dropping the 20" Induction wheels for 18" and going down to 235 wide tires, mostly for increasing range a little along with vastly cheaper tires at that size.

Someone I know has a 2016 (roughly) Porsche. It has similar frameless windows like my Model Y that have to step down to not clip the door trim when opening and closing. The door handles have a first stage of activation on the travel of the lever that taps the window down to clear the trim and as you keep on pulling the handle become mechanical and opens the door. It's 100% logical and works 100% of the time, even when I tried to out speed the mechanism, it always got the window down faster than I could pull the handle and push the door open. (owner wasn't too thrilled at my attempts to damage the door trim, haha)

Is this a patent issue? Because the Porsche system solves many issues people have with the Tesla version, most notably the safety aspect of panicked people trying to open doors. I can't imagine it's a cost issue, but maybe the Porsche system is inherently expensive to implement?

My Tesla mobile connector on Level 1 charging on a 110v north american outlet I think pulls like 12 amps. I have a powerful tool device I use that runs at a steady power draw that pulls 14 amps, nearly maxing out 15 amps. It cooks thin extension cords and heats up the outlet when using sub par cords.

I went to the store and spent a seemingly huge sum ($175 usd) for a 50' 10 gauge 20+ amp 110v Rigid brand cord.

I then ran the machine pulling 14 amps for 2 hours straight, which is usually enough duration to reach full heat saturation in the cord and outlet. Usually it can be anywhere from warm to pretty hot when using the minimum of spec for power cords.

With the 50 foot 10 gauge cord, the outlet was stone cold after 3 hours of running, it 80 degree F ambient temps. The reduced resistance along with the thermal transfer heat sink trait of the thick wire helped tons. Even with adding a 12 gauge 50' cord to the 10 gauge, making a 100' foot run, the outlet was dead cold. Baring any production flaw in the cord itself or the outlet, there is really no cause for any concern on my part in terms of heating the outlet too much.

Now I am very confident with the 10 gauge cord and take it with me for times when I might need some extra length to get to an outlet. It is a bit heavy and chonky, but still worthwhile to have peace of mind knowing there is very little chance of thermal issues. If I was buying a 25 foot cord, I wouldn't even bother with 10 gauge, as that length would be plenty sufficient with 12 gauge since the cord is shorter and the impact of thinner wiring is negated a bit in terms of resistance.

Even before my local gas prices went from $4.30 to $6.00 USD a gallon (WA state, USA) I was paying enough monthly in gas to make me wonder why I was soooooooo stupid for not buying a used EV years ago, let alone now with roughly almost 50% more money going to fuel costs.

I picked up a used Model Y 2022 LR, which when combined with my free charging at every location I work at, along with off peak cheap charging at home in rare cases, the Model Y is currently paying me roughly $50 a month over my loan payment and increased insurance costs.

And that is with the most ULTRA conservative calculations I could make in the FAVOR of petrol. I left out oil changes (2x per year), front brake changes (1x every 2 years), timing belts, valve covers, O2 sensors, etc, etc, etc, etc. I've spent thousands on regular maintenance on my Toyota over the last 6 years, and it's one of the most reliable best Toyotas ever built. So, the savings are likely quite a bit more than I expect, which is exactly how I like to do my finances when making decisions that have any risk involved.

My car will 100% pay for itself in less than 8 years, pending any major repairs, which are very unlikely once these cars are past the warranty period and the issues have been resolved by then. That time will go up or down bit depending on petrol costs, but it will get there at some point, and would probably never get there in an ICE car.

So, not only am I saving money, especially once the car is paid off and still running for years, but I am getting a rocket ship of a fast car that is fun to drive, for free. Why would I pay to drive any Toyota non-EV over getting paid to drive something more fun? :)

EDIT: I fully understand the distinction between being paid and reducing expenses. In the end, it doesn't matter what it is called as far as my wallet is concerned. Getting worked up and attempting to somehow educate me on this is wasting your time. Referring to a car as "paying me" is a play on the wording and situation to make extra fun of the silly fuel prices. Stop being Reddit dudes for a moment and lighten up. FFS. haha

When looking at range specs alone, a 4-6 year older Model Y with lots of miles on it with even 85% SOH on the battery, still has more range than many new models from other brands, especially when factoring in price. A 2022 Model Y for $26,000 still beats the socks off just about any other EV in the USA market actively being sold. That's just taking in the normal aspects of a car going from point a to point b reliably, and not even taking into account that a 8 year old Tesla can still out accelerate most new EVs out today.

The Model Y/3 are becoming the Toyotas of the EV space, IMO. We're a Toyota family at our house and two of them were purchased used at 200,000+ miles, paying a premium compared to getting something domestic new at a 0% rate. A good model year of Toyota is more reliable and longer lasting and less trouble at 200,000 miles than any Stellantis vehicle brand new off the lot.

So, slapping on 18" wheels and tires ($1,500), and a future comfort suspension upgrade $2,000+), still leaves me quite a bit below what I was going to get new from another maker.

Do I choose a used Model Y or a new Chevy Bolt for slightly more or same price? That's the biggest no-brainer of all time. The Chevy Bolt is pure suck compared to a MY in just about every metric, except if your parking space is exactly wide enough for a Bolt and not a MY.

My only beef with the car so far is I now realize every 4th car in my commute is a Model Y with some dork-ass mofo bobble-heading around in their bouncy self-driving castle, JUST. LIKE. ME. Getting the best car I could get left me feeling a bit like a generic NPC. Coming from Toyota, it's quite fitting for me, I guess. lmao

edit: The Model 3 is an even better deal, if one can fit through the doors. It was like going through a birth canal getting in and out of that thing at 6foot 4, 210+ lbs. Like Jim Carrey and the Rhino birth scene, but tighter. People would laugh at me in the parking lots. haha

Sold my 1993 2wd Xtra-Cab Pickup. We've had it since new and put nearly 400,000 miles on it. Getting old made it harder for me to sit in those seats and harsh suspension, it was a rough ride back when I was 20 something, let alone now...

When a family member or relative has some sort of terminal illness, you sort of prepare for it. Even when having to put down an old dog, you know it's going to come some day, no big surprise.

I've never gotten broken up at all over any material object, except maybe my Nintendo my brother busted up back in the day.

I'm usually the most stable guy you've ever met, but I was going into full rages over things like my phone not responding as fast as I would like when pressing those god-damn virtual buttons.

It kind of made sense all the sudden and I came to calm terms with it knowing someone else is getting some use out of that truck. If cars have souls, that little truck LOVED to go romp around the mountains on logging roads and never broke down in the mountains, yet when put into commuting role for 10 years, it got depressed and broke down all the time in the city, way more than a Toyota should, but never on days out in the hills.