u/sweet_tea_94

So, I decided to check out Jinger and Joy’s first podcast episode (will never do that again, and I feel guilty of doing so) and I wanted to recap some crap I heard from here. This is snarky edition. 😉

1. They open the podcast talking about how Joy’s week been, with her and Austin continuing to renovating. So exciting! Guess what, Joystin? You guys won’t be on HGTV any time soon!

2. They introduce this yawn inducing podcast, as they get on the phone and talk. Absolutely Jinger and Joy live in this sub, as she makes the comment “You guys are like, ‘Woah! It’s not beige anymore!’” And she decided to paint this as a color of…a hospital. WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK? Is this supposed to be funny or what?

3. Jinger and Joy dive into what to expect from the podcast, which is…lots of vague circle talking! YAY!!! 🙄 Oh, they want people to call in and ask questions. Whoopie. How much do y’all wanna bet that it’s gonna be more vague circle talking and they’re gonna have most of the siblings on here, including Jill.

4. The big news is…that Joy is pregnant. We all knew that, ladies! And I think Joy knows the gender and the name she/Austin will pick out, as does Jinger. Why would they keep hinting at a >!granny (girl)!< with the names of >!Ellie or Gertrude!< ?

5. Jinger asks if they are done after blessing #4. Joy says she isn’t sure, but turns the question to “do you feel pressure to have as many kids?” Me thinks their parents are pressuring both of them to have more and I really think Jinger is done while Joy will be done after this one, but are dancing around the topic because they know Jim Fart and Cooter Poodle as well as Jim Fart’s flying monkeys are listening to this. More vague talking about this of course!!

6. There are more boring topics that I’m not even bothering recapping. 😂

7. However, Jinger and Joy talk to each other frequently every week! Surprise, we knew that. Also, why did Jinger have to go into why she FaceTimes is because Jeremy FaceTimes? “I love Jeremy. Jeremy loves FaceTime. Now I love FaceTime.”

8. One more thing about this. Why they decided to do the podcast is because they have extra time and looking something to do. Here’s the real truth they are not getting at—because Jinger knew Jeremy brought hardly any views with his constant lecturing and talking over Jinger. Plus, she seems a lot happier with Joy than she does with her husband. Also, they don’t know whether they will do it back in Arkansas or in LA whenever Joy is visiting. I get the feeling it’s gonna mostly be when they’re not in the same room and on FaceTime/be on the phone, like the Kelce brothers do?

That’s it! Also, Jinger has officially morphed into Meech while Joy has morphed into Jill.

Okay. All of the husbands sucked and almost all of the couples had toxic and unhealthy marriages/relationships, except for Katherine and Robin. My question is, in your opinion, who is the best husband of Wisteria Lane?

For me, it has to be Mike. Yes, he was secretive and yes, he was stubborn about accepting help. However, not only was he supportive of Susan (and helped her stay grounded in ways) but was an excellent stepdad to Julie and dad to MJ. In fact, I believe that Mike was a better father to Julie than Karl was.

WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK?!

RIP, Hayden. 🕊️

With the sad recent news in Rodrigues world regarding Tim being an abusive POS & Heidi’s family rallying around her hoping they divorce, anything is possible. Who do you think will divorce in Duggarland?

My guess is Jason and Maddie, but not for another 5-10 years. I think this will cause several others to follow suit, but not until after Jim Fart either becomes incapacitated or passes. I think after that will be Justin/Claire, Jed/Katey, Jinger/Jeremy, and Jill/Derick.

What unpopular opinions do you have about the show? For
me, mine are the following…

1. ⁠Every one on Wisteria Lane were terrible parents, some were worse than others.
2. All of the husbands sucked. Some were worse than others, like Tom, Karl and Carlos.
3. Kayla was not a monster, she was a troubled girl who went through a lot of trauma and had shitty caregivers (Nora for being manipulative and Tom for dumping her onto Lynette). She needed proper professional help. Also, instead of moving in with her dad and stepmom full time after her mom died, it would have been better for her maternal grandparents to have physical and legal custody of Kayla while Tom and Lynette get visitation rights.
4. ⁠Even though Gaby was not a great mom, she grew a lot after having Juanita and Celia.
5. ⁠I liked having Renee on the Lane. It was refreshing to see a childfree woman and someone who didn’t marry the right person until later in life.
6. ⁠I loved Andrew! Yes, he was a little shit. But he was funny about it. Also, he showed a lot of growth post time jump skip and I love how he becomes close with Bree later.
7. ⁠Even though Edie sucked, she was the most real person out of all the ladies—why she gave up Travers, being unapologetic for her personality like her promiscuity, and sometimes being a real friend.

I did my umpteenth rewatching of this amazing show and I was thinking about this. If you were in charge of writing the show, what would you change? Here are my thoughts. Sorry it is so long. 😂

1. ⁠I would not have Lynette be pregnant again with another set of twins and instead, have Penny be her and Tom's last child.
2. ⁠Lynette and Tom would permanently divorce, as they had an unhealthy marriage. Lynette would have moved to NYC solo and found a new love after she moved, with them eventually marrying. As for Tom, he would stay on Wisteria Lane and married twice more--both ending in a divorce. I would have them end up becoming good friends and co-parent well after a rough time post-divorce, as his next two marriages and divorces would help him mature and grow as a person. All four kids visit both parents often, and maintain a good relationship with them--with Porter and Preston being closer to Tom while Parker and Penny would be closer to Lynette. However, Tom would deep down regret letting Lynette go and would always still be in love with her.
3. ⁠I would have Susan grow as a cook, especially after MJ was born. I’d also change the whole Julie pregnancy storyline too, where Julie does end up giving up her baby for adoption (with Susan’s support) as she clearly did not want to be a mom. As for Julie, I’d have her continue on grad school in Boston, but eventually meets the right man whom she ends up marrying after completing grad school. They would remain in Boston, have no children together, and be happy.
4. ⁠Mike wouldn’t be dead. I’d have him seriously injured from the shooting where he would have to have rehab to help him recover. It would for sure test Mike and Susan’s marriage, but they would come out stronger than ever. I'd have them eventually leave the Lane and move into a quaint cottage in the country about an hour away with MJ. Susan starts her own publishing business and brings in local moms and artists to create unique children’s books while Mike would finally have his own plumbing business. Julie and her husband often go out to visit her family and vice versa with them going to Boston.
5. ⁠I'd still have Bree move to Kentucky and dive into politics, with her eventually becoming the mayor of Louisville. However, I didn't like that she got together with Trip. I would have her stay single for a long time as she went through a lot with Orson in the last few episodes and she realizes that she doesn't need a man to make her happy. Instead, Bree has her family and her friends. I'd have Danielle and Benjamin move to Kentucky to live near Bree a year later. Danielle suffers another crisis and realizes she needs her mom more than ever. We would see Bree and Danielle be a work in progress with healing their relationship. As for Andrew, he remains close with his mom and often goes to visit her.
6. ⁠For Gaby, I would have not had the whole Grace storyline as she went through too much trauma already--her childhood, her miscarriage in s1, losing the girl she was about to adopt because the birth parents changed their mind, and Carlos being blind. As for Carlos, he showed a lot of growth so not much, but I would write out the whole switching birth controls as well as how he dealt with finding out that Lynette was pregnant. And for the most part, I liked her ending. I would still have Gaby and Carlos move to Los Angeles with her getting a show on the QVC network. However, instead of having Gaby forget what she has learned on being a better version of herself, I would have her continue to work on breaking the cycle of generational trauma for Juanita and Celia with Carlos' help and support. It would be filled with ups and downs, but the mother-daughter trio would come out stronger in the end as well as Gaby and Carlos. It would be a great character development, as while she works on being a better version of herself--Gaby will always have the past, yet not letting it affect her.
7. ⁠I would not have Katherine discard her relationship with Robin and sexuality. I hated that they made her character think that her sexuality was a phase. Instead, I would have her come to realize that she is a lesbian and after some encouragement from Robin, she would come out to the ladies and Dylan. All would be very supportive of Katherine and their friendship/mother-daughter relationship would not change. I'd have Katherine and Robin stay together and eventually marry. Their marriage lasts for a long time and this was the first time Katherine has ever been happy with a partner, as her embracing the fact that she is a lesbian freed her from her misery and is finally at peace with her life. Katherine and Robin would permanently reside in Paris with a second home in Manhattan. Also, I would have removed the Katherine becoming crazy after Mike storyline.
8. ⁠I would have not killed off Edie. Yes, she sucked and yes, she did a LOT of fucked up stuff with the ladies' partners. However, Edie does also fit right in with the other desperate housewives IMO. I would have developed her personality more. First off, she returns to Katherine and Karen to say they were right about Dave, so they team up to get revenge, and Edie divorces Dave at the end of season 5. Second, she helps Julie after she gets strangled and when she got pregnant, because Edie always was kinda like an aunt to Julie. Then, Edie would’ve had an affair with Tom, which would lead to the end of the Scavos’ marriage as Lynette realized she can do so much better without him (no Jane at all lol). Finally, she would’ve gotten Renee’s storylines (after dumping Tom) and would get her happy ending with Ben. While Edie settles with Ben, she reaches out to Travers, who is now an adult, and apologizes to him for not being present. This leads to mother and son to reconcile and they start to rebuild their relationship.
9. ⁠I would have the storyline of who is MJ's father, after Mike and Susan realize that he looks nothing like either of them. So, a paternity test was done since it came out that Susan slept with Ian, Dave, and Karl before she and Mike got married and it turns out that Dave is MJ's biological father. This is why Mike and Susan divorced because she hid who the father really is and why Dave tried to kidnap him. I would conclude the whole storyline with Mike and Susan getting back together as Mike fully accepts MJ as his son, no matter if he was biologically his or not.
10. ⁠I would have the plot twist of Tom having another secret kid shortly after he and Lynette divorced and that would be...Zach Young! The plot would be that Zach is actually Tom’s kid, not Mike’s. Deidre and Tom slept together one time (before Nora and before Lynette) and was pregnant at the time she got together with Mike, so she led Mike to believe that Zach was his. It turns out that Mike struggled with male infertility without him, Deidre, and Susan knowing it.
11. ⁠I hated how they discarded Kayla after she moved in with her maternal grandparents at the end of season 4. I would have had her come back after a lot of intensive therapy a year after Tom and Lynette divorce. She would be healed, but it's still a journey for her. Eventually, Tom and Kayla repair their broken connection, but it took awhile to get there. She also sends a sincere apology letter to her former stepmom for all of the hurt she has caused. Even though Lynette and Kayla don't rebuild their relationship, it ends on good terms and closure finally came for the both of them.
12. ⁠Instead of Dave being committed, I think he should have died in that car crash right after he and Edie divorced.

What are your thoughts?

James Robert "Jim Bob" Duggar b. July 18, 1965 m. July 21, 1984 Michelle Annette Ruark b. September 14, 1966

-1. Joshua James "Josh" Duggar b. March 3, 1988 m. September 26, 2008 Anna Renée Keller b. June 23, 1988

• Mackynzie Renée Duggar b. October 8, 2009 (grandchild #1)
• Michael James Duggar b. June 15, 2011 (grandchild #2)
• Marcus Anthony Duggar b. June 2, 2013 (grandchild #3)
• Meredith Grace Duggar b. July 16, 2015 (grandchild #5)
• Mason Garrett Duggar b. September 12, 2017 (grandchild #9)
• Maryella Hope Duggar b. November 27, 2019 (grandchild #16)
• Madyson Lily Duggar b. October 23, 2021 (grandchild #22)

-2. Jana Marie Duggar b. January 12, 1990 m. August 15, 2024 Stephen Gerald Wissmann b. July 15, 1993

• Archie Gerald Wissmann b. December 30, 2025 (grandchild #40)

-3. John-David "John" Duggar b. January 12, 1990 m. November 3, 2018 Abbie Grace Burnett b. April 16, 1992

• Grace Annette Duggar b. January 7, 2020 (grandchild #17)
• Charlie Duggar b. early-mid September 2022 (grandchild #27)
• Baby Girl Burnett-Duggar b. late January 2026 (grandchild #41)

-4. Jill Michelle Duggar b. May 17, 1991 m. June 21, 2014 Derick Michael Dillard b. March 9, 1989

• Israel David Dillard b. April 7, 2015 (grandchild #4)
• Samuel Scott "Sam" Dillard b. July 8, 2017 (grandchild #8)
• Frederick Michael "Freddy" Dillard b. July 7, 2022 (grandchild #26)

-5. Jessa Lauren Duggar b. November 4, 1992 m. November 1, 2014 Benjamin Michael "Ben" Seewald b. May 19, 1995

• Spurgeon Elliot Seewald b. November 5, 2015 (grandchild #6)
• Henry Wilberforce Seewald b. February 6, 2017 (grandchild #7)
• Ivy Jane Seewald b. May 26, 2019 (grandchild #13)
• Fern Elliana Seewald b. July 18, 2021 (grandchild #21)
• George Augustine Seewald b. December 19, 2023 (grandchild #32)
• Edward Owen Seewald b. July 26, 2025 (grandchild #39)

-6. Jinger Nicole Duggar b. December 21, 1993 m. November 5, 2016 Jeremy Joseph Vuolo b. September 5, 1987

• Felicity Nicole Vuolo b. July 19, 2018 (grandchild #12)
• Evangeline Jo "Evy Jo" Vuolo b. November 22, 2020 (grandchild #19)
• Finnegan Charles "Finn" Vuolo b. March 28, 2025 (grandchild #37)

-7. Joseph Garrett "Joe" Duggar b. January 20, 1995 m. September 8, 2017 Kendra Renee Caldwell b. August 11, 1998

• Garrett David Duggar b. June 8, 2018 (grandchild #11)
• Addison Renee Duggar b. November 2, 2019 (grandchild #14)
• Brooklyn Praise Duggar b. February 19, 2021 (grandchild #20)
• Justus Duggar b. late May/early June 2022 (grandchild #25)

-8. Josiah Matthew Duggar b. August 28, 1996 m. October 1st 2018 Lauren Milagro Swanson b. May 18, 1999

• Bella Milagro Duggar b. November 8, 2019 (grandchild #15)
• Daisy Duggar b. March 28, 2022 (grandchild #23)
• Ezra Duggar b. early May 2023 (grandchild #29)
• Baby Boy Swanson-Duggar b. February 2025 (grandchild #36)

-9. Joy-Anna "Joy" Duggar b. October 28, 1997 m. May 26, 2017 Austin Martyn Forsyth b. December 11, 1993

• Gideon Martyn Forsyth b. February 26, 2018 (grandchild #10)
• Evelyn Mae "Evy" Forsyth b. August 21, 2020 (grandchild #18)
• Gunner James Forsyth b. May 17, 2023 (grandchild #30)

-10. Jedidiah Robert "Jed" Duggar b. December 30, 1998 m. April 3, 2021 Katelyn Koryn "Katey" Nakatsu b. July 29, 1998

• Truett Oliver Duggar b. May 2, 2022 (grandchild #24)
• Nora Kate Duggar b. May 24, 2023 (grandchild #31)
• Elsie Kate Duggar b. January 8, 2025 (grandchild #34)
• Emma Kate Duggar b. January 8, 2025 (grandchild #35)

-11. Jeremiah Robert "Jer" Duggar b. December 30, 1998 m. March 26, 2022 Hannah Marlys Wissmann b. June 23, 1995

• Brynley Noelle Duggar b. December 25, 2022 (grandchild #28)
• Brielle Grace Duggar b. February 19, 2024 (grandchild #33)
• Emery Jane "Emy" Duggar b. May 13, 2025 (grandchild #38)
• Baby Boy Wissmann-Duggar b. mid-late July 2026 (grandchild #42)

-12. Jason Michael Duggar b. April 21, 2000 m. October 3, 2024 Madison Grace Jones October 9, 2003

-13. James Andrew Duggar b. July 8, 2001

-14. Justin Samuel Duggar b. November 15, 2002 m. February 26, 2021 Claire Yvonne Spivey b. February 27, 2001

-15. Jackson Levi Duggar b. May 23, 2004

-16. Johannah Faith "Hannie" Duggar b. October 11, 2005 supposedly engaged to David Ames Swanson b. July 30, 2003

-17. Jennifer Danielle "Jenni" Duggar b. August 2, 2007

-18. Jordyn-Grace Makiya "Jordyn" Duggar b. December 18, 2008

-19. Josie Brooklyn Duggar b. December 10, 2009