Federal Judge Rules a Flock Search Was ‘Indiscriminate Mass Surveillance’ and Unconstitutional
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Federal Judge Rules a Flock Search Was ‘Indiscriminate Mass Surveillance’ and Unconstitutional

A federal judge in Oklahoma ruled Thursday that a police officer violated the Fourth Amendment rights of a woman accused of meth trafficking when he searched her license plate in Flock’s automated license plate reader system simply because her license plate was from California, then used her travel history as part of the reason to search her car. The judge’s opinion is one of the first times a federal judge has decided Flock searches can be unconstitutional, and suggested that Flock’s network is “a type of indiscriminate mass surveillance.”

The officer’s “use of the ALPR Systems was an Unconstitutional Warrantless Search,” and “was not supported by probable cause, and it was done without a warrant in violation of [the defendant’s] Fourth Amendment rights,” the judge, Sara Hill, wrote, implying that the law enforcement officer should have obtained a warrant before searching for the vehicle in Flock’s system. There are currently more than a hundred thousand warrantless searches of the Flock system every month, according to audit logs viewed by 404 Media. Hill's decision will not set a binding precedent and there are several other cases throughout the nation considering the legality of warrantless ALPR searches.

Hill argued that previous judge opinions saying Flock searches were not a Fourth Amendment violation because they track cars in public do not consider the context that Flock’s nationwide network is quickly “approaching dragnet-type law enforcement practice,” and that courts should update their understanding of the technology moving forward.

The circumstances of the court case are really interesting and highlight how commonplace Flock searches have become for police, and the depth of the information they can reveal. In May, a Tulsa County Deputy Sheriff named Freddie Alaniz was parked along the side of the highway in Oklahoma when he saw a Mazda SUV driven by a woman named Melisa Kyle with a California license plate pass by. “Alaniz then pulled his vehicle on the highway to follow the Mazda for no apparent reason other than the fact that it had a California license plate. Alaniz also ran a query on the Flock system for the California license plate number on the Mazda SUV,” Hill wrote. Alaniz then ostensibly pulled Kyle over for changing lanes without a turn signal.

Alaniz interrogated Kyle about her travel “while he continued to review the ALPR systems for the car she was driving,” the judge wrote. Alaniz made Kyle recount everything she had done in the last several days, and compared it to the Flock data. He told her that because she was only in California for a short period of time, he suspected her of trafficking drugs. He used her travel history as seen in the Flock system as part of the justification to search her car; she was found to have 91 pounds of meth in the vehicle. Hill ruled that all Flock evidence and all evidence from Alaniz’s search of the car must be thrown out.

“The Fourth Amendment requires courts to draw a line when the cost is too great. Alaniz’s search in just the ALPR system provided him with more than 50 individual records of Kyle’s whereabouts across the country for an entire month,” Hill wrote. “The Court finds that because the ALPR systems Alaniz used to search Kyle’s historical location information intruded on her reasonable expectation of privacy in the whole of her physical movements, it was a search under the Fourth Amendment. Based on the information in the record, the only reason Alaniz conducted that search was because he saw her license plate was from California.”

“The factors that the government relies upon are the same type of circumstances that everyday Americans encounter on long road trips for many legitimate reasons. Many of us drive longer than we want to get to a desired destination, or to no destination at all other than the road and sights ahead,” she added.

The decision is a landmark one, and comes in the aftermath of the Supreme Court’s Chatrie v United States decision that found police accessing a person’s digital data, including cell phone location data, constituted a search.

“The opinion is pretty amazing. It recognizes one thing that courts ignore which is the sheer breadth of these systems, that they collect so much information about so many people in a way that sets them apart. This decision ascribes appropriate weight to the fact police are building out this massive database that can reveal incredibly intimate details of people’s lives,” Michael Soyfer, a lawyer at the Institute for Justice, which has studied Flock camera abuse and is litigating several cases on Fourth Amendment grounds, told 404 Media. “It’s extremely important. The way courts have resolved these cases previously has been way too myopic and has ignored the depths of these systems and the sweeping modes of surveillance that allow police to reconstruct the movements of anyone in the country.”

Hill’s opinion also comes on the back of a decision earlier this week in a case the Institute for Justice brought. In that, a jury found a traffic stop scheme involving license plate reader scans done by U.S. Border Patrol as part of a predictive policing unit were unconstitutional.

The new decision also immediately invalidates the core argument that Flock’s CEO Garrett Langley has made saying that Flock was not a constitutional issue. “You and I don’t get to pick what’s a constitutional violation and what’s not. We have judges, we have elected officials, there’s a process for that. We follow the law, we follow the Constitution. So far, in our belief and what will be for a long time, the courts have deemed this is not a warrantless search; this is a valid product as it relates to the Fourth Amendment. So I don’t see any change there,” Langley told The Drive in July, adding the issue was “pretty cut and dry.”

Notably, Hill suggested that other courts that have ruled Flock searches do not constitute a Fourth Amendment search were likely wrong to do so, and that they have not considered the widespread and automated context of the AI-powered surveillance system.

Previous decisions that ruled ALPR searches do not require a warrant have leaned on a Supreme Court case called United States v Knotts, in which police put a tracking device in a chemical container after being tipped off that an employee of a chemical plant was stealing from their employer. That case was decided in 1983 and found, “[a] person travelling in an automobile on public thoroughfares has no reasonable expectation of privacy in his movements from one place to another.” But Hill wrote, “that language exists in the context of the facts presented in the case. Rather than a large-scale, dragnet-type surveillance system like the ALPR technology in this case, the Court in Knotts was confronted with much less sophisticated technology.”

“The Court acknowledges that people, in at least a broad sense, do not have a reasonable expectation of privacy in their movements on a public roadway,” Hill wrote. “But by virtue of how ALPR technology works, Alaniz and other officers using these systems have access to a continuously updated location history for all vehicles caught on ALPR cameras within the network. This is a type of indiscriminate mass surveillance. It is not targeted on a single individual, as in Carpenter [another Supreme Court case about phone data specifically]. It is a tool that collects information about all vehicles that pass by any network-connected camera at all times, and it serves up the information to law enforcement on demand.”

We have seen several cases in which cops have used Flock data to pull people over because they have crossed state lines, then have worked backward to justify their travel patterns as a reason to search their vehicles.

“We’re seeing that repeatedly with police flagging whatever they’ll call suspicious patterns of movement. Federal agents were using ALPRs to monitor cars making day trips across the border and back to manufacture a basis to stop them, interrogate the drivers and search them,” Soyfer said. “I think Flock is going to automate that using AI where cops can set alerts for those kinds of travel patterns. When we’re arguing these systems are very powerful and can show a lot about people’s movements, cops dismiss this as speculative or not possible, but then they deploy this strategy against people who they stop all the time.”

A Flock spokesperson told 404 Media, "Flock was not a party to this case. The ruling goes against the overwhelming weight of authority in similar cases across the country, including multiple recent decisions in Oklahoma, and we expect it will be appealed and ultimately overturned. This ruling is limited to the specific facts of this case. It does not set controlling precedent and does not affect law enforcement agencies’ continued use of these important public safety technologies."

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u/DeFlockYubaSutter — 12 days ago
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Flock Safety claims municipal data ownership — contractual loopholes grant perpetual licenses to retain and monetize derivative vehicle tracking data indefinitely

Flock Safety markets automated license plate readers to municipalities, promising customer ownership and short-term data retention. However, Section 4.1 of its Master Services Agreement forces cities to grant the company an irrevocable, perpetual license to ingest, manipulate, and disclose all collected vehicle data.

This corporate retention loophole secretly tracks everyday drivers across public roads. In August 2026, Sheboygan officials discovered Flock attempted to sell the city five years of historical traffic speed and movement data. While customer raw photos face deletion, Flock preserves modified derivative databases indefinitely.

The trajectory transforms local traffic monitoring into a permanent commercial surveillance monopoly. By reclassifying processed vehicle movements as proprietary derivative products, Flock evades standard 30-day municipal retention limits. Cities across Wisconsin, including Sheboygan and Racine, are now covering cameras and terminating contracts after uncovering this deceptive data monetization.

Unregulated private surveillance infrastructure strips communities of democratic control over their public streets. Without statutory bans on commercial derivative licensing in municipal procurement, vendors quietly monetize civilian movement data forever. Review your city's Flock Master Services Agreement, and demand your city council enact strict zero-retention clauses today.

Sources

Sheboygan canceling Flock contract over undisclosed data tracking

https://www.fox6now.com/news/sheboygan-canceling-flock-contract-over-undisclosed-data-tracking

FOX6 Milwaukee investigative report revealing that Flock Safety offered to sell five years of undisclosed vehicle speed and movement data back to the City of Sheboygan.

Sheboygan Common Council votes to end Flock camera contract

https://www.fox6now.com/news/sheboygan-common-council-votes-end-flock-camera-contract

FOX6 Milwaukee reporting on the Sheboygan Common Council's unanimous vote to terminate its Flock Safety agreement following revelations of undisclosed data collection and contract violations.

Flock Safety cameras in Sheboygan covered up by city

https://wisconsinwatch.org/2026/08/wisconsin-sheboygan-flock-safety-cameras-covered-up-police-license-plate-reader/

Wisconsin Watch and WPR report detailing the municipal backlash as Sheboygan police covered all 15 Flock cameras in plastic bags after discovering unauthorized data tracking.

Terms and Conditions - Flock Safety

https://www.flocksafety.com/legal/terms-and-conditions

Flock Safety's official legal terms documenting Section 4.1, which grants the company an irrevocable, perpetual, worldwide license to use and disclose customer data.

Too Little, Too Late: Flock Admits Their Technology Needs Reforms

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2026/08/too-little-too-late-flock-admits-their-technology-needs-reforms

Electronic Frontier Foundation analysis explaining that reducing default retention to seven days fails to resolve the structural privacy threats and commercial incentives of mass ALPR surveillance.

u/CollapsingTheWave — 14 days ago
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Hackers Got Inside a Flock Camera. Its Data Shows How the System Really Works

"A hacker collective pulled down a Flock camera and dumped its data. The files included thousands of videos and logs showing that the device captured 1.6 million images of 50,000 vehicles in 21 days.

The software running on the camera explicitly detects people, something which is typically overlooked in discussions around Flock cameras. When it spots a person, it records where they appear in the image and how confident it is in the detection.

To test what the software could actually see, WIRED extracted the models from the camera’s files and ran them against test images and footage recovered from the device. The models readily detected people, including a selfie of a reporter."

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#Flock #DeFlock #Axon #Surveillance #AxonAxoff #fyp #trending

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u/DeFlockYubaSutter — 29 days ago
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Sheboygan bagged 15 Flock cameras after a sales email offered traffic-speed metadata the city says it never bought

On 25 August 2026 Sheboygan Police Chief Kurt Zempel and City Administrator Casey Bradley posted that they will ask Common Council on 8 September to terminate the Flock Safety contract. The department has run 15 ALPRs since early 2024. Staff covered the units after a July review found vendor conduct “inconsistent with the terms and expectations of the City’s contract.”

Mayor Ryan Sorenson told FOX6 that a Flock sales representative emailed Engineering earlier in the summer offering five years of speed and movement data captured by Flock cameras. City officials said they had not been told the devices compiled that class of traffic analytics. Cameras installed in 2024 cannot themselves hold five local years; the documented fact is the offer and the city’s claim of non-disclosure, not a verified five-year Sheboygan archive.

Flock’s December 2025 and February 2026 terms treat analyses, reports, models, and other outputs generated through the service as Flock IP or Flock Property. Customers keep title to defined Customer Data but grant a perpetual license for Flock to use that data to provide and improve products. Public marketing still says customers own and control their data.

Kenosha Police Chief Patrick Patton cited the same trust problem when ending Flock a year early for Axon Outpost. Fond du Lac and Racine counties announced exits the same week. The open question for 8 September is whether termination language also covers derivative traffic products Flock already built from those plates.

Sources

http://www.sheboyganwi.gov/m/newsflash/Home/Detail/94

City of Sheboygan 25 August 2026 statement that Chief Zempel and Administrator Bradley will seek contract termination on 8 September and that 15 cameras have been covered.

https://www.fox6now.com/news/sheboygan-canceling-flock-contract-over-undisclosed-data-tracking

FOX6 report of 3 September 2026 quoting Mayor Sorenson on the Engineering Department sales email offering five years of speed and movement data.

https://www.fox6now.com/news/sheboygan-police-cover-flock-cameras-seek-contract-termination

FOX6 report of 26 August 2026 documenting trash-bag covers on the 15 cameras and the July consistency review.

https://www.wpr.org/news/flock-safety-cameras-sheboygan-covered-by-city

Wisconsin Public Radio 28 August 2026 account of the cover-up and Sorenson’s statement that the decision follows an erosion of trust in how Flock used city data.

https://www.fox6now.com/news/kenosha-police-ending-flock-contract-moving-axon

FOX6 report of 2 September 2026 that Kenosha Chief Patrick Patton is ending Flock early for Axon after unanswered questions on capabilities and access.

https://haveibeenflocked.com/blog/terms-feb2026/comparison-dec-feb.pdf

Side-by-side of Flock’s December 2025 and February 2026 terms defining derivative works, analyses, and models as Flock Property and granting a perpetual product-improvement license.

u/CollapsingTheWave — 1 month ago
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OUTRAGE: Flock Safety CEO, Garrett Langley, Pleads For Public “Compromise” On Mass Surveillance Cameras, As A Grand Jury Refuses To Indict A Man Caught Destroying The Company’s Camera Pole & Backlash Against Flock Reaches Its Breaking Point 🤯💥

Flock Safety CEO Garrett Langley is publicly appealing for a middle ground on his company’s AI-powered surveillance network as backlash against the technology reaches a breaking point, according to Futurism. “When people talk about just one of these, privacy or safety, they’re prioritizing the wrong thing, and what we have to prioritize as a country is compromise,” Langley said in a recent Fox News interview, as spotted by TechCrunch. “How do we have our safety, and how do we balance privacy?” The comments represent Langley’s latest attempt to salvage the company’s reputation as residents in municipalities hosting Flock’s cameras stage fierce protests, and in some cases, vigilantes have physically torn down or obstructed the devices. Beyond concerns about the mass surveillance itself, much of the outrage has centered on documented abuse of the Flock network by law enforcement officers who were granted access to it.

The controversy escalated significantly earlier this month when Langley issued a public apology following a Washington Post investigation that uncovered at least 50 cases of rogue police officers allegedly misusing Flock cameras and similar systems, including instances of using the technology to stalk women. In an earlier damage-control interview, Langley had characterized the backlash as rooted in misunderstanding, insisting “we’re not Big Brother.” Facing mounting pressure from both the public and lawmakers, Flock announced it would shorten its default footage retention window from 30 days to seven and require law enforcement customers to implement an audit tool designed to flag abnormal searches within the system. But these changes have failed to satisfy critics. The American Civil Liberties Union called the moves “a step in the right direction” while ultimately dismissing them as “merely retreads of previous inadequate safety measures,” and pointedly noted that the shortened retention period isn’t even mandatory, since customers can override it.

Despite the skepticism, Langley maintained in the Fox News interview that Flock is genuinely committed to accountability. “Today, it is too often that in Flock and in other technologies, there’s no regulation,” he said. “There’s no accountability, and we think that’s wrong.” Yet the company’s public standing may already be beyond the point where rhetorical commitments can repair it. Last week, a grand jury in Ohio declined to indict a man caught on Flock’s own surveillance footage destroying one of the company’s camera poles, a remarkably telling outcome given that grand juries historically bring charges against defendants in the overwhelming majority of cases. That a jury looked at clear video evidence of the act and still refused to indict suggests public sentiment toward Flock’s surveillance network has soured to the point where even ordinary legal norms are bending against the company.

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u/Alena_Tensor — 2 months ago
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Elk Grove residents’ Flock camera data shared with thousands of groups, audit finds

An audit of the use of automatic license plate readers in Elk Grove found that more than 3,600 organizations made more than 8.3 million searches of residents’ data over the last five years, including at least 290 agencies without data-sharing agreements and out-of-state, federal and non-governmental entities.

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u/DeFlockYubaSutter — 2 months ago
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Flock removed officer names from its public audit logs after people used them to catch police misusing license plate readers

Atlanta News First Investigates reported on July 17 that it identified at least 20 cases in Georgia over the past year where officers were fired, arrested, or removed from duty over allegations they used a Flock license plate reader database for personal reasons.

Flock's response?

Remove the officer names from the audit logs 🤦‍♂️

Full write-up and source links: https://s.vp.net/Cmxen

u/DeFlockYubaSutter — 3 months ago
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During Flock discussion, councilmember cold calls city attorney; receives crash course in 4A law

Last night, the City of Costa Mesa, California, discussed whether it should keep its contract with Flock, after Costa Mesa police officer Robert Jay Josett was caught making unauthorized queries in CLETS and Flock, targeting his wife, his mistress, and his mistress’s other romantic interests.

Residents provided five hours of testimony in opposition to Flock. Costa Mesa city council voted 6-1 to keep the contract.

More at https://footnote4a.org/news/costa-mesa-regime

u/DeFlockYubaSutter — 3 months ago
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Privacy Versus State Surveillance Fight Begins as Expanding Government Control Alarms Conservatives and Liberals Alike

The speaker states the state has no business looking at anyone who has done nothing wrong. Without proof of wrongdoing the government holds no right to watch people at all.

Claims of innocence mean nothing against power that needs no limits. This structure leaves personal control open to constant intrusion and strips individual sovereignty.

State control spreads in new forms without clear bounds. Looking remains hidden because no prior proof is ever required.

Adoption creates lasting forced compliance for everyone. Conservatives and liberals alike must stay alarmed and ready to fight for the founders’ limit that some crimes stay unsolved rather than accept total surveillance.

u/DeFlockYubaSutter — 3 months ago