u/JoeBrownshoes

They all must be gathering somewhere and developing this patter of "that's gonna be a ____," "Repeat back what I just said, go ahead" and "....since you're not tracking" etc. etc.

It's a whole routine with slang that sounds like hippies or mods or punks or something. Like.... it's a movement.

Do we know who patient zero is on this? Is there one guy they're emulating or did a culture just form on their discords?

I have these dumb debates with myself when I'm walking or trying to sleep or whatever and I was trying to come up with an answer to the problem of evil and I thought I had it until someone made a comment that made me see the fatal weakness.

I feel I've heard people kind of skirt around this argument without actually stating it directly so here it is:

We can agree that God can be considered all powerful without being considered able to do logical contradictions. E.g. the "God can't make a square circle" argument.

So ok, God can't do logical impossibilities. Then for the problem of suffering (it's not really the problem of evil, because evil implies intent, this is the problem of suffering) we can just say that its a logical impossibility to make a world where free, thinking entities can experience happiness if there is no possibility of ever experiencing suffering.

I.e. if you lived in a perfect world where there was no possibility that anything undesired would ever happen to you, you'd never so much as stub your toe, never mind getting bone cancer, then you would also never know joy, happiness, any good feeling whatsoever. I.e. you can't have dry without wet.

I think that's pretty air tight. God decided he wanted to make people and he wanted them to feel joy, but its logically impossible for that to exist in a world where zero suffering or calamity is possible. And you could add that God made the world to include random suffering like malaria etc. because had to be random and unfair since if it only happened to bad people or as entailed consequences of bad actions, then a well behaved human would never have anything befall them and you'd not only have the first problem but the issue of making terrified slaves to goodness which again wouldn't be a happy condition.

You might ask why he wanted to make people at all but that's kind of a separate debate.

So I think that's pretty airtight. The first issue was that God created Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden where they wouldn't experience suffering. But you could just say that he knew they would fall and then they would be introduced to suffering and maybe a necessary part of that is that humanity feels its "their fault" or they needed to realize they lost paradise to know that it was an attainable concept. Just spit balling.

The only real fatal flaw that I didn't notice till someone said it in response to another comment, was that God promises us an existence without suffering. That's the goal he sets up. So if we could be happy in heaven then could we not have been happy if we'd just gone straight there in the first place.

Although as I type this, I realize there is an argument for that that maybe we had to pass through an existence that includes suffering before we could understand an appreciate what we would have in heaven.

When people try to argue this point I always hear that "we have free will" which is easily refuted by saying that landslides and malaria are not related to free will so you still have those to explain. I've never heard someone put forward the idea that its a logical impossibility to experience joy and happiness if the possibility of suffering did not exist.

Or people say "We live in a fallen world" which is answered by saying "Did God have to cause the fall?" and the Christian will say "No" because they are do not want to admit that God is not all powerful. But you can freely admit that God cannot do a logical contradiction and both sides will typically agree that that doesn't make God not all powerful.

I dunno, like I say, this is just the stuff I chew on in my head when I am not otherwise entertained.

What argument would you use to refute this? Is there something I'm not seeing?

Are you over 18?

Do you believe in some kind of God?

And....

If you had three legs how would you buy shoes?

Or

If your car was under 3 feet of water and you couldn't find a tow truck, how would you get it out?

Or

If you found out you had a long lost brother would you like to meet them?

Just something to check the mental functioning of the caller. If they can't handle a hypothetical then just drop em.

Only problem is that most callers couldn't past the test so we'd never have any content!

Someone tries to explain something to him, mentions the word "South" any Oakley just starts shouting that "SOUTH IS A FLAT EARTH DIRECTION."

I mean I guess you can win any debate if you never listen to anyone else's point and just shout that you are correct instead. What a champion.

Clearly the biggest turd in the flat earth toilet, and that's quite an accomplishment.