u/QuestionNo9190

Going down the rabbit hole I have discovered other sellers of possible fake miyota clones except these look more genuine.

And these wholesale in bulk for $35-40 and possibly manufactured in China, and the seller has posted real videos and pictures of the actual product which looks genuine.

Could it be a bait and switch? Or could it be that Chinese watch factories bought a million of these movements back in 2009 when they used to cost $20 bucks and are still distributing them to microbrands in China or other grey markets? Perhaps they are overstock or factory rejects? Or just.... Excellent Clones. We all know what Dandong is capable of producing.

My research on Miyota shows they will not sell movements in bulk to just any oems and lead times takes several months as they are built to order.

The fact this Chinese watch company based in Ghangzhou can ship you 10,000 pieces within a week at lower than Miyotas own distributor pricing seems suspicious, but I'm no expert.

If there ARE thousands of these miyota 9s just collecting dust on a shelf in China somewhere, why do so few microbrands use them? Unless they can still bulk wholesale pt5000 and st2130 for....$5?

Hopefully our resident Cadisen affiliate can come in and clarify for us...

So has anybody gotten to the bottom of the various printed miyota 9 rotors?

Can we trust that cheap micros like cronos are actually using real miyota 9s in their $200 watches?

I don't see any reason why a seller would advertise a miyota as a Hangzhou movement, except for being honest and losing money.

Does miyota sub contract to Hangzhou for it's Chinese market?

I have a chance to buy a 9015 watch so I want to make sure it's legit if I'm going to pay a premium over the pt5000 version

Hello. I like what I see with the new 5512B. Isnt the pt5000 better than the st2130?

I read that seagull have old worn out tooling while hkpt is making much better movements nowadays. Why the switch to the st2130? Is it an upgrade or a downgrade? I've also read there might be a pt5000 shortage so micros are moving back to st2130.

Is hand winding more reliable than pt5000 or also not advisable?

I also do not see the difference in the rehaut slope from my current v2. Any close up differences?

How come mayweek18 does not work on early bird specials even if I'm buying 2 pieces (bringing total over $149?)

Is blue or hulk 5512 coming soon?

Who makes these fake miyotas and how do you tell the difference between fake when there's another listing making fake marked rotors? You just combine the two.

It's becoming a sewer trying to build or source movements over Ali.

Hard to find info about fake miyotas, a lot of micros claim that the fake miyotas are also real and that nobody can make a fake miyota 9 and these are just generic Chinese factory versions for different markets that are made outside of Japan.

Sounds like something a microbrand would say when they are using fake miyota 9 movements passing them off as real...

Here's the real TMI nh35 vs the fake nh35 (hangzhou 2526) that's circling around all over Ali express trying to be pawned off as the real deal.

Though you can easily tell by inspection of the movement, a quick easy way would be to ask for a picture of the date on "1O" as the original is much closer together while the hangzhou is more like "1 O"

Hope that helps somebody

1st picture overlapped

2nd picture TMI nh35

3rd picture hangzhou 2526

I used to think all the Ali brands were getting the cyclops wrong because they are trying to be like Gen with 2.5x Magnification which ended up looking wrong because the rehaut is too deep and causing magnification closer to 3.5x

Then I saw an older thread where they used to get the cyclops completely right. Why make this change when you had it damn near perfect before at 1.5x magnification or whatever. Sugess and cronos had it right in the past.

Now half the time the date wheel doesn't even fit inside the cyclops and it gets cut off on the sides or you can't even read it. Y tho

Is today the 7th? No it's the 17th!

Ridiculous