Evangelismo, Conservadorismo, Tradicionalismo e a SSPX: quatro coisas que muitos católicos confundem

Nas últimas semanas, por causa das novas consagrações episcopais da Fraternidade Sacerdotal São Pio X (FSSPX), vi muitas pessoas tratando como se todos os conservadores, todos os tradicionalistas e todos os católicos que gostam da Missa em latim fossem a mesma coisa.

Historicamente e teologicamente, isso não é verdade.

  1. O católico conservador

O conservador católico procura preservar a doutrina, a moral e a liturgia da Igreja, mas permanece em plena comunhão com o Papa e com o Magistério.

Pode criticar abusos litúrgicos, defender uma liturgia mais solene e até preferir o Missal de 1962, mas reconhece a legitimidade do Concílio Vaticano II e dos papas posteriores.

Nesse sentido, Bento XVI é um excelente exemplo. Ele criticou interpretações equivocadas do Vaticano II, mas jamais negou sua legitimidade. Pelo contrário, propôs a famosa hermenêutica da reforma na continuidade.

  1. O tradicionalista

O tradicionalista normalmente entende que boa parte das reformas posteriores ao Vaticano II representou um afastamento da tradição.

Nem todo tradicionalista rompe com Roma. Existem institutos em plena comunhão com a Santa Sé, como a FSSP e o Instituto Cristo Rei.

Entretanto, existe um setor do tradicionalismo que interpreta o Vaticano II como uma ruptura. É justamente aí que começam os problemas eclesiológicos.

  1. A FSSPX

A FSSPX não é protestante, nem oficialmente sedevacantista.

Ela reconhece o Papa, mas mantém uma situação canônica irregular e há décadas vive em tensão com Roma por causa da interpretação do Vaticano II, da liberdade religiosa, do ecumenismo e, mais recentemente, das consagrações episcopais sem mandato pontifício.

O problema nunca foi simplesmente celebrar a Missa em latim.

O problema é a comunhão e a obediência ao Magistério.

  1. O sedevacantismo

O sedevacantismo vai além.

Para os sedevacantistas, os papas posteriores ao Vaticano II não seriam papas legítimos.

Essa posição é incompatível com a doutrina católica.

Embora a SSPX oficialmente rejeite o sedevacantismo, é um fato histórico que diversos padres e grupos que passaram pela Fraternidade acabaram aderindo posteriormente ao sedevacantismo.

  1. E os evangélicos?

Também é importante não colocar todos os protestantes no mesmo grupo.

Existe uma diferença enorme entre:

luteranos;

reformados (calvinistas);

anglicanos;

metodistas;

presbiterianos;

pentecostais;

neopentecostais.

Da mesma forma que não faz sentido dizer que todo tradicionalista é sedevacantista, também não faz sentido tratar toda igreja protestante como se fosse neopentecostal.

Aliás, muitos dos métodos de pregação emocional, leitura extremamente literal da Bíblia e linguagem de "guerra espiritual" são características muito mais presentes em setores pentecostais e neopentecostais do que nas igrejas históricas da Reforma.

  1. A verdadeira discussão

Na minha opinião, o verdadeiro debate não é entre "latim" e "vernáculo", nem entre "tradicional" e "moderno".

O centro da questão é outro:

Como permanecer fiel à Tradição da Igreja sem romper a comunhão com o Papa e com o Magistério?

Foi exatamente essa a preocupação de Bento XVI.

Ele rejeitou tanto a interpretação progressista de ruptura quanto a interpretação tradicionalista que via o Vaticano II como uma traição da Igreja.

Sua resposta foi a hermenêutica da reforma na continuidade.

  1. O caso brasileiro

No Brasil também estamos vendo esse fenômeno crescer.

Existem comunidades plenamente católicas, conservadoras e em comunhão com Roma.

Mas também surgiram canais e grupos que passaram a defender explicitamente as posições da FSSPX e, em alguns casos, discursos muito próximos do sedevacantismo, negando a legitimidade do Concílio Vaticano II ou tratando os papas pós-conciliares como responsáveis pela "destruição da Igreja".

Isso merece atenção pastoral e teológica, porque a história mostra que a perda da comunhão normalmente começa com a rejeição da autoridade do Magistério antes de se transformar em uma ruptura explícita.

Conclusão

A Igreja sempre se reformou.

Foi assim em Niceia.

Foi assim em Trento.

Foi assim no Vaticano I.

E foi assim no Vaticano II.

Como ensinava Bento XVI, a verdadeira Tradição não é uma fotografia congelada do século XVI nem uma ruptura com o passado. É uma realidade viva, guiada pelo Espírito Santo, que permanece fiel ao depósito da fé enquanto responde aos desafios de cada época.

Referências

Bento XVI – Discurso à Cúria Romana (22 de dezembro de 2005).

São João Paulo II – Ecclesia Dei (1988).

São João Henry Newman – An Essay on the Development of Christian Doctrine.

Yves Congar – True and False Reform in the Church.

John W. O'Malley – What Happened at Vatican II.

Hubert Jedin – History of the Council of Trent.

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u/joebraga2 — 2 days ago

Traditionalism, Vatican II and the Hermeneutic of Continuity: Why I Think the Debate Is Often Oversimplified

One thing that has always puzzled me is how polarized discussions about Catholic traditionalism have become. Too often, every criticism of the SSPX or of certain traditionalist movements is dismissed as "modernism," while every defense of Vatican II is portrayed as a rupture with the Church's past. I don't think either position reflects the Church's own understanding.

First, I want to make an important distinction: not every traditional Catholic is an SSPX supporter, and not every critic of Vatican II belongs to the SSPX. Likewise, not every supporter of Vatican II embraces the so-called "Spirit of Vatican II." These distinctions matter.

Benedict XVI's Hermeneutic of Continuity

Joseph Ratzinger (later Pope Benedict XVI) was not simply a pope commenting on Vatican II decades later. He was one of the Council's theological experts (peritus) and spent much of his academic life explaining how the Council should be interpreted.

In his famous address to the Roman Curia (22 December 2005), Benedict XVI rejected both extremes:

the "hermeneutic of discontinuity and rupture", which sees Vatican II as creating a completely new Church;

and the opposite tendency of freezing the Church in one historical period as though authentic Catholicism ended at Trent or before the Council.

Instead, he proposed the "hermeneutic of reform in continuity."

That principle remains, in my opinion, the best framework for understanding the Council.

The Church Has Always Developed

Many people seem to forget that Catholic history is a history of development.

The Council of Trent itself was a response to one of the greatest crises in Christian history. Martin Luther initially sought reform within the Church before the conflict eventually became an irreversible separation.

Likewise, Vatican II did not appear out of nowhere. It emerged from decades of Catholic biblical scholarship, liturgical renewal, patristic studies, Thomistic renewal (ressourcement), Catholic social teaching after Leo XIII's Rerum Novarum (1891), and extensive theological work by Catholic bishops and theologians.

Recognizing this historical development does not mean rejecting Tradition. It means understanding that Tradition is living.

As St. John Henry Newman argued in his Essay on the Development of Christian Doctrine, authentic doctrine develops while preserving its identity.

The Problem Is Ecclesiology, Not Latin

Personally, I have no objection to Latin, Gregorian chant or the Traditional Latin Mass.

My concern is ecclesiology.

The issue becomes serious when groups begin to reject the ordinary Magisterium, question ecumenical councils, or perform episcopal consecrations without papal mandate despite explicit requests from the Holy See.

At that point the discussion is no longer about liturgical preference.

It becomes a question of communion with the Church.

Catholic Social Teaching Is Also Part of Tradition

Another point often forgotten is that Catholic Tradition includes the Church's social teaching.

Beginning with Leo XIII, continuing through Pius XI, John XXIII, Paul VI, John Paul II, Benedict XVI, and Francis, the Church has consistently criticized both revolutionary socialism and unrestricted economic liberalism.

This is often overlooked.

Some traditionalist circles strongly emphasize the Church's condemnations of Marxism while giving far less attention to its equally strong critiques of economic exploitation, excessive inequality, unjust wages, and unrestricted capitalism.

That balance is part of Catholic Tradition as well.

Charismatic Renewal and Traditionalism

Even debates about the Catholic Charismatic Renewal are often oversimplified.

Some traditional Catholics criticize charismatic spirituality because they believe it borrows excessively from Pentecostal worship styles.

Others defend it as a legitimate spirituality fully recognized by successive popes.

Again, the central question is not personal preference.

The central question is communion with the Church and fidelity to the Magisterium.

Conclusion

For me, the debate is not about choosing between Vatican II and Trent.

Nor is it about choosing between Latin and the vernacular.

The real question is whether we interpret Catholic Tradition through rupture or through continuity.

Ironically, some groups that accuse Vatican II of creating a rupture sometimes adopt the very "hermeneutic of rupture" Benedict XVI warned against.

If Benedict XVI's theology is taken seriously, then authentic Catholic Tradition cannot be separated from communion with Peter, the living Magisterium, and the Church's continuous development throughout history.

Suggested academic references

Pope Benedict XVI (2005). Address to the Roman Curia (Hermeneutic of Reform in Continuity).

St. John Henry Newman. An Essay on the Development of Christian Doctrine.

Pope Leo XIII. Rerum Novarum (1891).

Pope Benedict XVI. Caritas in Veritate (2009).

Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. Libertatis Nuntius (1984).

Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. Libertatis Conscientia (1986).

Vatican II: Lumen Gentium, Dei Verbum, Sacrosanctum Concilium, Gaudium et Spes.

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u/joebraga2 — 3 days ago

Traditionalism, Vatican II and the Hermeneutic of Continuity: Why I Think the Debate Is Often Oversimplified

One thing that has always puzzled me is how polarized discussions about Catholic traditionalism have become. Too often, every criticism of the SSPX or of certain traditionalist movements is dismissed as "modernism," while every defense of Vatican II is portrayed as a rupture with the Church's past. I don't think either position reflects the Church's own understanding.

First, I want to make an important distinction: not every traditional Catholic is an SSPX supporter, and not every critic of Vatican II belongs to the SSPX. Likewise, not every supporter of Vatican II embraces the so-called "Spirit of Vatican II." These distinctions matter.

Benedict XVI's Hermeneutic of Continuity

Joseph Ratzinger (later Pope Benedict XVI) was not simply a pope commenting on Vatican II decades later. He was one of the Council's theological experts (peritus) and spent much of his academic life explaining how the Council should be interpreted.

In his famous address to the Roman Curia (22 December 2005), Benedict XVI rejected both extremes:

the "hermeneutic of discontinuity and rupture", which sees Vatican II as creating a completely new Church;

and the opposite tendency of freezing the Church in one historical period as though authentic Catholicism ended at Trent or before the Council.

Instead, he proposed the "hermeneutic of reform in continuity."

That principle remains, in my opinion, the best framework for understanding the Council.

The Church Has Always Developed

Many people seem to forget that Catholic history is a history of development.

The Council of Trent itself was a response to one of the greatest crises in Christian history. Martin Luther initially sought reform within the Church before the conflict eventually became an irreversible separation.

Likewise, Vatican II did not appear out of nowhere. It emerged from decades of Catholic biblical scholarship, liturgical renewal, patristic studies, Thomistic renewal (ressourcement), Catholic social teaching after Leo XIII's Rerum Novarum (1891), and extensive theological work by Catholic bishops and theologians.

Recognizing this historical development does not mean rejecting Tradition. It means understanding that Tradition is living.

As St. John Henry Newman argued in his Essay on the Development of Christian Doctrine, authentic doctrine develops while preserving its identity.

The Problem Is Ecclesiology, Not Latin

Personally, I have no objection to Latin, Gregorian chant or the Traditional Latin Mass.

My concern is ecclesiology.

The issue becomes serious when groups begin to reject the ordinary Magisterium, question ecumenical councils, or perform episcopal consecrations without papal mandate despite explicit requests from the Holy See.

At that point the discussion is no longer about liturgical preference.

It becomes a question of communion with the Church.

Catholic Social Teaching Is Also Part of Tradition

Another point often forgotten is that Catholic Tradition includes the Church's social teaching.

Beginning with Leo XIII, continuing through Pius XI, John XXIII, Paul VI, John Paul II, Benedict XVI, and Francis, the Church has consistently criticized both revolutionary socialism and unrestricted economic liberalism.

This is often overlooked.

Some traditionalist circles strongly emphasize the Church's condemnations of Marxism while giving far less attention to its equally strong critiques of economic exploitation, excessive inequality, unjust wages, and unrestricted capitalism.

That balance is part of Catholic Tradition as well.

Charismatic Renewal and Traditionalism

Even debates about the Catholic Charismatic Renewal are often oversimplified.

Some traditional Catholics criticize charismatic spirituality because they believe it borrows excessively from Pentecostal worship styles.

Others defend it as a legitimate spirituality fully recognized by successive popes.

Again, the central question is not personal preference.

The central question is communion with the Church and fidelity to the Magisterium.

Conclusion

For me, the debate is not about choosing between Vatican II and Trent.

Nor is it about choosing between Latin and the vernacular.

The real question is whether we interpret Catholic Tradition through rupture or through continuity.

Ironically, some groups that accuse Vatican II of creating a rupture sometimes adopt the very "hermeneutic of rupture" Benedict XVI warned against.

If Benedict XVI's theology is taken seriously, then authentic Catholic Tradition cannot be separated from communion with Peter, the living Magisterium, and the Church's continuous development throughout history.

Suggested academic references

Pope Benedict XVI (2005). Address to the Roman Curia (Hermeneutic of Reform in Continuity).

St. John Henry Newman. An Essay on the Development of Christian Doctrine.

Pope Leo XIII. Rerum Novarum (1891).

Pope Benedict XVI. Caritas in Veritate (2009).

Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. Libertatis Nuntius (1984).

Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. Libertatis Conscientia (1986).

Vatican II: Lumen Gentium, Dei Verbum, Sacrosanctum Concilium, Gaudium et Spes.

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u/joebraga2 — 3 days ago

Traditionalism, Vatican II and the Hermeneutic of Continuity: Why I Think the Debate Is Often Oversimplified

One thing that has always puzzled me is how polarized discussions about Catholic traditionalism have become. Too often, every criticism of the SSPX or of certain traditionalist movements is dismissed as "modernism," while every defense of Vatican II is portrayed as a rupture with the Church's past. I don't think either position reflects the Church's own understanding.

First, I want to make an important distinction: not every traditional Catholic is an SSPX supporter, and not every critic of Vatican II belongs to the SSPX. Likewise, not every supporter of Vatican II embraces the so-called "Spirit of Vatican II." These distinctions matter.

Benedict XVI's Hermeneutic of Continuity

Joseph Ratzinger (later Pope Benedict XVI) was not simply a pope commenting on Vatican II decades later. He was one of the Council's theological experts (peritus) and spent much of his academic life explaining how the Council should be interpreted.

In his famous address to the Roman Curia (22 December 2005), Benedict XVI rejected both extremes:

the "hermeneutic of discontinuity and rupture", which sees Vatican II as creating a completely new Church;

and the opposite tendency of freezing the Church in one historical period as though authentic Catholicism ended at Trent or before the Council.

Instead, he proposed the "hermeneutic of reform in continuity."

That principle remains, in my opinion, the best framework for understanding the Council.

The Church Has Always Developed

Many people seem to forget that Catholic history is a history of development.

The Council of Trent itself was a response to one of the greatest crises in Christian history. Martin Luther initially sought reform within the Church before the conflict eventually became an irreversible separation.

Likewise, Vatican II did not appear out of nowhere. It emerged from decades of Catholic biblical scholarship, liturgical renewal, patristic studies, Thomistic renewal (ressourcement), Catholic social teaching after Leo XIII's Rerum Novarum (1891), and extensive theological work by Catholic bishops and theologians.

Recognizing this historical development does not mean rejecting Tradition. It means understanding that Tradition is living.

As St. John Henry Newman argued in his Essay on the Development of Christian Doctrine, authentic doctrine develops while preserving its identity.

The Problem Is Ecclesiology, Not Latin

Personally, I have no objection to Latin, Gregorian chant or the Traditional Latin Mass.

My concern is ecclesiology.

The issue becomes serious when groups begin to reject the ordinary Magisterium, question ecumenical councils, or perform episcopal consecrations without papal mandate despite explicit requests from the Holy See.

At that point the discussion is no longer about liturgical preference.

It becomes a question of communion with the Church.

Catholic Social Teaching Is Also Part of Tradition

Another point often forgotten is that Catholic Tradition includes the Church's social teaching.

Beginning with Leo XIII, continuing through Pius XI, John XXIII, Paul VI, John Paul II, Benedict XVI, and Francis, the Church has consistently criticized both revolutionary socialism and unrestricted economic liberalism.

This is often overlooked.

Some traditionalist circles strongly emphasize the Church's condemnations of Marxism while giving far less attention to its equally strong critiques of economic exploitation, excessive inequality, unjust wages, and unrestricted capitalism.

That balance is part of Catholic Tradition as well.

Charismatic Renewal and Traditionalism

Even debates about the Catholic Charismatic Renewal are often oversimplified.

Some traditional Catholics criticize charismatic spirituality because they believe it borrows excessively from Pentecostal worship styles.

Others defend it as a legitimate spirituality fully recognized by successive popes.

Again, the central question is not personal preference.

The central question is communion with the Church and fidelity to the Magisterium.

Conclusion

For me, the debate is not about choosing between Vatican II and Trent.

Nor is it about choosing between Latin and the vernacular.

The real question is whether we interpret Catholic Tradition through rupture or through continuity.

Ironically, some groups that accuse Vatican II of creating a rupture sometimes adopt the very "hermeneutic of rupture" Benedict XVI warned against.

If Benedict XVI's theology is taken seriously, then authentic Catholic Tradition cannot be separated from communion with Peter, the living Magisterium, and the Church's continuous development throughout history.

Suggested academic references

Pope Benedict XVI (2005). Address to the Roman Curia (Hermeneutic of Reform in Continuity).

St. John Henry Newman. An Essay on the Development of Christian Doctrine.

Pope Leo XIII. Rerum Novarum (1891).

Pope Benedict XVI. Caritas in Veritate (2009).

Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. Libertatis Nuntius (1984).

Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. Libertatis Conscientia (1986).

Vatican II: Lumen Gentium, Dei Verbum, Sacrosanctum Concilium, Gaudium et Spes.

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u/joebraga2 — 4 days ago

Traditionalism, Vatican II and the Hermeneutic of Continuity: Why I Think the Debate Is Often Oversimplified

One thing that has always puzzled me is how polarized discussions about Catholic traditionalism have become. Too often, every criticism of the SSPX or of certain traditionalist movements is dismissed as "modernism," while every defense of Vatican II is portrayed as a rupture with the Church's past. I don't think either position reflects the Church's own understanding.

First, I want to make an important distinction: not every traditional Catholic is an SSPX supporter, and not every critic of Vatican II belongs to the SSPX. Likewise, not every supporter of Vatican II embraces the so-called "Spirit of Vatican II." These distinctions matter.

Benedict XVI's Hermeneutic of Continuity

Joseph Ratzinger (later Pope Benedict XVI) was not simply a pope commenting on Vatican II decades later. He was one of the Council's theological experts (peritus) and spent much of his academic life explaining how the Council should be interpreted.

In his famous address to the Roman Curia (22 December 2005), Benedict XVI rejected both extremes:

the "hermeneutic of discontinuity and rupture", which sees Vatican II as creating a completely new Church;

and the opposite tendency of freezing the Church in one historical period as though authentic Catholicism ended at Trent or before the Council.

Instead, he proposed the "hermeneutic of reform in continuity."

That principle remains, in my opinion, the best framework for understanding the Council.

The Church Has Always Developed

Many people seem to forget that Catholic history is a history of development.

The Council of Trent itself was a response to one of the greatest crises in Christian history. Martin Luther initially sought reform within the Church before the conflict eventually became an irreversible separation.

Likewise, Vatican II did not appear out of nowhere. It emerged from decades of Catholic biblical scholarship, liturgical renewal, patristic studies, Thomistic renewal (ressourcement), Catholic social teaching after Leo XIII's Rerum Novarum (1891), and extensive theological work by Catholic bishops and theologians.

Recognizing this historical development does not mean rejecting Tradition. It means understanding that Tradition is living.

As St. John Henry Newman argued in his Essay on the Development of Christian Doctrine, authentic doctrine develops while preserving its identity.

The Problem Is Ecclesiology, Not Latin

Personally, I have no objection to Latin, Gregorian chant or the Traditional Latin Mass.

My concern is ecclesiology.

The issue becomes serious when groups begin to reject the ordinary Magisterium, question ecumenical councils, or perform episcopal consecrations without papal mandate despite explicit requests from the Holy See.

At that point the discussion is no longer about liturgical preference.

It becomes a question of communion with the Church.

Catholic Social Teaching Is Also Part of Tradition

Another point often forgotten is that Catholic Tradition includes the Church's social teaching.

Beginning with Leo XIII, continuing through Pius XI, John XXIII, Paul VI, John Paul II, Benedict XVI, and Francis, the Church has consistently criticized both revolutionary socialism and unrestricted economic liberalism.

This is often overlooked.

Some traditionalist circles strongly emphasize the Church's condemnations of Marxism while giving far less attention to its equally strong critiques of economic exploitation, excessive inequality, unjust wages, and unrestricted capitalism.

That balance is part of Catholic Tradition as well.

Charismatic Renewal and Traditionalism

Even debates about the Catholic Charismatic Renewal are often oversimplified.

Some traditional Catholics criticize charismatic spirituality because they believe it borrows excessively from Pentecostal worship styles.

Others defend it as a legitimate spirituality fully recognized by successive popes.

Again, the central question is not personal preference.

The central question is communion with the Church and fidelity to the Magisterium.

Conclusion

For me, the debate is not about choosing between Vatican II and Trent.

Nor is it about choosing between Latin and the vernacular.

The real question is whether we interpret Catholic Tradition through rupture or through continuity.

Ironically, some groups that accuse Vatican II of creating a rupture sometimes adopt the very "hermeneutic of rupture" Benedict XVI warned against.

If Benedict XVI's theology is taken seriously, then authentic Catholic Tradition cannot be separated from communion with Peter, the living Magisterium, and the Church's continuous development throughout history.

Suggested academic references

Pope Benedict XVI (2005). Address to the Roman Curia (Hermeneutic of Reform in Continuity).

St. John Henry Newman. An Essay on the Development of Christian Doctrine.

Pope Leo XIII. Rerum Novarum (1891).

Pope Benedict XVI. Caritas in Veritate (2009).

Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. Libertatis Nuntius (1984).

Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. Libertatis Conscientia (1986).

Vatican II: Lumen Gentium, Dei Verbum, Sacrosanctum Concilium, Gaudium et Spes.

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u/joebraga2 — 4 days ago
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Has the World Cup Changed How Americans See Immigration and Cultural Diversity?

One thing I've noticed during this World Cup is that the conversation about immigration often sounds very different online than it does on the streets of the host cities.

Before the tournament, much of the political discussion focused on border security, immigration, and polarization. Reading social media, you would think foreigners were mostly seen as a problem.

But the World Cup has shown another side of the story.

If you think I'm exaggerating, don't take my word for it. Search the World Cup hashtags on Instagram, X, TikTok or YouTube Shorts. Look at videos posted since the opening match. You'll find thousands of posts from local residents, businesses, journalists and international fans showing packed streets, public celebrations and people from dozens of countries enjoying the tournament together.

This isn't just my impression.

Reuters reported that many Americans were impressed by the passion of international supporters, especially the Brazilian fans singing their national anthem and creating an atmosphere that many local fans had never experienced before.

Reuters also reported that cities like Los Angeles saw train stations and public spaces transformed into meeting places for Colombian, German, Ecuadorian, Brazilian and American supporters. Even in one of the most car-dependent cities in the United States, the World Cup temporarily changed how people interacted with each other.

The Guardian published an article describing how several host cities that were initially skeptical about the tournament ended up embracing it because of the energy, diversity and international atmosphere brought by supporters from around the world.

This is why I think the debate is more complicated than simply saying that immigration is good or bad.

Every country has the right to enforce its immigration laws. Border security is a legitimate public policy discussion.

But immigration is also about culture, tourism, business, friendship and everyday human interaction.

For several weeks, Americans, Canadians and visitors from every continent shared public spaces peacefully. Brazilians, Colombians, Mexicans, Scots, Moroccans, Germans and many others filled parks, stadiums, restaurants and city centers with music, celebrations and conversations.

Looking at those images, it's difficult to argue that cultural diversity only produces conflict.

I'm not arguing for open borders.

I'm arguing that events like the World Cup remind us that international exchange produces benefits that political debates often ignore.

If you still disagree, I encourage you to spend a few minutes looking through the public posts from the tournament instead of only reading political discussions. Compare the atmosphere in those videos with the image of immigrants that often dominates political rhetoric.

Sometimes reality is more nuanced than politics.

Sources

- Reuters – Many Americans impressed by the atmosphere created by international supporters during the World Cup.

- Reuters – Los Angeles transformed by international fans using public transportation and public spaces.

- The Guardian – Host cities that began skeptical embraced the World Cup because of its diversity, energy and multicultural atmosphere.

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u/joebraga2 — 7 days ago

Has the World Cup Changed How Americans See Immigration and Cultural Diversity

One thing I've noticed during this World Cup is that the conversation about immigration often sounds very different online than it does on the streets of the host cities.

Before the tournament, much of the political discussion focused on border security, immigration, and polarization. Reading social media, you would think foreigners were mostly seen as a problem.

But the World Cup has shown another side of the story.

If you think I'm exaggerating, don't take my word for it. Search the World Cup hashtags on Instagram, X, TikTok or YouTube Shorts. Look at videos posted since the opening match. You'll find thousands of posts from local residents, businesses, journalists and international fans showing packed streets, public celebrations and people from dozens of countries enjoying the tournament together.

This isn't just my impression.

Reuters reported that many Americans were impressed by the passion of international supporters, especially the Brazilian fans singing their national anthem and creating an atmosphere that many local fans had never experienced before.

Reuters also reported that cities like Los Angeles saw train stations and public spaces transformed into meeting places for Colombian, German, Ecuadorian, Brazilian and American supporters. Even in one of the most car-dependent cities in the United States, the World Cup temporarily changed how people interacted with each other.

The Guardian published an article describing how several host cities that were initially skeptical about the tournament ended up embracing it because of the energy, diversity and international atmosphere brought by supporters from around the world.

This is why I think the debate is more complicated than simply saying that immigration is good or bad.

Every country has the right to enforce its immigration laws. Border security is a legitimate public policy discussion.

But immigration is also about culture, tourism, business, friendship and everyday human interaction.

For several weeks, Americans, Canadians and visitors from every continent shared public spaces peacefully. Brazilians, Colombians, Mexicans, Scots, Moroccans, Germans and many others filled parks, stadiums, restaurants and city centers with music, celebrations and conversations.

Looking at those images, it's difficult to argue that cultural diversity only produces conflict.

I'm not arguing for open borders.

I'm arguing that events like the World Cup remind us that international exchange produces benefits that political debates often ignore.

If you still disagree, I encourage you to spend a few minutes looking through the public posts from the tournament instead of only reading political discussions. Compare the atmosphere in those videos with the image of immigrants that often dominates political rhetoric.

Sometimes reality is more nuanced than politics.

Sources

- Reuters – Many Americans impressed by the atmosphere created by international supporters during the World Cup.

- Reuters – Los Angeles transformed by international fans using public transportation and public spaces.

- The Guardian – Host cities that began skeptical embraced the World Cup because of its diversity, energy and multicultural atmosphere.

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u/joebraga2 — 7 days ago

Maybe Gen Z isn't becoming more politically active because of "indoctrination." Maybe they're responding to reality.

I've seen a lot of posts arguing that today's students are being "indoctrinated" into supporting immigration, universal healthcare, or democratic socialism. I think that explanation is too simple.

As someone outside the U.S., what stands out to me isn't the classroom—it's the economy.

For decades, both Republicans and establishment Democrats embraced versions of market-oriented economic policies. At the same time, housing became dramatically less affordable, healthcare costs kept rising, student debt exploded, and younger generations found it harder to achieve the same standard of living their parents had.

When a generation believes it may never own a home, struggles to afford rent, delays having children because of economic insecurity, and sees homelessness becoming more visible even among working people, it's not surprising that they begin questioning the economic system.

The same applies to immigration protests. It's easy to dismiss students by saying they're looking for an excuse to skip class. But if students have classmates, neighbors, or relatives affected by immigration enforcement, then those events become personal rather than abstract political debates.

You don't have to support open borders to recognize that due process and civil liberties matter. Strong border enforcement and respect for constitutional rights are not mutually exclusive.

Looking from abroad, it also seems that many American political debates confuse economic policies with ideological labels. Universal healthcare, stronger labor protections, or industrial policy exist in many democratic capitalist countries. Supporting those policies does not automatically make someone a communist.

In Brazil, for example, most people are socially conservative but economically support some level of social protection and state involvement. Those positions coexist without contradiction for millions of voters.

Maybe Gen Z isn't rejecting America. Maybe they're reacting to rising housing costs, declining affordability, healthcare expenses, and an economy that increasingly feels out of reach.

If we ignore those structural issues and blame everything on "indoctrination," we risk misunderstanding why so many young people are dissatisfied in the first place.

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u/joebraga2 — 8 days ago

The American political spectrum is much broader than Democrats vs. Republicans/Conservatives vs. Liberals(USA)/Capitalism vs. Communism. Why don't even you liberals accept this

One thing that surprises me when reading American political discussions is how often every position to the left of mainstream conservatism gets labeled "far left."

That's not how political science usually classifies ideologies.

There is a meaningful distinction between:

- Liberals

- Social democrats

- Democratic socialists

- Socialists

- Communists

- The radical left

Likewise, the political right includes liberals, conservatives, Christian democrats, libertarians, national conservatives, and the far right. They are not interchangeable.

The Democratic Party itself is a coalition, not a single ideology. Most Democrats are not democratic socialists, and democratic socialists are not communists. The DSA is also not the Democratic Party, even though some of its members run in Democratic primaries because the U.S. electoral system strongly favors two major parties.

This isn't just a semantic issue. When every center-left position is described as "far left," it becomes impossible to have meaningful political discussions. The same happens when every conservative is labeled "far right."

Political science has spent decades developing more precise ideological classifications. Public debate would benefit from using those distinctions instead of reducing everything to a Democrat-versus-Republican binary. Outside the United States, "liberal" is usually associated with economic liberalism (free-market policies), so it is generally seen as a center-right or center position rather than part of the left. Progressive parties are usually treated as a separate tradition.

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u/joebraga2 — 11 days ago

Estamos discutindo a internet da forma errada?

Uma coisa que venho observando há algum tempo é que muitos debates sobre internet, privacidade e plataformas digitais acabam presos em uma falsa escolha:

- Ou você é contra qualquer regulação.

- Ou você é a favor de mais controle estatal.

Mas a realidade parece muito mais complexa do que isso.

Minha impressão é que o problema principal não é a existência de regras. O problema é como elas são construídas, quem participa da elaboração delas e se conseguem acompanhar a evolução tecnológica.

Em telecomunicações e radiodifusão isso acontece há décadas.

Muitas pessoas não sabem, por exemplo, que a marca que aparece em uma rádio ou TV nem sempre corresponde à entidade que possui a concessão ou autorização. Em vários casos existem razões sociais históricas, arrendamentos, mudanças de operação e estruturas societárias que o público simplesmente não consegue enxergar.

Algo parecido ocorre nas telecomunicações. Muita gente acredita estar usando uma operadora independente quando, na prática, ela utiliza a infraestrutura de uma operadora maior. O serviço funciona, mas a relação real entre marca, infraestrutura e operador nem sempre é transparente para o usuário.

Na internet estamos enfrentando um desafio semelhante.

Quem controla os dados?

Quem controla os algoritmos?

Quem responde pelas decisões?

Quem fiscaliza as plataformas?

Quem fiscaliza o Estado?

E quem fiscaliza os fiscalizadores?

Tenho a impressão de que falta participação mais efetiva de especialistas em segurança da informação, proteção de dados, LGPD/GDPR, telecomunicações, governança da internet e software livre na construção dessas regras.

Ao mesmo tempo, também me preocupa quando o debate ignora completamente a concentração de poder em grandes plataformas privadas, como se apenas governos fossem capazes de afetar direitos, privacidade e acesso à informação.

Talvez a discussão mais importante não seja "mais Estado" ou "menos Estado".

Talvez a discussão correta seja:

Como construir transparência, responsabilidade e fiscalização sem comprometer privacidade, inovação, software livre e liberdade de expressão?

O que vocês acham?

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u/joebraga2 — 11 days ago

Estamos discutindo a internet da forma errada?

Uma coisa que venho observando há algum tempo é que muitos debates sobre internet, privacidade e plataformas digitais acabam presos em uma falsa escolha:

- Ou você é contra qualquer regulação.

- Ou você é a favor de mais controle estatal.

Mas a realidade parece muito mais complexa do que isso.

Minha impressão é que o problema principal não é a existência de regras. O problema é como elas são construídas, quem participa da elaboração delas e se conseguem acompanhar a evolução tecnológica.

Em telecomunicações e radiodifusão isso acontece há décadas.

Muitas pessoas não sabem, por exemplo, que a marca que aparece em uma rádio ou TV nem sempre corresponde à entidade que possui a concessão ou autorização. Em vários casos existem razões sociais históricas, arrendamentos, mudanças de operação e estruturas societárias que o público simplesmente não consegue enxergar.

Algo parecido ocorre nas telecomunicações. Muita gente acredita estar usando uma operadora independente quando, na prática, ela utiliza a infraestrutura de uma operadora maior. O serviço funciona, mas a relação real entre marca, infraestrutura e operador nem sempre é transparente para o usuário.

Na internet estamos enfrentando um desafio semelhante.

Quem controla os dados?

Quem controla os algoritmos?

Quem responde pelas decisões?

Quem fiscaliza as plataformas?

Quem fiscaliza o Estado?

E quem fiscaliza os fiscalizadores?

Tenho a impressão de que falta participação mais efetiva de especialistas em segurança da informação, proteção de dados, LGPD/GDPR, telecomunicações, governança da internet e software livre na construção dessas regras.

Ao mesmo tempo, também me preocupa quando o debate ignora completamente a concentração de poder em grandes plataformas privadas, como se apenas governos fossem capazes de afetar direitos, privacidade e acesso à informação.

Talvez a discussão mais importante não seja "mais Estado" ou "menos Estado".

Talvez a discussão correta seja:

Como construir transparência, responsabilidade e fiscalização sem comprometer privacidade, inovação, software livre e liberdade de expressão?

O que vocês acham?

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u/joebraga2 — 11 days ago

Has social media amplified sedevacantism and online traditionalism?"

As a Catholic from Brazil and a theology student, I've been wondering whether social media has created a distorted perception of how common sedevacantism actually is within the Church.

In real parish life, I encounter Catholics across the spectrum: progressive Catholics, conservative Catholics, charismatic Catholics, traditionally-minded Catholics, and ordinary parishioners who simply practice their faith. Even among conservative Catholics, the overwhelming majority recognize the authority of the Pope, accept Vatican II, and remain in communion with Rome.

However, when I open X/Twitter, YouTube comment sections, or some online Catholic communities, it can sometimes feel as though sedevacantism, anti-Vatican II rhetoric, and constant accusations of heresy dominate the conversation.

This makes me wonder whether social media algorithms naturally amplify these voices because controversy, outrage, and conflict generate engagement. A small but highly active group can appear much larger online than it actually is in the life of the Church.

I also think there is an important distinction that often gets lost online:

Traditional Catholics

Traditionally-minded Catholics

Conservative Catholics

Traditionalists

Sedevacantists

These are not the same thing.

For example, Pope Benedict XVI strongly defended liturgical tradition and continuity with the Church's past, while simultaneously defending Vatican II, the Magisterium, and obedience to the Pope. Historically, many Catholics who love traditional liturgy have remained fully within the Church and do not share sedevacantist positions.

So my question is:

Do you think social media has amplified sedevacantism and internet traditionalism beyond their actual size within Catholicism? Or are these movements genuinely growing in a significant way?

I'm interested in hearing perspectives from converts, cradle Catholics, priests, religious, and anyone who has observed this phenomenon in their local Church.

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u/joebraga2 — 13 days ago

Are the "bottom 1%" the cause of social problems, or a symptom of deeper economic and social failures

I often see people argue that the poorest, most dysfunctional or criminal segments of society are what make daily life miserable.

There is some truth to that at the individual level. If someone steals your bike, vandalizes your neighborhood, deals drugs on your street or makes public spaces unsafe, the immediate problem is obvious.

But I wonder if we're confusing symptoms with causes.

In countries like Brazil, many of the neighborhoods associated with crime, poor education and social disorder are also places that experienced decades of underinvestment, economic exclusion and weak public services.

The people creating problems today did not appear in a vacuum. They were shaped by family instability, poor schools, lack of opportunities, addiction, housing problems and broader economic conditions.

The "bottom 1%" may create visible problems, but are they really the root cause? Or are they simply the most visible manifestation of deeper structural issues?

The person who steals a bike is easy to see. The economic, political and social decisions that helped create that environment are much harder to see.

What do you think?

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u/joebraga2 — 13 days ago

The biggest problem in American political debates is the misuse of political labels

One thing I've noticed while reading American political discussions is that many people use terms like liberal, leftist, socialist, Democrat, and progressive almost interchangeably. From an international perspective, that creates a lot of confusion.

Outside the United States, these are often very different political traditions.

For example, in Germany, someone who supports the FDP would generally be considered economically liberal and pro-market. Someone who supports Die Linke would be considered left-wing. Someone who supports the SPD might be a social democrat. These groups may agree on some issues and disagree strongly on others.

The same thing happens in Latin America. A Brazilian social democrat, a European liberal, and an American Democrat might all support democracy, some form of welfare state, and civil liberties, while still having very different views on taxation, labor rights, public ownership, healthcare, and the role of the state.

This is why I think many political debates online struggle with "steelmanning" the opposing side. People often argue against a simplified stereotype rather than the actual position being expressed.

For example:

Supporting immigration reform is often portrayed as supporting open borders.

Supporting universal healthcare is often portrayed as supporting socialism.

Supporting market regulation is often portrayed as opposing capitalism.

Supporting free markets is often portrayed as opposing all social programs.

The result is that political labels become substitutes for actual discussion.

From an international perspective, the American political spectrum often looks compressed. Positions that would be considered center-right, liberal, social democratic, conservative, or democratic socialist in Europe are frequently grouped together under the label of either "Democrat" or "the Left."

I think political discussions would be far more productive if people spent less time arguing about labels and more time discussing specific policies and their real-world outcomes.

What do you think? Is the misuse of political labels making political debate worse, or is this just an unavoidable consequence of the American two-party system?

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u/joebraga2 — 17 days ago

Tradition, Traditionalism, and the Problem of Ecclesial Identity

One thing I have noticed in many Catholic discussions is that the words "Tradition", "traditional", "conservative", and "traditionalist" are often used as if they were interchangeable. I am not convinced they are.

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The Church has always taught the importance of Tradition. Tradition is not an optional preference but part of the deposit of faith itself. However, theologians such as Yves Congar warned against confusing Tradition with traditionalism. His famous distinction was that Tradition is the living transmission of the faith, while traditionalism risks reducing that living reality to particular historical forms.

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Likewise, St. John Henry Newman argued that authentic doctrine develops through history while remaining faithful to its essential content. Development is not the same thing as rupture.

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This is why I think there is an important distinction between a traditional Catholic, a conservative Catholic, and a traditionalist Catholic.

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A traditional Catholic may value older liturgical forms, Gregorian chant, traditional devotions, and continuity with the Church's past while remaining fully committed to the authority of the Pope and the legitimacy of the post-Vatican II Church.

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A conservative Catholic may prefer continuity, doctrinal clarity, and caution regarding change while still accepting the ordinary life of the contemporary Church.

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Traditionalism, however, can become something different when attachment to a particular historical form of Catholic life becomes the primary lens through which the Church is judged. In some cases, communities influenced by traditionalism seem to define Catholic identity less through communion with the Church and more through opposition to modern developments, Vatican II, or recent popes.

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This is not a criticism of the Latin Mass, traditional spirituality, or legitimate liturgical preferences. The Catholic Church has always contained diverse liturgical traditions. The issue is whether fidelity to Tradition is understood as communion with the living Church across time, or as the preservation of a preferred historical moment.

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Joseph Ratzinger often warned against both extremes: a progressive mentality that sees the Church before Vatican II as obsolete and a traditionalist mentality that sees the Church after Vatican II as fundamentally suspect. Both approaches risk creating a theology of rupture.

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So my question is this:

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Have we become too quick to identify Tradition itself with traditionalism? Are we losing an important distinction between preserving the Church's Tradition and treating a particular historical expression of that Tradition as the only legitimate one?

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u/joebraga2 — 18 days ago

Quando a comunidade gamer virou aquilo que criticava"

Eu acho curioso como parte da comunidade gamer acabou reproduzindo exatamente o mesmo discurso que combatia nos anos 90 e 2000.

Naquela época, políticos, programas sensacionalistas e grupos conservadores diziam que GTA, Doom, Mortal Kombat, Street Fighter e outros jogos estavam destruindo a juventude, incentivando violência e acabando com os valores da sociedade.

Os gamers respondiam que isso era pânico moral, censura e ataque à liberdade criativa dos desenvolvedores.

Hoje, vejo parte da comunidade fazendo algo parecido, só que com outro alvo. Em vez de dizer que jogos violentos destroem a sociedade, dizem que a presença de mulheres, negros, personagens LGBT ou temas sociais automaticamente destrói um jogo.

Não estou dizendo que toda crítica é inválida. Jogos podem ter roteiro ruim, personagens mal escritos ou marketing forçado. Mas existe uma diferença entre criticar a qualidade de uma obra e afirmar que determinados grupos não deveriam aparecer nela.

O que me chama atenção é a contradição. Quando a censura vinha de políticos, religiosos ou da televisão, a comunidade defendia liberdade criativa. Quando um estúdio decide criar personagens diferentes do padrão tradicional, parte dessa mesma comunidade passa a querer dizer aos desenvolvedores o que eles podem ou não podem criar.

Se defendemos liberdade criativa, ela vale para GTA, Doom e Mortal Kombat. Mas também vale para um jogo com protagonista mulher, negro, asiático ou LGBT.

No fim, um jogo deveria ser julgado pela jogabilidade, história, direção artística e execução. Não por pânico moral, seja ele vindo da esquerda ou da direita.

Pra mim isso é hipocrisia e em parte da minha adolescência eu não pude ter Pq os meus pais acreditavam nos malefícios dos Games pregado pelo pânico moral contra os video games

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u/joebraga2 — 21 days ago

As a Brazilian, I think Europe and North America often misunderstand immigration

As a Brazilian, one thing that always surprises me when I read European and American discussions about immigration is how quickly complex social and economic problems get reduced to a single cause.

Housing shortages, rising rents, pressure on public services, wage stagnation, infrastructure problems, social tensions and even crime are often blamed almost entirely on immigrants.

To me, that seems like an incomplete explanation.

Brazil offers a very different perspective. Our country was built through centuries of migration and immigration. Portuguese, Italians, Germans, Japanese, Poles, Ukrainians, Arabs, Jews, Syrians, Lebanese and many others became part of Brazilian society. At the same time, millions of Africans were brought here through slavery and became fundamental to our national identity.

The first major German immigration wave arrived in 1824. In 2024 Brazil marked 200 years of German immigration. We even have a city called Americana, founded by immigrants from the United States after the American Civil War. Entire regions and neighborhoods preserve the cultural influence of different immigrant communities.

Because of this history, many Brazilians tend to see immigration not as a civilizational threat but as a challenge that requires integration, economic planning, education and public investment.

That does not mean every immigration policy is good or that countries can absorb unlimited migration without consequences. Of course they cannot. Every society has practical limits.

What I find strange is that discussions about Arab and Muslim immigration in Europe often focus almost exclusively on crime, culture, religion or welfare systems, while much less attention is given to the geopolitical and historical causes that helped create these migration flows.

The Iraq War, the collapse of Libya, the Syrian civil war, decades of instability in parts of the Middle East and North Africa, foreign interventions, regional conflicts and economic disruption all contributed to the migration pressures that Europe later had to deal with.

From a Latin American perspective, it seems odd to endlessly debate the consequences while rarely discussing the causes.

Likewise, when housing becomes unaffordable, infrastructure is overloaded, public services deteriorate and wages stagnate, I don't automatically conclude that immigration is the main cause. Housing policy, labor markets, financial speculation, austerity measures and decades of political decisions usually play a major role as well.

Immigration can create challenges. Nobody should deny that.

But blaming immigrants for every social problem is often politically convenient because it shifts attention away from governments, economic interests and policy failures.

The real question is not whether immigration creates challenges.

The real question is why so many people want immigration to be the only explanation.

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u/joebraga2 — 21 days ago

O que os defensores do Lei da lei Felca tem a dizer sobre esse video?

O que os defensores da liberdade de expressão é da privacidade tem a dizer sobre esses casos de leis que pedem documento de identificação e pode travar o boot de computador e celular nos Estados Unidos? Quanta hipocrisia.

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u/joebraga2 — 23 days ago

Is higher education in Germany structurally similar to Brazil in terms of access, prestige, and public vs private roles?

I’m trying to understand how higher education systems compare across countries, especially Germany and Brazil.

In Brazil, public universities are highly selective and strongly associated with research and academic prestige, while private universities tend to be more accessible and play a smaller role in postgraduate education and research output.

This creates a kind of structural separation where:

access is broader in private institutions

academic prestige and research are concentrated in public institutions

I’m curious whether Germany has any similar structural division, or if public universities dominate both access and academic prestige more uniformly.

How is this perceived internally in Germany? Do private universities carry any real academic prestige, or are they mainly seen as a niche alternative?

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u/joebraga2 — 1 month ago

Is higher education in Germany structurally similar to Brazil in terms of access, prestige, and public vs private roles?

I’m trying to understand how higher education systems compare across countries, especially Germany and Brazil.

In Brazil, public universities are highly selective and strongly associated with research and academic prestige, while private universities tend to be more accessible and play a smaller role in postgraduate education and research output.

This creates a kind of structural separation where:

access is broader in private institutions

academic prestige and research are concentrated in public institutions

I’m curious whether Germany has any similar structural division, or if public universities dominate both access and academic prestige more uniformly.

How is this perceived internally in Germany? Do private universities carry any real academic prestige, or are they mainly seen as a niche alternative?

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u/joebraga2 — 1 month ago