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My alternative future secnerio is this;

Basically, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez managed to win the 2028 election against JD Vance and thanks to the decline of China and Europe, investments in previous administrations taking fruit, as well as Ocasio-Cortez's own reforms particularly Universal Healthcare finally getting passed, the economy began to experience a boom similar to the 80s, producing massive surplus wealth for everyday Americans.

However, Americans would become even more atomized, using their newfound wealth to party, buy houses, party, and in general live like there was no tomorrow or yesterday, as they were finally able to spend to their heart's content after being stuck in inflation for so long.

Despite the economic prosperity, most Americans still felt unsatisfied and anxious over everything. They had believed a recovery from the economic malaise of the 20s would have resulted in a happy life but the opposite turned out to be true. Drug overdoes and suicides began to fall sure but so did genuinely happy people.

Traditional institutions like clubs, churches, and universities would finally finish their decline and officially die in favor of shallow internet algorithms and outrage content.

AOC was personally unpopular despite the strong economy and failed to unify the country, the Left believing themselves to have won for all times and that reconcilation to be unnecessary.

Radicalism would rise even more in the Right, as after Trump's death to heart cancer in 2030, and due to the lack of alternatives like Charlie Kirk, Nick Fuentes and others like him began to start becoming the new face of the Republican party.

Vladimir Putin dies and his successor Mikhail Mishustin finally decides to sue for peace with NATO in the Treaty of Moscow, ending the Ukraine War.

President Ocasio-Cortez would easily win re-election in 2032 against Ron DeSantis in a low turnout election, and people began to speculate if America was in a new progressive age. Sadly, it was a New Antebellum instead.

The 30s would see Democrats start to get push back, especially after the Republicans won the 2032 Congressional elections, while at the same time the Democratic Socialists of America began to take over more and more of the Democratic Party.

If by the late 20s any social cohesion and trust remained, it finally died here, as the older folk like boomers who still somewhat maintained it finally died off for good.

From the outside, America was the most prosperous it had ever been; life expectancy had surpassed the EU thanks to declining obesity and drug overdoses, and US share of global GDP increased to 28%, which did somewhat calm the people who could distract themselves with ever more expensive parties and purchases.

Ocasio-Cortez's second term was largely uneventful besides some minor executive orders and supreme court appointments.

By the 2036 election, due to the Ocasio-Cortez Administration's economic policies, growth had began to stagnate especially capital flows due to excessive taxes.

It was pitied between Senator from California Bryan Oswald and Governor of Alabama Fritz Westinghouse. Vice President Mark Kelly declined to run due to his advanced age.

Westinghouse was a rabid Christian nationalist, an offspring of the new GOP that Fuentes created, and failed to make a case for himself to moderates, while Oswald campaigned on being the continuation of the matireally prosperous Ocasio-Cortez Administration, allowing him to win.

In 2037, facing economic difficulties, and fears that it was now, as well as cuts to the military by the Ocasio-Cortez Administration, the People's Liberation Army Navy (PLAN) started an invasion of Taiwan, begining the Taiwan War.

This would significantly boost Oswald's approvals

The US and its Pacific allies formed a strong defense against the Chinese, managing to blockade China enough for Beijing to finally capitulate but not before begining a world wide recession called the "Taiwan Recession" or the "2037 Recession."

Due to the breakdown of South China sea trade and Chinese imports, US GDP would fall by 5% and companies faced with enormous liabilities, especially due to regulations and taxes placed by the previous administration would began to declare bankruptcies left and right, causing unemployment to reach 10%.

While, the DSA wanted to use this opportunity to nationalize more companies and to provide more aid, the Oswald Administration proved to be far more conservative than expected.

Viewing the actions by AOC as a major accelerant of this crisis, Oswald would refused to use the same methods as Ocasio-Cortez to force companies to maintain themselves, which many DSAs viewed as a betrayal.

At the same time, theft, assaults, and gun violence began to rise massively, as many Americans did not see any problem with using whatever it takes just to make more money under these difficult times.

Thanks to DSA members in the Administration, Oswald was unable to help the police or even allow them to stop this chaos, leading to it bleeding more and more.

Right Wing Vigilante groups such as the "Blue Boys" and even organized crime would take the place of the police, radicalizing people even more, as millions of Leftists see Right Wing milita groups with no accountability, acting as the police.

By 2040, Oswald's approvals had dropped to 27% and seeing the writing on the wall, he decided not to run again.

The 2040 election, the election to begin the deadliest civil war in history would be held between Governor of Virginia Jefferson Thomas, a more ideolagical and radical Democratic Socialist Vs war hero of the Taiwan War Admiral Adams John who sought to "fix America" and "end this madness."

It reached up to 92% voter turnout thanks to all the chaos, but, ultimately it didn't end up mattering.

Whoever won, both sides believed themselves to be. Jefferson Thomas took the White House from President Oswald by force and inaugurated himself as president, while Admiral John had entered a secure bunker in the Cheyenne Military Complex, preparing to take power by force, as he saw this moment to decide the date of America.

On December 7th 2041, President Thomas decided to begin an assault on the Cheyenne Military Complex, declaring it illegal and John to be a criminal.

So how would Trump be remembered after all of this? As a major cause of the Second American Civil War or be overshadowed by Adams John?

There was a lot of other stuff going on but we'll be here forever if we talked about them.

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Source: Look up life expectancy lists. In everyone of them, Puerto Rico has a higher life expectancy than both the United States and Germany, and even sometimes the United Kingdom or some of the Nordic States. I wish I could give the link but I can't.

Source: Look up life expectancy lists. In everyone of them, Puerto Rico has a higher life expectancy than both the United States and Germany, and even sometimes the United Kingdom or some of the Nordic States. I wish I could give the link but I can't.

It's odd but almost every mega campaign I see, England/Britain oddly takes the role of Spain in the EU4 section, in that they colonize most of the continent really fastly, leaving the others with scraps. Even in mega campaigns, going all the way from Imperator Rome, where England/Britain practices Hellenism, whoever controls England still ends up controlling what we would call Spanish America?

It's odd but almost every mega campaign I see, England/Britain oddly takes the role of Spain in the EU4 section, in that they colonize most of the continent really fastly, leaving the others with scraps. Even in mega campaigns, going all the way from Imperator Rome, where England/Britain practices Hellenism, whoever controls England still ends up controlling what we would call Spanish America?

Everything just lines up too perfectly for there to be an economic recovery and boom in the 2030s with the adventure of new technologies, the post COVID crisis ending, China and Europe facing problems, etc.

Sure right now, it's not distributed but the next probably Democrat administration definitely could start distributing it through welfare. It'll be especially powerful if they managed to pass universal healthcare and save hundreds of billions of dollars.

However, this will not fix any of the social problems in America. If anything it'll worsen it. Americans will use their new found surplus wealth in parties, new houses, collections, etc, giving an illusion of prosperity while socially becoming even more atomized and miserable.

If there is a Second American Civil War, I think it'll come right after the boom finally ends and it's revealed there was nothing more holding the scaffolding together.

Plus, if we are going with the Weimer parallel then this could be the boom before the Great Depression.

Seriously, the amount of historically inaccurate claims made about America just to make its history worse than it already is, is fucking insane.

If I were to list all of them, we'll be here forever, so let's stick with five.

1. "America did not invent the internet, the United Kingdom did." The World Wide Web is not the same as the internet, this was literally the first thing I learned in IT class and these people somehow don't know?

2. "America is only the biggest economy because it was un damaged for World War 2." If you look at any statistics for past GDP, by any massure, the United States had the biggest economy even before World War 1 let alone World War 2 and was rapidly growing as well. It should also be noted that the EU actually surpassed the US in GDP nominal in the 90s and 2000s before falling behind in the 2010s so further proof that WW2's damage on Europe isn't why American GDP is higher than European GDP today.

3. "America is only wealthy because of slavery." It's true that cotton was important for the growth of the US economy, but, it's not like paid laborers couldn't work in cotton plantations if slavery didn't exist, and get this: People at the time already proved that paid laborers were more productive than slaves and would have been able to consume more as free citizens. It was a lot of people's reason for opposing slavery, arguably even bigger than slavery as a moral evil. The only reason why slavery wa favored was because it concentrated power into the Southern aristocracy by driving lower class people out of competition. The same people who argue that just because some people are rich doesn't mean the country is rich suddenly can't even comprehend the most basic example of it.

4. "America entered late into World War 2 and stole all the credit." First of all, America only entered the Allied Powers a few months later than the Soviet Union and nobody says the Soviet entered late, and America had already been supporting Britain financially and materielly even before it. Hell, there was basically an undeclared naval war against Germany at the time. And of course, people like Zhukov himself stated that America contributed heavily to Allied victory in WW2.

5. "America did not invent the hamburger, Germany did." This one is more petty but that only makes this more annoying. The hamburger sandwich which I think we are talking about was invented by German immigrants in the USA. It was named after the Hamburg steak which was from Hamburg, not that the hamburger sandwich was from Germany. Anyone who believes this eats their own poop.

There's also some people who don't even hide it and unironically say shit like Americans don't invent anything and only steal or that Americans have no culture, and that any cultural things like jazz are invented by minorities so don't count.

It's like these people wish for America to have invented nothing but racism, war, and anything bad. US history already has enough bad things and I do have criticisms for America right now but for some reason they want to erase all the good. And I think they honestly do. It's the only explanation I can find for why they are so propagandized.

What started my theory was that my country Myanmar, has been stuck in the longest civil war since independence and yet almost nobody in Myanmar talks about it. Sure, the government censors it but the Myanmar government has nowhere near the recourses needed to actually censor it. They can't even censor criticisms of them right now, so why was that so successful? Because Myanmar people already don't want to talk about it so the work was mostly done for them.

I think this applies here as well. Because those people (unconsciously or not) want to believe that America honestly did nothing good and brought everything bad, propagandizing them into thinking America honestly did nothing good and everything bad was not difficult.

But my question is; why would you want to believe a country of 1/3 of a billion to be all bad?