u/Terrible_Park7890

Link here: https://youtube.com/@tobinbellofficial?si=TLwfmCMgacNADdnm

The last two seasons haven't been the best but this show has helped me through a lot...in a weird way.

I hope the finale is satisfying.

Even though it probably won't happen...I hope Butcher and Ryan can fix things up before Butcher (most likely) dies.

Yeah, so it's canon that Jason crawled out of Hell (multiple times.) and stole Satan's pitchfork.

Yep, the novels get off the fucking rails.

Hello. :3 I'm alive, just been busy with school and other things.

Finally finished this design for John Kramer as a sinner demon/overlord in the Hellaverse.

I made him look like a mix of Billy the Puppet and a spider, since his "intricate web of traps" motto.

I tried to make him look...not like a Twink. He's an old cancer patient for crying out loud!

Anyways, I feel his powers would be similar to magneto, in a way I suppose. And similar to Vox being able to enhance himself with extra limbs and stuff.

And he has the anatomy similar to Velvette, something you can pull apart and put back together again...

Think of it like a...JIGSAW puzzle. (Ok, that was bad, lol.)

Also gave him metal tendrils with tools attached to them.

Obviously he's still doing his Jigsaw thing, I do believe Gordon would help him if he was in Hell (I am thinking of a sinner design for the good Doctor at the moment.)

Since as much as John says he doesn't like seeing his "patients" suffer, that's just not true.

Gave him extra eyes and spirals in his two main eyes, like... y'know, Billy the Puppet.

I think John would be a very interesting foil to Charlie, unlike Vox who was a parasocial creep who wanted to be seen as a martyr, but in reality just wanted power.

John actually believes in his ideology, he doesn't see his traps as "traps" (Tobin Bell's words, not mine.) but as tests.

I think Kramer would be disgusted at the idea that sinners can just walk into Heaven untested, just because they confront their own sin.

No, he thinks you have to EARN to be redeemed, why he cuts out the jigsaw puzzle pieces of his subjects.

"The jigsaw piece I cut out was meant to be a symbol that that subject was missing, a vital piece of the human puzzle, the survival instinct."

Do I know John is a hypocrite? Yes, that's the entire fucking point of his character, hell people get upset when I won't shut up about John being a murderer.

The films won't shut the fuck up about it either 😭 😭😭.

The directors and Tobin Bell himself have said John is a murderer, despite his denial of it. His logic is dumb as fuck. I still think he's so damn interesting since he believes the gospel he preaches.

He'd definitely hate the exterminations because... killing is distasteful....to him.

Anyways, art by me, enjoy. Would like an upvote :3.

Freddy solos the Hellaverse, IDC what anyone says.

(original artist: https://www.tumblr.com/strahmslovelylashes/809207673957548032/saw-ii-in-a-nutshell?source=share)

Since I was rewatching Saw X and it just...made me think of this for some reason.

I find more to appreciate about this film more and more.

I also love the touch of when John calls Carlos a warrior (His unborn son's name was Gideon, which means warrior I believe.) I really liked their dynamic, it shows more humanity in John, but again he was put up against a fucked up monster in this film..so it's easier to route for him.

Anyways: I kinda think that John would have kept putting people in traps even if he was cured, and yes I know technically the cancer didn't start him in his work but he definitely gets some enjoyment out of it.

This is actually so gross wtf. I’m not surprised there’s so much ableism regarding Jason when this shit is in the source material. These movies are a product of their time in the worst way.

The director didn't even bother look up in child psychology before writing the script.

And the final fight? Dont even make me start. God I fucking hate this so much.

Well....all accept Alucard. :(

Elderly cancer patient ragebaits a corrupt cop for 2 hours.

I'll try to describe his personality the best I can: I'll definitely explain his backstory some day.

He's a very angry, sad, violent, and overall vengeful man, this doesn't help with Zarathos constantly ripping at his psych. And being the Ghost Rider as a whole. He usually covers it up with the smug wit of John Constantine and Jack Sparrow.

He hates demons since a demon (Mephisto.) ruined his life and he blames himself for making that deal.

He has a habit of being selfish and manipulating people for his own personal gain (to get his revenge.)

He's a fight junkie too, he's a big sadist and enjoys pain because he likes the thrill of feeling something that isn't anger and sadness. Since things hurt him emotionally more than physically.

Although he had a more jovial and caring side when Amelia (his fiance.) was alive. Same with his little brother Liu (who committed suicide when Dominic left for the army.)

They had a habit of helping Dominic not be...well Dominic. To say the least.

He can be well mannered (when he wants to be.) otherwise he's kinda just an asshole who is not a good person.

And yes, he has stolen from innocent people before and didn't help a mute kid when they were being kidnapped at first.

Similar to the scene in Spawn the Animated Series.

He can be kinda insensitive at times..take that as you will.

The character in the picture is the Judge from Blood Meridian.

A character who I think would be very interesting in the Hellaverse.

Holden is...an enigma, to say the least.

Ignoring the atrocities on his hands that would make Vakentino look like a choir boy in comparison, Holden is a very philosophical character and he's very interesting in my opinion.

If anything: He's kinda one of the characters outside of the Hellaverse that prove the exterminations to be wrong.

Holden believes war is a game, and that it's holy. His philosophy isn't exactly

"I do what's the fuck I want because it's fun" that's said by people who haven't read the book.

His philosophy is more

"Might makes right, war is the natural state of man. If I did something and you think it's evil, it's actually not because I was strong enough to do it, and my strength justifies my actions."

I learned about Holden from JoeyBar. And he intrigued me so I decided to buy and read the book.

I honestly think the Exterminations justify Holden's sick view of the universe.

If the countless slaughter of people, good or not, can be called "righteous" then war truly is God.

Fuck it, here is a old thingy I did with a conversation between him and Charlie.

**Judge Holden**: “Redemption, you say? What a peculiar thing, child, to think a man can change his nature. Do you see the rocks of this earth cleaving themselves in mercy? Or the beasts of the field pardoning their fangs? No. What has been, will be. A man is fixed as the stars above.”

**Charlie Morningstar**: “Okay mister, I’ve met pessimists before, but you really take the cake. You think nothing can change? Nobody can improve? Well, maybe you’ve been watching the wrong people, ‘cause I’ve seen plenty of demons, literal actual demons, find something worth fixing. Redemption isn’t a trick of nature! It’s a choice!”

**Judge Holden**: “Choice. A fable you spin to quiet the howling within you. Man does not choose. He acts. Action itself is a violence. Your hell, this infernal playground of yours, what it represents is no more than an extension of what always was. Redemption, little lady, is a theater. And you? A player in a fool’s masque.”

**Charlie Morningstar**: “Maybe to you it’s all a big, pointless play, but even the worst souls can want to change their script. You think violence is all we are? That’s sad. Because it means you don’t believe in hope, or second chances. But that’s exactly why I built my hotel. I’ll take a million failures if it means one soul can rise up.”

**Judge Holden**: “You would do well to mind what you build. Every house stands upon a foundation, and yours, child, is set in fire and ash. You play at mercy, but there is no mercy in the architecture of this world. Do you think the universe abides hope? No. It is indifferent to your enterprise. There are no second chances. There is only the ledger of what is.”

**Charlie Morningstar**: “And what if I don’t care about the universe’s rules? What if I’m not building for the world as it is, but for what it could be? People can surprise you. Even demons. Even you.”

**Judge Holden**: "Ah, but there it is. The lie you tell yourself , the lie all men tell themselves when faced with the abyss. There is no saving them, mankind is war. It is his very essence. He will burn his cities, he will tear down his own walls, and he will dance upon the ashes. This is the natural order, and I? I am merely it's witness."

Charlie Morningstar: "I still believe in sinners, I have seen the good in everyone here. I have hope for them, I believe in them. And you cannot take that away from me."

Judge Holden: "Ah, the eternal fool. The night errant lost in the wasteland. But I shall not dissuade you, but when your bones lie broken beneath an uncaring sky when your name is forgotten I shall still be here, and I shall dance. Do you not see? The world of Heaven is merely an aberration, a momentary pause in an endless cycle of war and dominion, your hotel, your people, everything you love, will one day fall to ruin. And I shall watch."

Charlie Morningstar: "Well, I guess I'll just have to prove you wrong. Because even then I still have hope for them."

Judge Holden: "And when that hope dies, when your ideals are shattered and you realize your hotel is merely a futile effort in a broken universe...what then? Will you continue to try and save them? Pretending there is meaning in it at all? The truth, Princess. Is that men are beasts wearing the skin of civilization when the skin is ripped away they are no different than animals that roam the Earth. Weak, self-serving and ultimately, doomed. You speak of redemption, but I have learned first hand that it is a hollow promise for those who can't accept the truth for what man really is: a predator, a killer, a monster wearing the mask of civilization."

Idk, enjoy I guess. Just wanted to yap about my hyperfixations.

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Yeah, he's got...a lot of scars and bruises.

Also...mmm...moobiss. 🤤

I didn't want to make him perfectly shredded or give him the body of an anime twink. I wanted to make him... realistic he's got a bit of a belly, he was more fit when Amelia was alive (his fiance.) but he got into drugs and drinking and smoking.

Idk, I guess he's a dilf? ¯⁠\\⁠\_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠\_⁠/⁠¯

he's 43 so... I guess?

Enjoy, I guess. Would appreciate an upvote, or a comment. :)