u/NoEngineer9484

so with the new updates we have two ways of changing pledges with either the daemon prince battle formation or the brand of the unaligned. how does this work with the banners aside from the dread banner.

a friend of mine told me that let's say i have chosen with the slaanesh banner and change it's pledge to khorne through either methode, that the banner reapplies the pledge to slaanesh as the text of the banner says that you have the pledge of slaanesh but keeps the pledge to khorne given to you.

how accurate is this? i am unsure about this but it would be very powerful to have +2 attacks and a 3d6 charge drop the lowest. i believe an faq should clear this up if you can or can't

so brand of apoplexy sounds crazy. +1 damage if fury level is 7 i think an autotake with chosen or even warriors.

darkflame pendant i could see on a nurgle daemon prince to make him tankier or if you want to make a beatstick go for the rune of murder. could double up on this with deathmonger for fight twice as the extra attacks last until the end of the turn.

ashy karkadrak lord i could see if running varangaurd. ashy warriors could be a decent anvil with pledge of nurgle as you can easily get a 5+ ward with them. they are more of a counterpunch unit then an offensive one like the book version. they could be good to stand on a point and dare the enemy to charge them as they get anti charge +1 rend and strike first when charged if your fury level is high enough.

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we can now change pledges to the one that a daemon prince has. might makes this more viable.

https://preview.redd.it/vcg9n46iq7ah1.png?width=929&format=png&auto=webp&s=f5db66c6897d3359859e204be35e359b4586c2c5

also new scourge of aghsy stuff units, artifects and artycles. they haven't announced what those are yet.

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Faction: Trench Pilgrims

Rating: 700 Ducats | 0 Glory

Patron: None

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Elites

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War Prophet - 127D

Automatic Pistol, Flail / Scourge, Iron Capirote, Standard Armour

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Castigator - 103D

Zealot Strength

Punt Gun, Flail / Scourge, Medi-Kit, Mountaineer Kit, Standard Armour

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Communicant - 190D

Anti-Tank Hammer, Communicant Cross, Medi-Kit, Reinforced Armour, Trench Shield

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Troops

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Stigmatic Nun - 80D

Flail / Scourge, Medi-Kit, Standard Armour, War-Cross

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Stigmatic Nun - 80D

Pistol, Sword / Axe, Medi-Kit, Standard Armour

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Trench Pilgrim - 40D

Bolt-Action Rifle

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Trench Pilgrim - 40D

Bolt-Action Rifle

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Trench Pilgrim - 40D

Shotgun

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So i believe that these three should be able to work together as they are all in different phases.

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Reactive move doesn't have prevent another move this turn.

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Surge moves says that you can't move again this phase.

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Heroic intervention doesn't also have any wording that you prevents it from being used if move this turn.

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So if i have cato sicarius with some victrix guard if the opponent get's within 8 inches i can move 6 inches in any direction. Then if i am shot and it kills a model i can move d6 to the closest unit (hopefully not the one you just walked away from) and after that if i am not in engagement range then for 2cp (or 1cp with cato's discount) i can declare a Charge to a unit to a max 6 inches away.

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If all goes according to plan i can move a maximum of 18 inches during the opponent's turn.

So i have an idea for a reclamation force plus libarius conclave list using take and hold

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ultra (1995 points)

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Space Marines

Ultramarines

Strike Force (2000 points)

Librarius Conclave and Reclamation Force (3 Detachment Points)

Force Dispositions: Reconnaissance, Take and Hold

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Attached Units

Attached Unit 1

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Marneus Calgar in Armour of Antilochus (140 points)

• Attached as: Leader (Character)

• Warlord

• 1x Gauntlets of Ultramar

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Victrix Honour Guard (240 points)

• Attached as: Bodyguard

• 1x Chapter Ancient

• 1x Banner of Macragge

1x Master-crafted power weapon

• 1x Chapter Champion

• 1x Blades of honour

• 4x Victrix Honour Guard

• 4x Master-crafted bolt carbine

4x Master-crafted power weapon

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Attached Unit 2

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Captain Titus (90 points)

• Attached as: Leader (Character)

• 1x Bolt Pistol

1x Master-crafted bolter

1x Master-crafted chainsword

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Wardens of Ultramar (110 points)

• Attached as: Support

• 1x Ancient Gadriel

• 1x Bolt rifle

1x Close combat weapon

• 1x Veteran Sergeant Metaurus

• 1x Heavy bolt pistol

1x Master-crafted power weapon

1x Storm Shield

• 1x Gaius Silva

• 1x Archeotech laspistol

1x Power weapon

1x Refractor Field

• 1x Aemelia Minervas

• 1x Archeotech laspistol

1x Power weapon

• 1x Dainal Komelius

• 1x Astropathic Blast

1x Force stave

• 1x Lucia Vestha

• 1x Archeotech laspistol

1x Close combat weapon

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Bladeguard Veteran Squad (80 points)

• Attached as: Bodyguard

• 1x Bladeguard Veteran Sergeant

• 1x Heavy bolt pistol

1x Master-crafted power weapon

• 2x Bladeguard Veteran

• 2x Heavy bolt pistol

2x Master-crafted power weapon

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Attached Unit 3

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Chief Librarian Tigurius (95 points)

• Attached as: Leader (Character)

• 1x Bolt Pistol

1x Rod of Tigurius

1x Storm of the Emperor’s Wrath

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Bladeguard Ancient (55 points)

• Attached as: Support (Character)

• 1x Close combat weapon

1x Heavy bolt pistol

• Enhancement: Scroll of Proclamation

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Bladeguard Veteran Squad (160 points)

• Attached as: Bodyguard

• 1x Bladeguard Veteran Sergeant

• 1x Heavy bolt pistol

1x Master-crafted power weapon

• 5x Bladeguard Veteran

• 5x Heavy bolt pistol

5x Master-crafted power weapon

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Attached Unit 4

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Uriel Ventris (95 points)

• Attached as: Leader (Character)

• 1x Bolt Pistol

1x Invictus

1x Sword of Idaeus

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Company Heroes (105 points)

• Attached as: Bodyguard

• 1x Ancient

• 1x Bolt pistol

1x Bolt rifle

1x Close combat weapon

• 1x Company Champion

• 1x Bolt pistol

1x Master-crafted power weapon

• 2x Company Veteran

• 2x Bolt pistol

2x Close combat weapon

1x Master-crafted bolt rifle

1x Master-crafted heavy bolter

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Attached Unit 5

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Librarian (80 points)

• Attached as: Leader (Character)

• 1x Bolt pistol

1x Force weapon

1x Smite

• Enhancement: Fusillade

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Sternguard Veteran Squad (190 points)

• Attached as: Bodyguard

• 1x Sternguard Veteran Sergeant

• 1x Close combat weapon

1x Sternguard bolt pistol

1x Sternguard bolt rifle

• 9x Sternguard Veteran

• 9x Close combat weapon

9x Sternguard bolt pistol

7x Sternguard bolt rifle

2x Sternguard heavy bolter

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CHARACTERS

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Lieutenant with Combi-weapon (95 points)

• 1x Combi-weapon

1x Paired combat blades

• Enhancement: Avenging Avatar (Aura)

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BATTLELINE

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Intercessor Squad (80 points)

• 1x Intercessor Sergeant

• 1x Bolt pistol

1x Bolt rifle

1x Power fist

• 4x Intercessor

• 1x Astartes grenade launcher

4x Bolt pistol

4x Bolt rifle

4x Close combat weapon

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OTHER DATASHEETS

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Eradicator Squad with Heavy Bolters (70 points)

• 1x Eradicator Sergeant

• 1x Bolt pistol

1x Close-combat weapon

1x Heavy Bolter

• 2x Eradicator

• 2x Bolt pistol

2x Close-combat weapon

2x Heavy Bolter

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Gladiator Lancer (160 points)

• 1x Armoured hull

1x Icarus rocket pod

1x Ironhail heavy stubber

1x Lancer laser destroyer

2x Storm bolter

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Incursor Squad (85 points)

• 1x Incursor Sergeant

• 1x Bolt pistol

1x Occulus bolt carbine

1x Paired combat blades

• 4x Incursor

• 4x Bolt pistol

4x Occulus bolt carbine

4x Paired combat blades

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Scout Squad (65 points)

• 1x Scout Sergeant

• 1x Astartes chainsword

1x Bolt pistol

1x Close combat weapon

• 4x Scout

• 4x Bolt pistol

2x Boltgun

4x Close combat weapon

1x Missile launcher

1x Scout sniper rifle

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Exported with App Version: v2.0.1 (122), Data Version: v875

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This list uses of the -1 to wound while on objectives across the army to make pretty beefy squads. victrix guard and company heroes also have -1 to wound already so would help if the enemy has +1 to wound. It also utilizes the buffs from the libarius conclave with 3 units for pyromancy for the libarian with sternguard or biomancy for 2 extra inches of movement for tigurius and the wardens. It also has avenging avatar for more battleshock checks when enemies are below starting strength in a 9 inch aura which i had the points leftover for.

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1 thing i am not sure one is i should attach to tigurius a bladeguard ancient for the extra oc or a Lieutenant for better damage. You want to control the objective to get the -1 to wound and otherwise the squad would only be 8 oc. With the ancient it is now 16 oc.

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The other thing is if i need the Eradicators with Heavy bolters or if i should take them or put 3 more bladeguard with titus and the wardens. The eradicators would give me another action monkey and help with dealing with skirmishers while the bladeguard would make the squad hit harder and tankier.

this came from the new slaanesh points document where the sogy profiles were removed and instead we got new SoA profiles

They forgot do add the dispositions but have updated it.

With gladius and blades of ultramar being 3dp and having priority assests as a force disposition is it still the best way to run. Priority assests require a lot of actions to be done and hurts pretty elite armies. I think that reclamation force might be better as it is 2dp and has take and hold as it's force disposition which doesn't have many actions to do. You could combine it with librarius conclave to get the very powerful sternguard brick and wardens of ultramar become stronger at it also has a psyker in it. +2 move and +2 charge from biomancy and furious dedication can offset not having advance and charge and calgar still gives his squad advance and charge.

courtesy of tabletop tactics with their faction focusses on their subscription website

these aren't all the detachments that space marines can run and if there isn't a dp next to it then they didn't mention it as either being able to combine with another 1dp detachment.

these are subject to change

When gw uploads the rest i will update this with those as well but this should be most of it.

they did mention a lot of detachments give priority assests

edit: added the rest of the detachment points for the other detachments. they didn't upload the dispositions as far as i can see.

codex space marines

gladius task force (3dp) priority assests

blades of ultramar (3dp) priority assests

reclamation force (2dp) take and hold

emperor's shield (2dp) priority assests

ceramite sentinels (3dp) take and hold

bastion task force (2dp) take and hold

libarius conclave (1dp) disruption or recconnaissance (mentioned twice with different dispositions so don't which one)

shadowmark talon (2dp) disruption

vanguard task force (2dp) disruption

subversion assests (1dp) disruption

forgefather seekers (2dp) purge the foe (was apprently changed last minute)

fulguris task force (1dp) disruption

spearpoint task force (2dp) disruption

stormlance task force (3dp) disruption

firestorm assault force (2dp) purge the foe

ironstorm spearhead (2dp) purge the foe

hammers of avernii (2dp) priority assests

1st company task force (2dp) priority assests

headhunters task force (2dp) priority assests

orbital assault force (2dp) take and hold

armoured speartip (3dp)

blood angels

angelic inheritors (3dp) priority assests

rage cursed onslaught (3dp) purge the foe

liberator assault group (3dp) take and hold

wrath of the doomed (1dp) purge the foe

encarmine speartip (1dp)

legacy of grace (1dp)

the lost brethren (2dp)

the angelic host (2dp)

dark angels

dark age arsenal (1dp) priority assests

lion's blade task force (2dp) purge the foe

wrath of the rock (3dp) priority assests

company of hunters (2dp) disruption

interrogation conclave (1dp) purge the foe

inner circle task force (2dp) priority assests

unforgiven task force (2dp)

black templars

wrathful procession (1dp) take and hold

vindication task force (2dp) priority assests

companions of vehemence (2dp) purge of the foe

the living miracle (1dp) purge of the foe

godhammer assault force (2dp) disruption

marshal's household (1dp) priority assests

space wolves

saga of the great wolf (2dp) take and hold

legends of saga and song (1dp) take and hold

saga of the beast slayer (2dp) purge the foe

veterans of the fang (1dp) disruption

champions of fenris (1dp)

saga of the bold (2dp)

saga of the hunter (2dp)

deathwatch (you still live)

black spear task force (3dp)

grey knights (why are you here)

Argent Assault (1DP)

Fires of Purgation (1DP)

Immaterial Interdiction (1DP)

Augurium Task Force (2DP)

Banishers (2DP)

Brotherhood Strike (2DP)

Hallowed Conclave (2DP)

Sanctic Spearhead (2DP)

Warpbane Task Force (3DP)