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I don't mean in a relationship but I mean a friends with benefits situation where they are only having sex with each other .

XO kitty did this , I think it's the only show i v seen do this , never seen any book or movie or any other show with that slight twist of the trope.

Kitty figures out that maybe Dae and Yuri are fake dating and Dae and Yuri actually don't develop feelings for each other after fake dating and Dae is still in to Kitty !

XO kitty did this , I think it's the only show i v seen do this , never seen any book or movie or any other show with that slight twist of the trope.

Kitty figures out that maybe Dae and Yuri are fake dating and Dae and Yuri actually don't develop feelings for each other after fake dating and Dae is still in to Kitty !

Because I think it would have been kind of awkward Hannah arriving in her tight dress and the others might guess what her and Garett were going to do etc.

But it was totally empty because tv show magic.

Sorry i'm just a bit confused about that since they never discussed that they d go over to Garett's for the night.

Also once Garett and Hannah were a couple , I think Hannah was basically staying at Garett's..

Of course they are 2 different cases but even Susan Smith who drove her two kinds in to a pond was given I think 30 years with parole, something like that and the brothers have stayed longer than 30 years.

Of course whether its parents killing their kids or kids killing their parents , both are terrible but the Clancy kids were innocent , the same cannot be said about Kitty and Jose. Of course Lindsey was not in her might mind when she committed the crime and the brother' defense didn't opt for that line of defense. I think the imperfect defense, that they were scared and not thinking straight was not a bad defense also because it is kind of the truth.

Its also so sad when a parent is killed and they were innocent, i ve seen a few cases like that . The brothers case never read like that , there was enough evidence that pointed to an abusive, incest family. And yeah the ideal is always to report to the police than kill someone but I do believe they felt isolated and did not think they d be believed. They couldn't even tell relatives. For sure if they had a more competent judge/jury they d have gotten a different ruling. Does anyone think they could even have been acquitted ?

But I guess a more accurate title would be on campus since the most of the story takes place on campus..

I at first felt that the male equivalent of manic pixie dream girl doesn't exist but now that i'm thinking about it Edward kind of fits that trope : he had this ethereal vibe to him, he is perfect looks wise , and feels out of reach for the FMC sometimes ( like in the second book ).

Like that just makes it hard for me to root for them. I get that its a show and a show needs drama/conflict but seeing the MMC like that when he supposed to be in to the FMC at his point - i don't know.

I think that is why i kind of see how viewers could root for Logan for Hannah instead since he has more self control, doesn't sleep around and that is what naturally makes viewers want to root for the MMC.

At first when i'd come across it ( Bridgeton, one tree hill and others ) I shrugged it off because I thought ok its one trope amongst others but when off campus used it too, now I couldn't ignore it anymore since off campus is quite recent .

So different authors all use this trope a bit differently ( but it's the same in essence) , in Bridgeton Benedict only has casual relationships until he meets Sophie, Anthony did have a mistress he was sort of exclusive with but i don't think he treated her well and Nathan also fits that trope where he did have a girlfriend ( Peyton ) but treats her badly and Garett from off campus, it's known on campus that he " doesn't do girlfriends " yet he does have sex which in my head was confusing because I thought you 'd need a girlfriend in order to have someone to have sex with.

As you d expect. all these men become incredibly devoted to their respective FMCS but as a viewer or reader, i can't totally forget the scenes with the women before they meet their FMC. What is so special about the FMC that differentiates her that much from the other women ? Usually the FMC is more virginal ( does that word exist), isn't immediately interested in the MMC and that piques the interest of the MMC. The MMC never seem to like their previous partners who are more sexually experienced. I suppose Kate from Bridgeton would be an exception to that as it seemed like she did have a past before but she does fulfil the criteria of not showing interest in Anthony at first like the other ladies of the ton.

Maybe authors or tv show runners can just allude to the MMC having a past but not really show him having sex with a woman that he will not want to be with beyond the physical side but he will want to with the FMC. It just leaves a bad taste in my mouth because I can't help thinking about that those women and wondering what happens to them even though they are characters that have minor roles in the story.

I get that you can have a connection with on person and not with another and that is why you want to commit to this person and not the other person but i dunno the way this is portrayed in book sand shows , it feels too trope ish, because its always similar kind of women the MMC wants to commit to i.e the quirky, good girl. We see this in one tree hill, Bridgeton, Off Campus, after series and I'm sure there are more.

Would it work to have it the other way round where its the FMC who sleeps around but then she meet that particular MMC that makes her want to commit to him..

I get the appeal of the trope is this idea that the MMC chose the main girl and most readers can self insert in to the main girl..

I guess there is no harm in having this trope if its done well , in off campus Garett does apologise to Kendal that he misread that she wanted something more. But an MMC who treats all the woman that are not the FMC badly is kind of a red flag.

In case anyone is confused : MMC - main male character FMC- female male character.

For funny story by Emily Henry

"** spoiler alert ** If my boyfriend disappeared for 24 hours and it was to help his ex move I'd literally never talk to him again. "

"you know how food tastes bland when you forget to add salt to it? this is the book equivalent of that."

"I had more fun reading other one- and two-star reviews."

"i don’t wanna talk about it so i won’t "

"miles loved his ex more than daphne, and no one can convince me otherwise 😭"

Hilarious reviews for one golden summer by Carley Fortune

"So there’s this worst book ever published….

If you liked this book please reach out to me so I can study your brain and what is wrong with it thank you " ( This one made me audibly chuckle )

Review of normal people that made me cry in laughter

"On the second page of Sally Rooney’s universally acclaimed, Booker- longlisted novel is the following paragraph:

‘He puts his hands in his pockets and suppresses an irritable sigh, but suppresses it with an audible intake of breath, so that it still sounds like a sigh.’

What?

I get the hand in the pockets bit, but how the hell does the rest of it work? A sigh is an exhalation and I have no idea how any attempt to suppress a sigh by inhaling could possibly sound like one. I’ve tried hard to imagine it, but no luck. I’ve tried even harder to do it, but even less luck. In fact, in an effort to understand this twaddle I have tried it so often that I have come close on several occasions to hyperventilating and passing out.

What have those Faber editors been doing? Maybe they have no problem with it because they are all so much cleverer than me and know how to read properly. Or maybe they also tried to do it and actually did pass out, which might explain why they have failed to apply the editorial pencil with any intelligence in the 264 pages that follow.

The more likely explanation, of course, is that the problem is mine – and I offer the following gems from Normal People on that understanding…

• ‘He looks down into his lap, and exhales quickly, almost like a cough’.

It’s hyperventilation time again. I’ve imagined it and I’ve tried it, but I still don’t get it.

• ‘He can’t even visually imagine himself as a lawyer, wearing a tie and so on..’

Do we really need that ‘visually’?

• ‘It’s true she is Connell’s type, maybe even the originary model of the type:’

Originary? What does that mean? Am I the only one who had to look it up? (It’s not in Chambers, by the way, so you’ll need the OED)

• ‘Peggy, watching, took a performatively large mouthful of Cointreau…’

Can anyone explain what ‘performatively large’ actually means?

• ‘Enraged now, Alan wrenched her back from the sink by her upper arm, and, seemingly spontaneously, spat at her.’

Seemingly spontaneously?

I could go on. It’s not often that I feel the need to read with a pencil in my hand but Normal People drove me to it, and my copy is now covered with question marks and annotations. I retired from teaching last year but reading Sally Rooney’s feted novel felt like I was marking again - in this case marking the work of a precocious, but overindulged, talent.

In 'Normal People' alternating points of view are combined with an inconsistent and confusing authorial presence, voices are often difficult to differentiate in an ineffectual free indirect style, the comma splices (Ferrante this isn’t) and the unpunctuated dialogue, far from creating an impressionistic flow, suggest a lack of precision, and the prose shifts from past to present for no apparent reason and even within paragraphs, creating a chronological blur. In short, it's a bit of a mess.

If I cared about the characters or cared about the story, these things would not matter quite so much but on the few occasions when I saw through the writerly mess I found it difficult to care about them at all.

The novel, though, has been so well received that its very reception has become a news story. ‘Salinger for the Snapchat generation’: critics unite to praise 27 year-old novelist’ was the headline in last Saturday’s Guardian.

So the problem is clearly mine.
Maybe I've read a different book from the one everyone is raving about. Maybe I've read the same book but don't know how to read properly. Or it could be that I'm the child's voice at the back of the crowd politely suggesting that the emperor might not be wearing any clothes. "

I low key want mediocre books to be published just because of the enjoyment of reading the 2 and one star reviews.

I know they were just friends at that point but the way he shrugs at Kendall and Kendall shrugs back and then he dances for her and Kendall is just sitting there bopping her head and enjoying , they were so cute , if i just saw that scene and not the whole show, i'd think they are boyfriend/girlfriend because of how comfortable they seemed around each other.

Side note : Wouldn't it be fun to pair Justin with Kendall..

At first didn't think of her that way ( I didn't know this trope as a child when I read the book ) and later when i came to hear of this trope used famously to describer summer from 5 days of summer and I believe also Jess from new girl as well as others, I still didn't think of her that way because of it being a children's book and her ultimately dying.

But now that I think of it she does kind of fit that trope ( perhaps especially how she is styled and presented in the film, i' ve forgotten a bit how she reads in the book), she is quirky, cheerful, a bit mysterious , there is an other wordily quality to her and she is not like the other girls , she does these cool sports like scuba diving, she runs faster than the boys, she thinks differently about church and god ( that was something cool in the movie and book that it addressed something liked that ), she also dies tragically so she is kind of immortalized with this pixie dream like quality , you don't get to see her grow older perhaps become more grumpy because of life' s challenges and her appearance changing.

Or perhaps she appears like a manic pixie dream girl because that is how Jess sees her. I think that is how Jess also sees his teacher whom he has a crush on except that vision of his teacher is shattered when hearing that Leslie died while he was out with his teacher.

Also is there such a thing as a manic pixie dream boy ? Would Edward from twilight kind of fit that trope ?

I'm talking particularly about the scene where he dances to make Hannah comfortable when they are going to practice having sex so she can be ready for Justin ( in real life that would be weird as hell ) . His moves were so goofy and cute, you can see a bit of the actor Belmot in that scene . And there was the scene where he dances a bit at the Shakespeare thing.

What is your moment that had you smiling ?

I've seen this now in both off campus , one tree hill and i'm sure there are others. The hot jock, so lets say Garett and Nathan are both attracted to the innocent, " good girl " musically inclined , academically inclined FMC lets say Hailey or Hannah . And in both cases the hot jocks are not that in to their previous partners who are more sexually experienced they just have thing for the girl with the quirky, innocent vibes girl. We also see it in never have i ever , Devi, the quirky girl tutoring the hot jock Paxton. So i guess this is the classic trope then.

Have you read a reversal of this trope where the FMC is the hockey player, or basket ball player or any sport , so a female jock ( is that a thing btw , rarely see that in teen dramas ) who is failing at her academics and needs the help of the quirky guy, good at his academics and also musically inclined ?

Also do the sporty guys ever have crushes on sporty women ? I feel like in real life a sporty guy would gravitate towards a sporty woman rather than the artist , good at academics woman that most authors seem to imagine and write about. I guess the contrast makes it more interesting than if they were both in to sports.

Not sure if i'm the only millennial watching off campus lol.

Who do you think did the tutoring trope better one tree hill or Off campus ?

I think there are quite a few similarities both Hailey and Hannah are "good " girls give off that innocent, quirky vibe that seems to attract the hot jocks in tv shows, both are good at academics , Hannah is big on singing and music and i think Hailey has a music side too if i'm not mistaken, Garett and Nathen both don't like previous partners enough to commit to them but that changes for Hannah and Hailey.

In term of differences , i d say the tutoring aspect is a bit more in one tree hill and and initially Hailey is more hesitant towards Nathen than Hannah is to Garett. Also i like that in one tree hill, Hailey doesn't walk in on Garett um having oral sex with a random woman like that happens in off campus , i kind of felt that was unnecessary.

Not sure if I'm the only millennial watching this show I do wonder if the author is also a millennial and was inspired by tutoring situation in one tree hill.

I'm not sure who did this trope better off campus or one tree hill..

Um in real life i think we d all prefer showers to have doors or at least shower curtains for some privacy. In the context of the two shows mentioned above , the characters are in to each other that way from the beginning so it doesn't come off as creepy but i dunno its not my favourite trope.

In off campus, Hannah can't help starring at Garett for a bit, which yeah in the context of the show it's cute but if the roles were reversed and it was Gatrett looking at Haanah in the shower , i don't feel like it would come off as cute and Hannah would probably scream or tell Garett to go away.

I feel like in that scene it was just meant to be innocent , Hannah innocently looked , she snapped out of it and went away so it didn't come across as creepy but i feel again if the roles were reversed it would come across as creepy .

Do these showers not have doors or at least shower curtains for privacy ? lol.