u/Charming-Scratch-124

I feel like discussing certain main characters in certain subreddits/pages is almost as impossible as discussing female characters in a anime subreddit cause people are so GODDAMN PICKY and it ruins any sort of fun.

I can understand inconsistencies will be annoying here and there but it gets to a point where it just gets kinda..no,not kinda..REALLY annoying with how insanely picky and overly specific certain fans of MCs can be.

I'm not even straight up saying you can't critique or have issues or preferences but it gets to a point where it's like..ok,we get it,you didn't like that version of him due to your own bias or just finding another version of said character better,that is completely and totally fine but come on,can we try to have a reasonable discussion and talk about this instead of constantly bitching,arguing and all that?

The first example of this..is goddamn Sonic.

Like Sonic fans genuinely do not know what they want out of this Hedgehog cause they hate when he shows emotions,they hate when he has fun,they hate when he does anything and you guys treat Sonic like how Makima from Chainsaw Man treats Pochita/Chainsaw Man.

Sonic fans see Sonic show any sort of emotion or feelings or have any flaws or good traits or just fucking anything from him and go crazy in the worst way possible and this goes for the whole franchise as well..cause Sonic fans deadass are almost never happy.

Another example of this Post..is Ash Ketchum.

The way Ash fans talk about him,you would think he has split personality disorder with the way they talk about how he was in Kalos and Alola.

Like these are literally the same character,the only difference is the Artstyle.

Ash is still a competent and skilled trainer in Alola(he literally gained the interest of Tapu Koko in like..the first episode)but he's just learning new things cause he's not only on vacation but in a entirely new region.

People be acting like he goes out and does math tests and all that when he does the island trials and battles Totem Pokemon and all that.

It's to a point where they can't even happy that he won the league cause he didn't win with the team and way they specifically want and it shows.

I would argue Alola Ash is one of his best portrayals..if you don't like that version of him,fine but you don't have to Mischaracterize him.

I would also argue characters like Superman and Batman tend to fit this mold as does Spider-Man and i get that there are different versions of these characters so discussions can be very muddled and messy but at the same time,why not just explain what you want out of these characters instead of just complaining and being overly critical to the point of obnoxiousness?

I'm not saying you can't like certain portrayals or versions of characters and if you do,more power to you,that is straight up fine.

But actually say what you want with these characters and express what you like as well as criticism instead of just being painfully nit-picky.

Short answer:Really downbad cause y'all be using the word Fumble constantly to the point where I severely question if you actually know what that words means.

Again,Fumbling implies a character is actively trying to get with someone but failed badly due to their personality or they were already in a romantic relationship(or something like that)but was character ruined it due to their flaws and issues.

If someone isn't trying to get with someone or just turns them down,then that's not fumbling,you cannot make someone romantically like you.

That's not how romance and love works.

Just cause y'all are Gooners who would fold if a evil woman or a woman in general showed you a flash of titty doesn't mean everyone else is like you.

First example is Gigantia and Jimmy from My Adventures with Superman.

Now if you wanna argue if Jimmy fumbled Kara or not,that's whatever but how the hell did Jimmy fumble Gigantia?

She literally was gonna experiment on him without his consent, was asking extra personal questions and tweaked out once she got rejected and was trying to turn him into like some animal.

I would argue Jimmy dodged a huge red flag/massive Bullet,not that he fumbled her.

And I'm also seeing people mad that he said that they can just be friends..like how is that a Bad thing?

Y'all really need to stop thinking with your Dicks.

Another example is the weird amount of people who say from Akame GA Kill that Tatsumi fumbled Esdeath..I would argue it was the other way around considering she was and is a literal insane sociopath who enjoyed hurting innocents and was just mentally insane and just cruel and all that + she was just a good amount older then him.

Y'all only say he fumbled cause "tall domanatrix women with big boobs" as if he ain't the victim in this scenario.

Another and this is my last example is certain people saying Saitama fumbled either Fubuki or Tatsumaki..he didn't.

He just didn't romantically like them and it's not like they were S-tiers in personality either, so how the hell did he fumble them?

Fumbling implies intention to get with them..if you're not even romantically into them or trying to get with them,you didn't fumble.

I think the big issue is that people tend to heavily and I mean HEAVILY project onto these characters, like "oh if I was them,I would get with these baddies" and it's like..Cool,they're not you and you are not them,so like..stop.

If you don't like what a character does of any age ,that's more power to you and if you want to critique and have issues with what they do and say and all that, then that is completely all the more power to you.

But uh..I'm gonna let you all in on a secret, Kids and Teens are fucking Immature!

Like they're gonna be immature or say Immature things or act that way at times..kids are also gonna act selfish or reckless or stubborn or just tend to think that they know more then they actually do,thats kinda the point of parents teaching them shit and them maturing and becoming better and learning from their flaws and mistakes is kind of the point..

People always claim they want "accountability" but I think it becomes more apparent that they just want said character to be tortured and abused and constantly be reminded of their flaws and mistakes and choices regardless of how much accountability they take.

Nothing will be enough and it really feels like people are much harder on kids and teen characters then they really should be at times and you don't have to be this overly intense asshole to call someone of any age of out unless you're dealing with a fully grown adult and even then, that's unnecessary.

I also find it weird how people act like teen and kid characters just..stay the same and aren't allowed to grow or develop into better and more mature people snd it just comes off as really black and white cause like...God forbid a teen or kid character makes mistakes/is a asshole at first but over the years and time develops and grows into a better person..crazy,right?

I also think a good chunk of the reason for this..is protection, like they're projecting their feelings onto other characters on how they feel about certain characters and that's where disclosure gets really,really messy cause it becomes obvious nothing a teen/young character will do will ever be enough and if you don't forgive them or whatever, all the most power to you but please like..I don't even really know what to say.

Aang,Katara and Korra and arguably Zuko to a huge extent fit this cause it's like people forget that all of these characters are 12-17 at the beginning of the series.

Hell,we don't see Aang as a adult until the damn movie and my point is that the way people will hold their mistakes above their head and constantly give them shit for it tends to be annoying for disclosure, especially Korra cause at the end of S4,she's a lot more mature and not as hot-headed or aggressive or assertive like she was before.

Yeah, 17 year olds tend to mature and grow into better people as the years go by,crazy huh?

Bakugou from Mha also fits here and this one is particularly annoying cause people are like "his growth and development wasn't deserved" And like..you don't earn or deserve character growth/development ,it's something you get on your own.

Bakugou started off as a asshole and cocky bully who thought he was hot shit until he went to UA and got humbled by teachers and by Deku and over the story ,we see him become less and less of a asshole.

He matures,becomes less arrogant and egotistical + his relationship with Deku actually gets better and both his superiority and inferiority complex get confronted and he realizes his mistakes and becomes better,the guy even apologizes to him and also dies for him and puts his faith and trust in Deku.

Like genuinely, what the hell more do y'all want?

And it's also weird how people are like "oh he didn't receive consequences" and I just find that a very broad term cause it's very obvious they just mean him being beat up or constantly reminded of his mistakes while a shame bell rings, they don't actually want growth and development.

Octavia fits here cause people will deadass be mad that the emotionally hurt 17 year old thinks she's the cause of her Dad's suffering and depression and thinks he would be happier without her + is also upset on the fact that he's a loving but still not a amazing father and could improve in a lot of areas and needs space from him.

There will also be times where when people who headcanon/are like "oh these characters most likely got better and became better people as they got older" and others will actively castrate and call you a abuse apologist, like God forbid I wanna headcanon character growth/development over literal middle schoolers.

Boscha from the Owl House fits at this point cause people will deadass look at you crazy if you're like "hey this 14 year old girl likely became a better person over the years",like that's a hot take.

The Kanker sisters fit here as well and I'm gonna be real..dislike them and what they do all you want but please do not act like the goddamn moral police.

Like this is a 90s cartoon, obviously the humor and what the characters do and all that is gonna be extremely exaggerated and all that, there is no need to get your balls in a twist.

Also these girls are literally 12.

Like they're not in their 20s,they are literally 12.

They haven't even reached puberty yet,I think only Rolf,Nazz and Kevin are the actual teens of the show(and even then,they're like 13-14),so I want you all to look me in the eye and ask me why I'm the crazy one for being like "hey,these emotionally stunted 12 year old girls likely matured and got better post movie and into their teenage years and onward",like is that not how maturing and puberty works?

We know from the movie that they genuinely like them, so it's like..what are we doing here?

I ask this question for all kid and teen characters, like what are we doing?

Are we really beefing and holding kids and literal teenagers to grown adult standards?

I feel like both fans and haters of certain characters go too far in opposite directions and that tends to affect how people overall see their arc and that's kind of a issue.

It's not impossible or hard to just..acknowledge a character's flaws or mistakes while also acknowledging and praising their good qualities as either a person or just as a overall character and it feels like both sides of a character's group go too far in opposite directions.

Acknowledging a character is funny or interesting or likable or anything like that isn't ignoring the bad things/mistakes they've done nor is it impossible to hold them accountable for their mistakes without coming off as overly petty,nitpicky or just..a asshole.

It just feels like on here,you either really love a character or you just really hate a character and there's no gray area of "they've made mistakes and some of their choices were justified and some were not but at the same time,they're a overall still good person or character and acknowledging their good traits isn't a bad thing" or "how said character acted was wrong and they made mistakes but it's understandable due to circumstances why".

I say this as someone who was in the Last Airbender and L.O.K Fandom and that place more or less has the same issues with character's like Iroh,Zuko,Katara and even Korra.

You got people who like them ignore and downplay their mistakes but you also got people who hate them just ignore their growth and development and act like they're just..demons, like Nooo..THERE'S A FUCKING MIDDLE GROUND.

Hazbin hotel overall has this problem with characters like Sera or Charlie or Stolas or Lucifer or Blitz or Angel Dust.

You can't really talk about them without people who love them ignoring their flaws and mistakes but you also also can't talk about them without people who hate them just constantly bringing up their mistakes and flaws as if that's all that defined them as characters and people.

This also works for a lot of other groups as well,you can't really praise or critique a character without both people who love them or hate them going too far in both sides and that kinda ruins disclosure.