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If Kaufmo had abstracted soon after Ribbit, I'd agree that Jax deserves the blame and we should hold him responsible since he pushed Kaufmo away and dismissed him. But since he didn't, I don't get the idea Jax is the one who drove him to abstraction as he had other friends than Jax and Ribbit. It was despair at realizing he'd forever be trapped there and thanks to Caine's fake exit that he likely conjured. Not to mention, we literally know the other's didn't laugh at his jokes either, they're not as guilty as Jax but that almost certainly played a part. IMO the guilt goes Caine > Jax > rest of the circus members than just Jax.

Comics!A-Train died specifically because of how vile he is, not having any remorse for what he did to Robin and later SA Starlight by what pushes Hughie to kill him. While Tv Series!A-Train dies because of his character development, choosing to swerve to avoid killing the women rather than run through her.

When this first dropped the day after episode 8, everyone was clowning Jax for "trying so hard to be different" and simply assumed "episode 9 will deal with him finally confronting his guilt and opening up". Man is this brutal in hindsight

At least one helped the other players when Caine went villain mode, the other did nothing noble

They stuck with the "softest, wettest boy" until the end.

Firstly, now we're hating Jax for what happened with his mom too? I guess abuser's are only sympathetic as long they harm Jax (his mom and Caine), because his mom spent an unspecified time amount of time emotionally abusing him and he didn't push her with intent to harm, he just wanted to get space. He clearly regretted it (and even said he wasn't sure if she was pretending to be hurt so he'd feel bad).

Not to mention, objectively JAX never pushed her, Leroy did. If we're judging Jax the same as Leroy, then I guess we have to say he redeemed himself because Leory turned his life around.

Secondly, its crazy how people just try simplify what happened with Ribbit and Kaufmo. Jax did cause Ribbit's abstraction but it wasn't his intent, we literally see him trying to knock on the door to apologize to her. That single interaction with Kaufmo is not the reason he abstracted, it was the despair over there being no exit. Jax literally wept in front of the mirror when he lost Kaufmo, just look at his face when opening the door, he clearly had no idea Kaufmo was THAT close to abstracting.

Finally, why are we pretending that people only liked Jax after the reveal he was trans? He literally won the irl favorite character poll. He's been a fan favorite since the pilot episode. I haven't seen anyone switching up after Gooseworx's reveal. Fans like Jax because while he IS a bad person, he's also a compelling character who we can understand sympathize with why he became the way he did.

Firstly, now we're hating Jax for what happened with his mom too? I guess abuser's are only sympathetic as long they harm Jax (his mom and Caine), because his mom spent an unspecified time amount of time emotionally abusing him and he didn't push her with intent to harm, he just wanted to get space. He clearly regretted it (and even said he wasn't sure if she was pretending to be hurt so he'd feel bad).

Not to mention, objectively JAX never pushed her, Leroy did. If we're judging Jax the same as Leroy, then I guess we have to say he redeemed himself because Leory turned his life around.

Secondly, its crazy how people just try simplify what happened with Ribbit and Kaufmo. Jax did cause Ribbit's abstraction but it wasn't his intent, we literally see him trying to knock on the door to apologize to her. That single interaction with Kaufmo is not the reason he abstracted, it was the despair over there being no exit. Jax literally wept in front of the mirror when he lost Kaufmo, just look at his face when opening the door, he clearly had no idea Kaufmo was THAT close to abstracting.

Finally, why are we pretending that people only liked Jax after the reveal he was trans? He literally won the irl favorite character poll. He's been a fan favorite since the pilot episode. I haven't seen anyone switching up after Gooseworx's reveal. Fans like Jax because while he IS a bad person, he's also a compelling character who we can understand sympathize with why he became the way he did.

Firstly, now we're hating Jax for what happened with his mom too? I guess abuser's are only sympathetic as long they harm Jax (his mom and Caine), because his mom spent an unspecified time amount of time emotionally abusing him and he didn't push her with intent to harm, he just wanted to get space. He clearly regretted it (and even said he wasn't sure if she was pretending to be hurt so he'd feel bad).

Not to mention, objectively JAX never pushed her, Leroy did. If we're judging Jax the same as Leroy, then I guess we have to say he redeemed himself because Leory turned his life around.

Secondly, its crazy how people just try simplify what happened with Ribbit and Kaufmo. Jax did cause Ribbit's abstraction but it wasn't his intent, we literally see him trying to knock on the door to apologize to her. That single interaction with Kaufmo is not the reason he abstracted, it was the despair over there being no exit. Jax literally wept in front of the mirror when he lost Kaufmo, just look at his face when opening the door, he clearly had no idea Kaufmo was THAT close to abstracting.

Finally, why are we pretending that people only liked Jax after the reveal he was trans? He literally won the irl favorite character poll. He's been a fan favorite since the pilot episode. I haven't seen anyone switching up after Gooseworx's reveal. Fans like Jax because while he IS a bad person, he's also a compelling character who we can understand sympathize with why he became the way he did.

Firstly, now we're hating Jax for what happened with his mom too? I guess abuser's are only sympathetic as long they harm Jax (his mom and Caine), because his mom spent an unspecified time amount of time emotionally abusing him and he didn't push her with intent to harm, he just wanted to get space. He clearly regretted it (and even said he wasn't sure if she was pretending to be hurt so he'd feel bad).

Not to mention, objectively JAX never pushed her, Leroy did. If we're judging Jax the same as Leroy, then I guess we have to say he redeemed himself because Leory turned his life around.

Secondly, its crazy how people just try simplify what happened with Ribbit and Kaufmo. Jax did cause Ribbit's abstraction but it wasn't his intent, we literally see him trying to knock on the door to apologize to her. That single interaction with Kaufmo is not the reason he abstracted, it was the despair over there being no exit. Jax literally wept in front of the mirror when he lost Kaufmo, just look at his face when opening the door, he clearly had no idea Kaufmo was THAT close to abstracting.

Finally, why are we pretending that people only liked Jax after the reveal he was trans? He literally won the irl favorite character poll. He's been a fan favorite since the pilot episode. I haven't seen anyone switching up after Gooseworx's reveal. Fans like Jax because while he IS a bad person, he's also a compelling character who we can understand sympathize with why he became the way he did.

Firstly, now we're hating Jax for what happened with his mom too? I guess abuser's are only sympathetic as long they harm Jax (his mom and Caine), because his mom spent an unspecified time amount of time emotionally abusing him and he didn't push her with intent to harm, he just wanted to get space. He clearly regretted it (and even said he wasn't sure if she was pretending to be hurt so he'd feel bad).

Not to mention, objectively JAX never pushed her, Leroy did. If we're judging Jax the same as Leroy, then I guess we have to say he redeemed himself because Leory turned his life around.

Secondly, its crazy how people just try simplify what happened with Ribbit and Kaufmo. Jax did cause Ribbit's abstraction but it wasn't his intent, we literally see him trying to knock on the door to apologize to her. That single interaction with Kaufmo is not the reason he abstracted, it was the despair over there being no exit. Jax literally wept in front of the mirror when he lost Kaufmo, just look at his face when opening the door, he clearly had no idea Kaufmo was THAT close to abstracting.

Finally, why are we pretending that people only liked Jax after the reveal he was trans? He literally won the irl favorite character poll. He's been a fan favorite since the pilot episode. I haven't seen anyone switching up after Gooseworx's reveal. Fans like Jax because while he IS a bad person, he's also a compelling character who we can understand sympathize with why he became the way he did.

Firstly, now we're hating Jax for what happened with his mom too? I guess abuser's are only sympathetic as long they harm Jax (his mom and Caine), because his mom spent an unspecified time amount of time emotionally abusing him and he didn't push her with intent to harm, he just wanted to get space. He clearly regretted it (and even said he wasn't sure if she was pretending to be hurt so he'd feel bad).

Not to mention, objectively JAX never pushed her, Leroy did. If we're judging Jax the same as Leroy, then I guess we have to say he redeemed himself because Leory turned his life around.

Secondly, its crazy how people just try simplify what happened with Ribbit and Kaufmo. Jax did cause Ribbit's abstraction but it wasn't his intent, we literally see him trying to knock on the door to apologize to her. That single interaction with Kaufmo is not the reason he abstracted, it was the despair over there being no exit. Jax literally wept in front of the mirror when he lost Kaufmo, just look at his face when opening the door, he clearly had no idea Kaufmo was THAT close to abstracting.

Finally, why are we pretending that people only liked Jax after the reveal he was trans? He literally won the irl favorite character poll. He's been a fan favorite since the pilot episode. I haven't seen anyone switching up after Gooseworx's reveal. Fans like Jax because while he IS a bad person, he's also a compelling character who we can understand sympathize with why he became the way he did.

Firstly, now we're hating Jax for what happened with his mom too? I guess abuser's are only sympathetic as long they harm Jax (his mom and Caine), because his mom spent an unspecified time amount of time emotionally abusing him and he didn't push her with intent to harm, he just wanted to get space. He clearly regretted it (and even said he wasn't sure if she was pretending to be hurt so he'd feel bad).

Not to mention, objectively JAX never pushed her, Leroy did. If we're judging Jax the same as Leroy, then I guess we have to say he redeemed himself because Leory turned his life around.

Secondly, its crazy how people just try simplify what happened with Ribbit and Kaufmo. Jax did cause Ribbit's abstraction but it wasn't his intent, we literally see him trying to knock on the door to apologize to her. That single interaction with Kaufmo is not the reason he abstracted, it was the despair over there being no exit. Jax literally wept in front of the mirror when he lost Kaufmo, just look at his face when opening the door, he clearly had no idea Kaufmo was THAT close to abstracting.

Finally, why are we pretending that people only liked Jax after the reveal he was trans? He literally won the irl favorite character poll. He's been a fan favorite since the pilot episode. I haven't seen anyone switching up after Gooseworx's reveal. Fans like Jax because while he IS a bad person, he's also a compelling character who we can understand sympathize with why he became the way he did.

We live for hating Jax here but is what happened with his mom also something he deserves hate for in your opinion?

Agenda aside and all, do you think these polls results are accurate or recency bias/popularity difference?

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