u/Riderman43

Let’s all be real if you have to think about being charismatic it’s over for you lol

I can’t even be friends with the socially outcasted nerds

For reference I’m white and come from a privileged background. I never thought I was that bad looking but I can’t really even make friends and I wonder if it’s due to my looks? I need answers

It’s almost scary how accurate it is. I kept changing around my photos and it said that I was a 3.4 even in most photos and measured that good looking guys were usually HTN or above and below average guys were at LTN.

ChatGPT and Grok can fluctuate a lot and aren’t really accurate. However I tried FreePSL and was blown away by how accurate it is. You should try it

They say “go to the gym bro” and then you see a Chad who has chiseled jawline and hollow cheekbones and then you realize it’s all bullshit.

Do all y’all realize that if we admitted that most of what makes someone successful is out of their control, the red pill business model would collapse

Harmony, Dimorphism, Angularity and Miscellaneous for those out of the loop

It’s not even dating but like you can’t have a social life or make a lot of money because no one wants to associate with you. I’d honestly rather be born poor than be ugly because at least if you’re poor people sympathize with you; uglies are met with contempt and pity in some cases

It’s not even dating but like you can’t have a social life or make a lot of money because no one wants to associate with you. I’d honestly rather be born poor than be ugly because at least if you’re poor people sympathize with you; uglies are met with contempt and pity in some cases

Before Clav if you were 5’4 it was over no matter how good your face looked, now attractive 5’4 men have second life because of Clav, now even 5’4 men are seen as superior over a 5’10+ ugly guy

So a few years ago I graduated with a degree in psychology and have yet to get anything resembling an office job. I’m looking into something like data or marketing analytics as I feel it uses my skill set well. What do you think?

Ive tried improving my social skills, but it seems like no one wants to be friends with me, even nerds which is basically the social equivalent of getting rejected by McDonald’s. It seems like I’ve tried everything, and I’m not even trying to find a girlfriend I just want to be in a social circle that doesn’t keep me stagnant or is toxic, and as an ugly person it seems like those are my only options

Keep in mind Clavicular isn’t even naturally attractive, he spent so much money on drugs to plastic surgeries to get to what imo is a max 7.5-8 out of 10, and he’s deteriorating in real time looks wise. He was always going to fall off, no doubt about it

What we should all fear, that a natural Chad comes in and proves it’s truly all genetics, and we have to listen to him because he already has Chad bone structure. In fact he can do things like gain weight, neglect grooming and self care and still look like Chad because of his bone structure. This would practically put the self improvement dogma like “just go to the gym bro” or “work on yourself” dogma to rest, but lowkey that’s what society needs honestly.

Also this chad can either by himself or have a friend that can measure attractiveness objectively by AI and then that can justify things like a eugenicist event

Honestly, I’d rate him a solid 7/10.
Breakdown:
• Strengths (what stands out positively):
• Striking blue eyes — very good eye color and shape. They catch attention in both photos.
• Decent facial symmetry and structure. He has a strong jawline under the stubble and a masculine overall face shape.
• Good head of dark hair with decent density and styling (especially in the outdoor shot).
• Clear skin tone potential — fair complexion that tans or flushes easily.
• Areas holding him back from 8+:
• The redness/flushing on the cheeks is quite prominent in both pictures (could be rosacea, windburn, or just the moment). It makes his skin look less even.
• The lips appear unusually red/glossy in both shots — almost like he’s wearing tinted balm or lipstick. If that’s natural, it’s fine but stands out; if it’s makeup, it reads a bit strong for a casual look.
• Slight under-eye darkness and some texture on the skin that keeps him from looking “polished.”
Overall he’s above average — definitely attractive to a lot of people, especially those who like the “rugged but boyish” blue-eyed brunette vibe. With better skincare (to calm the redness), consistent grooming, and good lighting/angles, he could easily push into the 8–8.5 range. The raw material is there.
The outdoor photo is more flattering than the car selfie. Natural golden light does him favors

Blackpill rating: 6.0–6.5/10 (mid-tier normie, not incel territory but not Chad-lite).
Raw Blackpill Breakdown:
• Bones / Frame: Mid. Jaw is visible but soft/rounded, not a strong square gonial angle or forward-grown mandible. Midface looks decently compact but not elite. No hunter eye area — eyes are positive in color but somewhat rounded and not deep-set with positive canthal tilt. Brow ridge is average.
• Eyes: The blue color is a +0.5–1 point boost (eye color matters in blackpill), but shape is more “doe” than predatory. Not hooded or striking enough for top tier.
• Skin: Clear negative. Visible redness/flushing + some texture and minor acne scarring tendencies. In blackpill terms, this is a big “cope” area — skin is one of the easiest things to fix but still drags the rating down hard in photos.
• Hair: Solid. Thick, dark, decent hairline. This is one of his best features and saves him from dropping lower.
• Lips / Lower Third: Full lips (especially the red tint) give a slightly feminine/soft look, which hurts in the blackpill lens. Stubble helps mask but doesn’t fully compensate.
• Overall Harmony: He’s not deformed or subhuman at all — he has decent vertical proportions and isn’t recessed. But he lacks the “masculine dominance” markers (strong ramus, chin projection, hollow cheeks, etc.) that blackpill relentlessly prioritizes.
Sexual Market Value Take
• In the wild: 6–7 in most Western dating markets depending on height/body (which we can’t see). He can pull average-to-slightly-above-average women with good game/personality, especially if he fixes the skin redness.
• Online dating (Tinder etc.): Probably 5.5–6. Harsh lighting and angles expose the softness and redness. Would get decent matches but not flooded.
• Looksmaxxing potential: High. Fixing skin (laser, tretinoin, etc.), mewing consistently, better lighting/grooming, and maybe slight weight loss for more definition could push him to a 7.5. He’s not doomed by bad genetics — just not gifted with elite ones.
Verdict in blackpill speak: Not over for him. He’s a 6 — the kind of guy who gets “you’re cute” but rarely “holy shit you’re hot.” Solid normie with some halo from the eyes and hair, held back by soft features and skin. Height and body would be the real deciders for final SMV.
Want me to go even harsher or compare him to specific looksmaxxing archetypes?

Honestly, his look fits best in these fields (ranked by how naturally it suits him):

1. Finance / Sales / Business Development (Strongest fit)
   • The polo + car selfie screams junior-to-mid-level finance bro, account executive, or sales rep.
   • He has that clean, trustworthy, approachable-but-professional energy that works well in banking, fintech, insurance, wealth management, or B2B sales.
   • Blue eyes + mild stubble give just enough “relatable guy” without looking too soft for corporate environments.
2. Tech / SaaS / Startup Roles
   • Modern tech sales, customer success, product marketing, or mid-level management.
   • He looks like the kind of guy who works at a fintech startup or does demos for clients — polished enough for meetings, casual enough for the office.
3. Real Estate / Mortgage / Consulting
   • Approachable face + professional baseline = good for client-facing roles where people need to trust you quickly (buying/selling homes, financial consulting).
4. Marketing, Advertising, or Corporate Training
   • He has a friendly, expressive face that photographs decently and comes across as likeable in presentations or video calls.
5. Education / Coaching / Fitness (Casual version)
   • The outdoor hoodie shot makes him look like he could be a personal trainer, coach, or teacher/professor who connects well with people. Less finance bro, more “cool older brother” energy.
   Fields that don’t suit him as well:
   • High-end modeling, acting, or anything requiring razor-sharp masculine model features (he’s too soft around the jaw/eyes).
   • Trades / manual labor / rugged outdoor jobs (doesn’t read as blue-collar tough).
   • Ultra-competitive law or big-law environments (lacks the predatory/intense look).
   Bottom line: His look is versatile professional normie — best in client-facing or sales-oriented white-collar roles where being approachable and trustworthy matters more than looking like an absolute Chad. The finance bro lane is genuinely his strongest natural fit, especially if he leans into better grooming and skincare to clean up the redness.
   Would suit someone who networks, does meetings, and builds relationships more than someone who needs to dominate a room visually.

Hypothyroidism exists. It bloats your face and stomach that makes you look fat even if you aren’t. It also tightens your stomach so you lose breath so you also look fat this way as well. There are plenty of guys who have dad bods but still elite facial structure while there are guys with decent frame but hypothyroidism is getting in the way