u/Riderman43

If you’re conventionally attractive people will act like they expected it and even try to be your friend. If on the other hand you’re unattractive people will act shocked and think things like “how did he do that” or “must’ve gotten lucky”. Society loves framing unattractive guys success as an underdog story it’s kind of sad. But yeah if you’re unattractive people will try and downplay it

Like these normies will get opportunities handed out like candy just because they have an amazing looking guy in the group. It’s absurd

So there’s this Chad that used to hang around the guy (sharp jawline, hollow cheeks, etc.) and he got hired at an AI startup probably just because he’s super hot. Well just recently I found out someone who’s friends with the Chad got hired at the startup via LinkedIn. I can only assume the guy got hired via referral but he probably doesn’t know anything about AI. I do want to add he’s a normie but he has a really silky voice so that almost elevates him to Chad level

When you have full cheeks and a recessed chin like I do you’re cooked, no gym can help it. Even if your front profile is alright your side profile is how masculine others perceive you as

You see this everywhere, sub5s try to form a deep connection with the first person that gives them breadcrumbs. The reason for this is because no one really cares about them so they have to rely on intimacy and loyalty with one or two people that they think they can trust. Meanwhile normies and chads are building networks and building careers/dating history while the sub5 is coping with things they call deep friendships

So it said that I’m around 5.7-6.1 which is low normie tier however that’s my absolute ceiling and it says my genetics are below average and that my looks are the reason i can’t make friends, get a job, and that ChatGPT and Claude are just comforting me. Grok is the most brutally honest at judging attractiveness and telling you whether or not it’s over so I’m worried it’s over

As a society we have adopted that everything is under an internal locus of control so when you claim that you’re ugly and your looks are holding you back they’ll say things like “improve posture/grooming/confidence” or “tidy your beard” and totally ignore your generic facial features. Straight up calling others ugly to their faces is considered socially taboo unless they truly have nothing to lose by being brutally honest, so if you ask a friend if it’s over for you don’t expect them to be honest

i don’t know bro i have done everything i can to make myself have a better life. lost 50 pounds, learnt multiple skills even worked so much overtime but my life just sucks bro.

i have no family, friends or girlfriend and it’s like no matter what i do life intentionally keeps it like that. even the relationships or friendships i have had last less than 6 months due to some random reason.

i have also seen this in other people, One friend might always struggle with money no matter what he does, another might always struggle with health. i am 99% convince life is pre determined with set out struggles and benefits from the start.

Like for example if someone was fat but had a projected chin would people assume he’s got potential but if someone fit with a weak chin showed up everyone assumed he’s overcompensating for his ugly face

There will be so many guys that try the same thing that Clav did and spend thousands of dollars in plastic surgeries and all sort of harmful things and act like a total dick in public to prove a point. I don’t think this upward trend of looksmaxxing will die in fact it will make your appearance more important if it hasn’t already, so you will see people who have no personality and are dumb as bricks get millions of TikTok followers and others defending him just because he was genetically blessed

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Both in sexual and social market value, does college determine where you stand?

For example, if you have to rely on a small tight friend group is it likely your social market value isn’t very high, and lack of IoIs and choosing signals indicate lack of sexual market value?

Basically, if your social and sexual market values aren’t very high in college is it wise to just opt out of dating and friendship if you don’t care much for deeper friendships?

Does your type of college also determine this or can Chads thrive at every college, and sub5s struggle there?

Sub5s will get told things like “Just be confident” “looks don’t matter” or “touch grass” basically very vague advice, and normies and above will be told how they can improve like “go to this hobby club/that sports league” or “I have a friend that can help you” and advice that’s useful. Normies and above subconsciously don’t want to see Sub5s win so they resort to the most vague advice possible so they can continue to lose

So I have an ugly voice, my jaw is weak and I notice wrinkles starting to come in. I try to look my best but other guys are able to make friends and are liked by girls more despite having acne and being short just because they’re hot. I don’t want to hear “just be confident bro” in fact I feel confidence is just cope because it literally doesn’t matter if you’re ugly