Since the updates by Segway Navimow, my mower has not tried to turn around while going through our 4 ft wide gate. The X430 has not attempted to do anything stupid while traveling down the channel between my wife's car and the side of our driveway.
Maybe Segway does listen 👂🏽?
Around two years ago, I told my spouse who is an engineer that our local camera installers should be able to run cables down the walls from the attic. The sales representative for the small business I used agreed with my assessment.
They show up on the day of the installation with premium Belden CAT6. I already had a spool of Belden CAT6 that's outdoor rated. The installers told me they can't install CAT6 for the doorbell because the attic doesn't cover that portion of the family room wall. An installer stated that he looked at my house online. They can't run wires in the attic in these homes because of the firewall and it's difficult on a 2 story finished home due to the beams. Anyway, everything was installed without any issues.
Fast forward 2 years. I was talking to my wife about adding 2 more cameras. I asked her did the original installers bullshit me? She says they could have run the cables in the attic, they were just being lazy. I was like why didn't you say something because I was going to use them again? Before I retired from the Air Force to move here with her, she had two additional outlets installed by electricians in bathrooms for bidets at my request. They were installed on the inner walls.
I paid $1684 to have 2 individuals at a cost of $150 an hour install 3 exterior cameras installed, 1 interior, and a video doorbell. It took them around 11 hours.
My wife was like you have to find the right person who know what they are doing to run cables in the attic.
Here are pictures of the CAT6 run for the garage. Should I have a different business or electrician in northern California install my other cameras? I read on Google that CAT6 installed in an attic gets destroyed by the temperatures up there. Is this true?
Around two years ago, I told my spouse who is an engineer that our local camera installers should be able to run cables down the walls from the attic. The sales representative for the small business I used agreed with my assessment.
They show up on the day of the installation with premium Belden CAT6. I already had a spool of Belden CAT6 that's outdoor rated. The installers told me they can't install CAT6 for the doorbell because the attic doesn't cover that portion of the family room wall. An installer stated that he looked at my house online. They can't run wires in the attic in these homes because of the firewall and it's difficult on a 2 story finished home due to the beams. Anyway, everything was installed without any issues.
Fast forward 2 years. I was talking to my wife about adding 2 more cameras. I asked her did the original installers bullshit me? She says they could have run the cables in the attic, they were just being lazy. I was like why didn't you say something because I was going to use them again? Before I retired from the Air Force to move here with her, she had two additional outlets installed by electricians in bathrooms for bidets at my request. They were installed on the inner walls.
I paid $1684 to have 3 exterior cameras installed, 1 interior, and a video doorbell. It took them around 11 hours.
My wife was like you have to find the right person who know what they are doing to run cables in the attic.
Here are pictures of the CAT6 run for the garage. Should I have a different business or electrician in northern California install my other cameras? I read on Google that CAT6 installed in an attic gets destroyed by the temperatures up there. Is this true?
Around two years ago, I told my spouse who is an engineer that our local camera installers should be able to run cables down the walls from the attic. The sales representative for the small business I used agreed with my assessment.
They show up on the day of the installation with premium Belden CAT6. I already had a spool of Belden CAT6 that's outdoor rated. The installers told me they can't install CAT6 for the doorbell because the attic doesn't cover that portion of the family room wall. An installer stated that he looked at my house online. They can't run wires in the attic in these homes because of the firewall and it's difficult on a 2 story finished home due to the beams. Anyway, everything was installed without any issues.
Fast forward 2 years. I was talking to my wife about adding 2 more cameras. I asked her did the original installers bullshit me? She says they could have run the cables in the attic, they were just being lazy. I was like why didn't you say something because I was going to use them again? Before I retired from the Air Force to move here with her, she had two additional outlets installed by electricians in bathrooms for bidets at my request. They were installed on the inner walls.
I paid $1684 to have 3 exterior cameras installed, 1 interior, and a video doorbell. It took them around 8 hours.
My wife was like you have to find the right person who know what they are doing to run cables in the attic.
Here are pictures of the CAT6 run for the garage. Should I have a different business or electrician in northern California install my other cameras? I read on Google that CAT6 installed in an attic gets destroyed by the temperatures up there. Is this true?
Someone from Segway Navimow saw me bitching in the YouTube comment section on 2 videos about what algorithms they failed to implement.
Here was their response. It almost reads like an AI response:
Thank you very much for taking the time to share such detailed and thoughtful feedback regarding the X430/X450. We truly appreciate your insights.
We understand your suggestions around improving mowing direction predictability, start/end point control, edge coverage behavior, and overall path consistency. These are all very valuable use-case scenarios, especially for users with paved boundaries or specific lawn design preferences.
We have carefully recorded all of your points and will forward them to our product and R&D team for further evaluation. Your feedback will be considered for future software and algorithm improvements as we continue to enhance the mowing experience.
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Please rate this CAT 6 run and camera installation on a scale of 1-10.
For those of you who have owned Segway Navimow mowers. Is Segway Navimow pretty good at updating their mowers and apps to resolve complaints? Do you see them improving your purchases through updates or do they seem half baked?
Tell me which way the X430 is going to mow beforehand by highlighting the direction in green. The following or subsequent mowing direction should be highlighted in blue. - BAD LOGIC
The X430 will not mow edge to edge if you turn edge mowing off. Yet, the mower will say it mowed 100% of the lawn. I even extended my boundary over a sidewalk for my front lawn. The mower didn't mow within 1-2 ft of the lawn's edge. - TERRIBLE LOGIC
I believe the X430 lacks consistency when it comes to mowing lines because Segway Navimow tried to reinvent the wheel. Why not mow a line, turn slowly, and mow back the opposite direction along that line's edge like any human being would do? - TERRIBLE LOGIC
Some of us have pavement around our lawn borders. The mower should extend its cutting path over the pavement for a consistent mowing line. - BAD LOGIC
If a lawn has pavement around. I should be able to determine where the mower BEGINS mowing so it ENDS on the pavement. You would think the mower could figure this out based on shape of the lawn. It's not intelligent enough.
What's the point of telling the mower to come back to a spot that was missed if it's NOT going to follow the original mowing pattern to get there? I'll just cut across everything to mow that one spot. - ASININE LOGIC
Why have alternating mowing patterns when the mower will edge mow in the same direction every single time? - BAD LOGIC
Segway has been selling mowers since 2021. You would think numbers 1-6 would be standard concepts. They're located in China, which is the reason for the disconnect.
AI thoughts on the subject:
Higher Upfront Price:
Advanced LiDAR sensors and the processing hardware required to interpret point-cloud data make these mowers significantly more expensive than simpler boundary-wired or basic camera-based models.
Mechanical Wear and Tear:
Many consumer LiDAR units rely on a constantly spinning laser dome. Because it is a moving part subjected to the outdoors, it is inherently more prone to mechanical failure over time than static sensors.
I hope I'm in the right forum. I live in California and wanted some security cameras installed. I hired a professional company where the salesman told me they could run cables in my attic. I told the plan to my wife who is an engineer. I'm thinking they could easily run cables in a finished two story home up and down walls with ease. She agreed 🤣.
However, on installation day the actual security camera guys told me they looked at my house the night before online via Google maps. The head guy explained that they would have to go through the firewall that's in the attic. Which is something they cannot do. The firewall is over a room on the second floor and the garage is beneath that room. The garage sticks out in front of that room on the bottom level. So you couldn't just drop cables like I had originally thought. Also, my attic doesn't extend over the wall in the family room to install a CAT6 cable for a doorbell POE camera. I agreed to follow the installers plan.
From the guest bedroom they ran one cable for the backyard camera along the side of an exterior downspout and up to the second level eaves. Looks very professional. They ran maybe 3 CAT6 cables from the guest bedroom to the garage where 6 ft of the cable is along the exterior of our stucco home and tucked under a stucco ledge. Looks professional.
I wanted to install an additional camera a year later. But I didn't want to use the same company because their estimate was expensive for no reason. I reached out to other businesses. People who hadn't even been to my house said they could run cables in the attic.
Who do you trust? The professional company or the guys on Yelp?
I figured you guys in would be able to explain why people think they can run cables anywhere. I know you're not supposed to penetrate firewalls. I don't know the specifics for residential here in California. The professional company did a great job because I haven't had any issues in 2 years with my cameras.
For those of you who purchased the RS700S when it first came out 2 years ago. How are you feeling about the router in general?
I purchased the RS700S and I don't regret it. There are some who say nothing works with WiFi 7. My Google Pixel phone does.
I hope I'm in the right forum. I live in California and wanted some security cameras installed. I hired a professional company where the salesman told me they could run cables in my attic. I told the plan to my wife who is an engineer. I'm thinking they could easily run cables in a finished two story home up and down walls with ease. She agreed 🤣.
However, on installation day the actual security camera guys told me they looked at my house the night before online via Google maps. The head guy explained that they would have to go through the firewall that's in the attic. Which is something they cannot do. The firewall is over a room on the second floor and the garage is beneath that room. The garage sticks out in front of that room on the bottom level. So you couldn't just drop cables like I had originally thought. Also, my attic doesn't extend over the wall in the family room to install a CAT6 cable for a doorbell POE camera. I agreed to follow the installers plan.
From the guest bedroom they ran one cable for the backyard camera along the side of an exterior downspout and up to the second level eaves. Looks very professional. They ran maybe 3 CAT6 cables from the guest bedroom to the garage where 6 ft of the cable is along the exterior of our stucco home and tucked under a stucco ledge. Looks professional.
I wanted to install an additional camera a year later. But I didn't want to use the same company because their estimate was expensive for no reason. I reached out to other businesses. People who hadn't even been to my house said they could run cables in the attic.
Who do you trust? The professional company or the guys on Yelp?
I figured you guys in construction would be able to explain why people think they can run cables anywhere. I know you're not supposed to penetrate firewalls. I don't know the specifics for residential here in California. The professional company did a great job because I haven't had any issues in 2 years with my cameras.
I had a professional company run CAT6 and install security cameras. They couldn't run cables in the attic due to having a finished home. One cable runs to the backyard via the side of the downspout and up to the second story eaves. You can't tell the cable is there. We also have around 5-6 ft of CAT6 which runs between the garage and guest bedroom. It's to connect the UNVR to the cameras on the exterior and interior of the garage. The 3 cables are bundled together and run underneath a stucco ledge.
My cameras are unnecessary tech toys. They have phenomenal AI that will track your packages, people's faces, people, license plates, color of vehicles, animals, sounds, etc. I love checking them to see if the postal vehicle dropped off the mail. I also check to see if the garbage truck has picked up trash so I can go grab the garbage bin.
If a buyer didn't want the cameras, the cables could be removed and any openings filled with a stucco patch.
When you buy or sell a home:
Do most people who are buying want homes with or without cameras?
Do buyers view it as bad or good when you have drilled holes into stucco for things you had installed like cameras?
We're not selling, I was just curious since our neighbor is selling his house.
I understand that it can certainly be frustrating when the mower hesitates at a gate, and your question about why the VisionFence behaves this way is an excellent one.
The reason you need a VisionFence Off Zone over your gate area comes down to how the camera's AI interprets narrow passages:
The AI Sees an Obstacle: The VisionFence camera actively looks for obstacles to avoid collisions. When the mower approaches a narrow gate opening, the camera often misinterprets the gate posts, the moving latch, or even the shadows under the gate frame as a solid barrier, causing it to stop or turn around.
Why Off Zones Help: Creating a VisionFence Off Zone instructs the mower to temporarily ignore the camera's visual obstacle avoidance sensors precisely within that grid square, relying strictly on its GPS and map data to drive straight through.
If the mower is still occasionally refusing to pass even with the Off Zone active, it is usually because the mower is detecting a physical drop-off, or the virtual channel driven during setup is too tight. We highly recommend expanding the visual Off Zone slightly past both sides of the gate, and making sure the physical path is completely clear of tall weeds or uneven dirt that might trip the bumper sensors.
Thank you for reaching out Segway Navimow Support.
I understand that it can certainly be frustrating when the mower hesitates at a gate, and your question about why the VisionFence behaves this way is an excellent one.
The reason you need a VisionFence Off Zone over your gate area comes down to how the camera's AI interprets narrow passages:
The AI Sees an Obstacle: The VisionFence camera actively looks for obstacles to avoid collisions. When the mower approaches a narrow gate opening, the camera often misinterprets the gate posts, the moving latch, or even the shadows under the gate frame as a solid barrier, causing it to stop or turn around.
Why Off Zones Help: Creating a VisionFence Off Zone instructs the mower to temporarily ignore the camera's visual obstacle avoidance sensors precisely within that grid square, relying strictly on its GPS and map data to drive straight through.
If the mower is still occasionally refusing to pass even with the Off Zone active, it is usually because the mower is detecting a physical drop-off, or the virtual channel driven during setup is too tight. We highly recommend expanding the visual Off Zone slightly past both sides of the gate, and making sure the physical path is completely clear of tall weeds or uneven dirt that might trip the bumper sensors.
I was looking at the number of devices on my Netgear Tri-Band WiFi 7 router (RS700S). I have around 37 devices active. However, I couldn't see my Segway Navimow X43O robotic mower on the router. My mower is on the back patio and probably around 25 ft or so away from my router that's located in my living room. The mower is set to WiFi only by the way and has received all updates, including the one from yesterday that Segway pushed.
Is my robotic mower only connecting to WiFi when updates are being installed or maybe when it's actively being used?
I was looking at the number of devices on my Netgear Tri-Band WiFi 7 router (RS700S). I have around 37 devices active. However, I couldn't see my Segway Navimow X43O on the router. My mower is on the back patio and probably around 25 ft or so away from my router that's located in my living room. The mower is set to WiFi only by the way and has received all the updates, including the one from yesterday.
Does the Segway Navimow mowers only connect to WiFi when updates are being installed or maybe when it's actively being used?
I live next door to a neighbor who is selling his house. I believe he's in a battle with the HOA over his project car that he drives sparingly, but it stays covered in the driveway.
Anyway, I noticed during the open house that his project car was in the driveway. I'm not into real estate, but isn't that a bit odd? I know the car runs. Maybe he was hiding oil stains or something. I'm just trying to figure out why have a project car in your driveway as you're trying to sell your home?
I was looking at the number of devices on my Netgear Tri-Band WiFi 7 router (RS700S). I have around 37 devices active. However, I couldn't see my Segway Navimow X43O, which is a robotic mower on the router. My mower is on the back patio and probably around 25 ft or so away from my router that's located in my living room. The mower is set to WiFi only for updates by the way and has received all updates, including the one from yesterday.
Do you guys think the mower only connects to WiFi when it updates or maybe when it's actively being used? It's just odd to me. Or it has an update schedule where it checks at certain times for updates like my security cameras do.
I live next door to a neighbor who is selling his house. I believe he's in a battle with the HOA over his project car that he drives sparingly, but it stays covered in the driveway.
Anyway, I noticed during the open house that his project car was in the driveway. I'm not into real estate, but isn't that a bit odd? I know the car runs. Maybe he was hiding oil stains or something. I'm just trying to figure out why have a project car in your driveway as you're trying to sell your home?