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Jimmy from Moutwashing or The Deep from The Boys?

Jimmy or The Deep from The Boys?

Don't get me wrong, I'm sure there's gonna be those diehard Jax haters who just wanted him dead and will be celebrating his abstraction. But I know most of the fanbase will be disappointed.

Jax abstracting is the easy way out. His entire character is depicted as someone who runs from consequences and his true self. Jax wanted to abstract so he could be with his friends again. Fans of Jax wanted him to grow and begin the process of healing. MOST haters of Jax said they'd rather he simply be called out by someone and forced to take accountability for his actions, seeing abstraction as both the easy way out and a fate excessive even for him.

Instead, neither happens and we just get "the suicidal character ends their life in the finale offscreen". Pretty much all of Jax's backstory are things fans already guessed/knew, oh Ribbit was a close friend that he pushed away, he probably had a falling-out with Kaufmo, its implied he used to be friends with Ragatha, etc. The only actually new thing we learned was what he was running from in the real world, thinking he might've accidentally killed his mom. Sure you could say it shows the message of "you can lead a horse to water but can't make it drink" as Alex Rochan said (only save those who want to be saved), but that could've been shown to us via Jax pushing them away and then isolating in episode 7 or from Caine's ending too. But Caine just gets revived somehow and has a redemption in the last few minutes, but Jax simply abstracts and that's it. Goose basically validated the complaints of the series being "the Jax show" and it was for nothing because his ending doesn't leave either side satisfied.

When Gooseworx said "I think Jax fans will still love him and haters will still hate him by the end", I thought it was showing he wouldn't become the final villain like many thought but also wouldn't get a full redemption arc either. I never expected it just be "I'm going to abstract him early on and then spend most of the film focusing on his backstory". Its incredible how he's alleged favorite character but she managed to give him the most unsatisfying conclusion

To be completely clear, only a handful of leaks are out so far and maybe the full finale could change my opinion towards positive. But the leaks we do have are the most important parts of it and its a mixed bag. Obvious spoilers are below, be wa

To specify, the SOMA theory, to nobody's surprise, is confirmed. The characters are indeed digital copies/brain scans of real people and there is no escape. The cats get to see their old selves in the real world. It ends with them staying in the circus, eating dinner just like in first episode but this time Pomni is happy.

I'm fine with this. Gooseworx said the meaning of the show is "there's meaning to be found in a stagnant life". Having them escape would contradict that. The message is how connecting with each other is what helps you survive.

But there are two things I do have issue with are Jax and Caine's conclusions. Both fans and haters of Jax will feel validated from what happens with his character in this episode. Jax abstracting has been teased since episode 6 but that doesn't mean its good writing. Having the 2nd main character, who explicitly has been confirmed as suicidal, choose to end his life in the finale feels so weird. What's even the point of having Pomni save him from abstracting in episode 7 when he just abstracts anyways? I get the Ted parallels and tbf, his ending somehow manages to NOT be a complete downer but its off-putting.

And then Caine just coming back at the end and letting the players have power feels like a cop-out. Caine's entire character was a tragedy, his final scene was tragically fitting end for someone who always wanted to matter, just being deleted out. So for him to come back and go "I'll let you guys have control now" makes episode 8 lose a lot of weight in retrospect. "I didn't ask to be created! I just wanted to fullfil my purpose!" Perfect final words and then he just comes back at the very end anyways. Overall, I don't think the ending is a complete trash but I do wish these two things were different.

Edit: Nevermind, I watched the full leaked movie and yeah guys, that was hot TRASH. I feel so betrayed for having ever watched this series. Literally majority of the movie is Pomni going through Jax’s memories after he abstracts offscreen (only her willing to do so) only for him to abstract at the end anyways and then pull him into the tent like a dog. And then Caine somehow comes back and gives them admin powers. It was genuinely awful.

He was indeed the best part of season 5. He laughed at the end because he knew the show died alongside him. True cause death; back broke from carrying the series since season 4.

Negan or A-Train from The Boys?

Not even just about lacking the ability to control their minds (and probably the fact HE removed their names). But on rewatch, its so blatantly obvious he's lying through his teeth (pun intended) when he says, "I made the exit for you guys but didn't ever get to finish it." You can tell when he lies when he starts looking away and touching his face, he does similar in "Beach Episode" when he claims he doesn't have an adventure planned for them. Its pretty clear he didn't want them to figure out they also have the ability to conjure and create things as Pomni did the door. Episode 7 makes you think that it was simply part of the unfinished "escape" adventure (when Abel was the only actual set-up for that) but in actuality, as Jax says, Caine constantly lies to them.

Not even just about lacking the ability to control their minds (and probably the fact HE removed their names). But on rewatch, its so blatantly obvious he's lying through his teeth (pun intended) when he says, "I made the exit for you guys but didn't ever get to finish it." You can tell when he lies when he starts looking away and touching his face, he does similar in "Beach Episode" when he claims he doesn't have an adventure planned for them. Its pretty clear he didn't want them to figure out they also have the ability to conjure and create things as Pomni did the door. Episode 7 makes you think that it was simply part of the unfinished "escape" adventure (when Abel was the only actual set-up for that) but in actuality, as Jax says, Caine constantly lies to them.

There's no mention of The Deep in here but we know Starlight is most likely going to kill him. I'm happy to know Sage will die. Also seems Butcher will indeed die too unliek what we initially heard. I wonder which member of The Boys is taking one for the team, I fear its MM but hope its Kimiko.

Edit: I forgot two posts, to sumamrize; Maria appears and almost dies but she survives and is a reason for Homelande being depowed alongside Kimiko and Butcher kills Homelander with the crow bar.

Nick and Jax from The Amazing Digital Circus